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ZFR: Scene, agreed about your A. That's also a possibility.
Hey that's my A! I said that A ages ago!


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Sorry I've been busy everybody!


My reason for choosing Pooka was that our last government worked, he nominated me when there wasn't much need to, and didn't snake me so I have good feeling for Pooka.


BUT ZFR and scene have been doing some convincing me and I think it sounds logical and I'm curious to see what comes of it so I think I'll nominate supplementscene.

Like this.

Nominate supplementscene


My current crazy theory is that Fish forgot to put any F roles in the game. Let's win this He-Said-With-Mounting-Dread
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ZFR: Scene, agreed about your A. That's also a possibility.
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JoeSapphire: Hey that's my A! I said that A ages ago!

Sorry I've been busy everybody!
Stop fighting kids, everyone can have their turn at sussing me.
And you're forgiven this time. Just don't do it again.

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JoeSapphire: BUT ZFR and scene have been doing some convincing me and I think it sounds logical and I'm curious to see what comes of it so I think I'll nominate supplementscene.

Like this.

Nominate supplementscene
See, now you just put me in a conflicted position. I'm not sure whether I vote JA for Scene who I've been slightly leaning Liberal or NEIN you who I had pegged as fascist but I'm not that sure.

I'm almost flipping a coin.


Also I just noticed this does put Scene in that "power play" position we discussed back when my nominating Dedo would have been bad. I extra hope Scene is liberal now.
No time to read and write anything I'd call "sensible" at the moment. And I'm really sleepy now, sorry for my grammar and such. Perhaps tomorrow?

bucktoothgamer - certainly more time and posts are required for a substitute player.

Dedoporno, ZFR and Joppo - in my opinion they generated the most sane and logical posts (except that ZFR"s trust in Scene mentioned above), those alone can't define the probability of their role. I will get back to you.

Joe's change of Chancellor nominee to Scene and that ZFR expressed trust into Scene just a few posts before that - how peculiar. Also I was not amused at how Joe first decided to vote and analyze to *manipulate* the elections.
Joe's quote: "No wait, we should voting no to this government shouldn't we?"
"Yesterday I thought it was best to vote no and let people vote however they want to get the best judge of the table, but now I'm worried that people will just vote yes and let a bad government get through."

Scene - voted NO for the government with Scene in it, how come? I get why Scene voted NO, most probably he was not expecting a win. Still this is not how I expected Scene to vote, and it almost looks like Scene was afraid to look bad in the public eye. I would vote YES for the government with me in it knowing perfectly well how I want to contribute to the good cause.

Maxleod's eagerness to vote Liberal policy and even a personal request to Joe for a Chancellor seat - even more peculiar. I gather that most players suspect Maxleod of being a Fascist. If it's the case than does it mean that choosing Scene for the government automatically makes him more Liberal or more Fascist? If it's not the case

GR - No idea, seems like a good guy, but nothing solid to even suspect him of anything. Is it strange for GR to be like GR? Unfortunately no ;)

Pooka - Wherefore art thou, my sweet Pookina? ;)

Night-night

P.S. Cast my vote to Micro
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JoeSapphire: Nominate supplementscene

My current crazy theory is that Fish forgot to put any F roles in the game. Let's win this He-Said-With-Mounting-Dread
Noted

I wish I had thought of that, he-said-with-mounting-excitement!
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joppo: A player who tries "winning alone" might not even be fascist-aligned, but they're certainly not a team player for the liberals. Like a football player who decides they will get the ball near their own goal, dribble past the whole opponent team and carry the ball past the enemy goalkeeper to score every chance they get......
"Just like the Dimmsdale Ballhogs...." the Inspector says, before continuing ".....by the by, does anyone else have a craving for blubber nuggets right now?"
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supplementscene: Sorry for my lack of participation today and yesterday. I've not been feeling well at all and as such haven't felt up to posting. Anyway hopefully haven't messed up multiple quoting.
Being in a similar boat(been sick recently and busy with IRL as well), just wanted to say that I hope ya feel better soon.
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JoeSapphire: BUT ZFR and scene have been doing some convincing me and I think it sounds logical and I'm curious to see what comes of it so I think I'll nominate supplementscene.

