Of course not, what are they going to do? Threaten to not sell the game here at all?

What IS GOGs fault is the fact they chose to not openly announce that the feature was unavailable to buyers of their version, and rather wait for people to find out themselves after they've already crossed the refund policy's line.
ah ya ninja'd me lol

I can understand the rationale, sort off - but still, someones reasons for checking out a demo are so varied. From is the gameplay interesting, to can I run it, with a lot in between. Wish they'd simply put a really big disclaimer at the beginning of the demo in bold big letters explaining that it's no longer developed. But alas. There's probably people out there that'd complain.

Thought it was / is a pity that demo releases of games ceased at one point; and from what I remember back when they were more frequent they rarely got an update, either.

Well thats some sort of a fix but I assume that either people wont use Steam just because of map editor or they will trade the key .

Anyway I hope the game is mod-friendly and modders provide something for the "DRM-free peasants" .

making is totally modding. anybody would consider a map a mod. a map is mod. maps are one of the most common mods.

you are a modding the game. with a custom map. and the game is modded, to include this map, along with or instead of the other maps.

but hang on now I think I see what you're saying. if you mean map maker in the game, then yeah that's not modding. I was thinking more along the lines of a mapping tool sanctioned by the developers like with UT and CK and that.

but you know even if you use an in-game map tool, that still qualifies as modding. just not really feeling like it is but I guess it is.

Using a built in map editor is not modding - you do not modify the game.

Doing a total overhaul, or creating new maps for a game without editor is modding - you are modifying the game.



Yes!

no, as you are not modifying anything, you are using the software exactly as intended. The only way you can stretch this argument, is if you take the original maps, and change them in the provided tool... but then it is still just a modified map, and I will still not count it as actually modding the game, as this is still part of using the game/software as intended.

yeah I would agree. it's not really modding if it's in the in-game mapmaker. and pardon my annoying flash edits :D

flash edit go!

nah can't agree there. I think that's a level of specificity and fine-tuned control that just can't be ignored and weights the yardstick towards measuring the thing a mod. I guess it comes down to how complex the tool is. I mean with tools like UT and CK you could make use own textures, combine models, deform and scale base assets, do different things. even if it's just a mapmaker I think that if it's on the level of something like we had for UT or Elder Scrolls, it's a mod.



I cannot believe Frozenbyte actually stuck with that price thing.

you guys are the fucking greatest.

I mean maybe they would leave themselves open to liabilities but I mean you can't have thought they would have thought the game would go under $20.

unless it's much shorter than I think.

anyway for being so cheap even though I don't particularly like the game I'm gonna get it. Frozenbyte you are good a developer. I consider top level indie darling like SuperGiant, everyone should buy this game, because they rewarded the players for playing good at it with a lower price.

^^ and when I posted this bit I didn't realize this was the same thread!

flash edits ahoy!

I hope that too.
Anyway I don't buy games on steam... But I don't mind use steam if necessary and I don't need to buy anything. Also if there is a drm free game on steam that is not on gog I don't mind consider to buy it. Just when I pay I want drm free and cross platform (Mac and Linux)

Also using the steam version I can understand if you can use "mods map" on gog version

The Editor is not just a Level Editor. It looks like there's quite a bit you can do with it (it even has scripting).

Check out the wiki page: http://frozenbyte.com/wiki/index.php/Editor

So I'm really upset that GOG users are being denied this tool. I just hope the Dev's realize how unfair it is and release the Editor for us as well.

Honestly, I don't care if I can't play Steam Workshop mods. I'd just like the opportunity to create my own.

I have several story ideas in mind. But they're not of much use if I can't use the Editor :(

A maintained demo would be nice of course, but that beta build seemed pretty close to what ended up final. IMO it's still a good representation of the final game. The only problem with it is it kinda drops you into it with no tutorial or explanations, maybe they thought that would turn people off.

Just seems like a waste to me, the demo is what made me purchase on release day, something I almost never do.

You'll probably still be able to use mods. They'll just have to be acquired differently and installed manually, like the other games here that use Steam Workshop (Shadowrun).

Steam Workshop is a cancer. It's not necessary and just another hook Valve sinks into developers and users.

There's no good reason why they shouldn't be able to provide a DRM-free version of the editor; if the editor is tied into Steam so much that a standalone version can't easily be made (with the user being responsible for packaging & uploading stuff to ModDB, Nexus etc.) then it's a case of poor design and planning and shows a lack of respect for the non-Steam users.

This kind of thing is bad for us, GOG and gaming in general and I'm not going to support it.

What?! This is bad.. you're basically selling an inferior version here : (
Can't you just disable the "Workshop sharing" part for Gog?

P.S: Gog has special accounts for devs, you should ask them one.

Well, as I said, the workaround helps (there is even newer one in Jessie as well). Developers seem to be mixed up with this, because they are using both libpng 1.2 and libpng 1.6:

ldd shadwen_linux_64bit
...
libpng16.so.16 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16 (0x00007f40e39e0000)
...

ldd shadwen_linux_launcher_64bit
...
libpng12.so.0 => not found
libpng16.so.16 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16 (0x00007fde81f8b000)
....

I.e. they are even using 1.6 in the same binary! So they as well can simply drop 1.2 and switch to 1.6 everywhere.

Yes, I fully agree. It's a pity the practice of releasing demos became so rare.

Just as you are free to do this, I am free to stop supporting Frozenbyte releases and encourage others to do the same. I thank you for posting this bit of information, but it should really be in the press release and on the store page as well. I will be inquiring with GOG support to do just that.

Hmmm I realize it's probably not easy to disconnect the Editor from the Workshop but making it Workshop only in the first place is a horrible idea.
Your basically just helping steam monopolize and push through their agenda on what is acceptable even more.

Can you at least make Steam workshop optional? If it's a linking problem, you can make a stub which does nothing for those Steam functions. Many would appreciate if you'd avoid this Steam monoculture which is unfortunately very dominant because of Steam's size.