Like this.

Nominate supplementscene
"Ey......I also suggested scene as well!" Gregson says with a slight grumble, before grinning to show there's no hard feelings

Silliness above aside, off to vote I go....wheeeeeee!

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JoeSapphire: My current crazy theory is that Fish forgot to put any F roles in the game. Let's win this He-Said-With-Mounting-Dread
So you're suggesting we're all L, and the only F are those we imagine along the way? ;D
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JoeSapphire: Nominate supplementscene
Hm, I'd like to support your government and I would also like to get scene tested but he comes up right away again... I have to think about it for a moment.
I do think that Scene voting no on the govt he himself was nominated for leans more liberal in my mind. I do have concerns though that this govt would lead to him having his hand in the cookie jar back to back. Yes more people being tested is always a good thing, but at this stage in the game the pooka nomination would have been a more comfortable choice for me.
Why is the back to back such a bad thing?

Obviously if there is a conflict we pass over him. And if there isn't, then it would be good to have a president next who passed an L already.

I mean what kind of extra power does this exactly give him? He's chancellor in this one, so he can't exactly hide an L without outing himself to Joe.

Myself and dedo played almost back to back to. How is this much different?
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supplementscene: Sorry for my lack of participation today and yesterday. I've not been feeling well at all and as such haven't felt up to posting. Anyway hopefully haven't messed up multiple quoting.

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joppo: Just a bit of history for you: I watched the previous game of Secret hitler a while ago...[/url].
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supplementscene: It's been a year but from recollection that first deck only provided 4 Liberal policies. I think the fascists said they had about 2 silent drops from recollection
Your memory failed you. I just checked and only GR hid an L before the reshuffle. The other L was discarded in a previous FLL government.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/secret_hitler_3_beyond_stardom/post769

Hope you're feeling better now.

Dang. I gotta vote...
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ZFR: Why is the back to back such a bad thing?
I've been told this isn't a good idea numerous times by friends who have played this game a whole lot more than myself so it's something I've kind of accepted as a general rule of thumb. Obviously we'll skip over Scene if a conflict arises but maybe it won't. Maybe both of them claim FFF. Do we skip him then or do we take Joe's word for it?
After some consideration I realize that, much as I want to see Scene enter office, maybe Joe is not a good presidential choice for liberals.


I was looking back at when he and Pooka took office (#515) it was the narrowest election 6-4. The NO votes were ZFR, Scene and me, plus GR. (GR didn't give a good reason for his vote, so I'll just ignore that for now.)

I had made it obvious that I was vote NO. ZFR and Scene had expressed degrees of concern too. So if this government were composed of two liberals wouldn't the fascists try to pile up and shoot it down? (This assumes both ZFR and Scene are liberals which so far I think is a reasonable assumption)

So if my assumption is true, there is at least one fascist in Joe + Pooka. I already presented this hypothesis in #521, but so far I was thinking of F!Pooka and any Joe. But I'm starting to consider it is possible we had L!Pooka * + F/H!Joe . ZFR presented his theory in #667 that it is improbable that Pooka silently dropped an L despite having the chance. But Joe did not have that chance.

* Hitler Pooka is also a possibility, tho.

What do you guys think?

It also rubbed me the wrong way back when Joe expressed his suspicions of me running with theories that he himself admitted were unlikely. But I dunno, it also reminds me that Town!Joe is a bit like that so I won't say is is definitely AI.
Screw it, let's see what happens. I voted in favor.
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ZFR: Why is the back to back such a bad thing?
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dedoporno: I've been told this isn't a good idea numerous times by friends who have played this game a whole lot more than myself so it's something I've kind of accepted as a general rule of thumb.
I think that's the case at the beginning of the game. When the game just started and you have 0 info about anything.