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That should be capital eff Fascist.
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JoeSapphire: ZFR, are you fascist?
You caught me.
I refuse to believe it!
(Please bump if anyone is there) Sorry I haven't participated much. I wrote a post yesterday but it wouldn't post because I'd messed the quotes up.

Hopefully we can pass the 4th Liberal policy. But let's consider the possibility Joe either conflicts me or claims FFF. This makes him a quite likely fascist (sorry Joe). Should he be disqualified from investigating our most Liberal players who IMO are ZFR and Dedo? Should the table agree the next investigation candidate rather than the investigator?

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joppo: After some consideration I realize that, much as I want to see Scene enter office, maybe Joe is not a good presidential choice for liberals.

I was looking back at when he and Pooka took office (#515) it was the narrowest election 6-4. The NO votes were ZFR, Scene and me, plus GR. (GR didn't give a good reason for his vote, so I'll just ignore that for now.)

I had made it obvious that I was vote NO. ZFR and Scene had expressed degrees of concern too. So if this government were composed of two liberals wouldn't the fascists try to pile up and shoot it down? (This assumes both ZFR and Scene are liberals which so far I think is a reasonable assumption)

So if my assumption is true, there is at least one fascist in Joe + Pooka. I already presented this hypothesis in #521, but so far I was thinking of F!Pooka and any Joe. But I'm starting to consider it is possible we had L!Pooka * + F/H!Joe . ZFR presented his theory in #667 that it is improbable that Pooka silently dropped an L despite having the chance. But Joe did not have that chance.

* Hitler Pooka is also a possibility, tho.

What do you guys think?

It also rubbed me the wrong way back when Joe expressed his suspicions of me running with theories that he himself admitted were unlikely. But I dunno, it also reminds me that Town!Joe is a bit like that so I won't say is is definitely AI.
I think there were 2 groups. Those that trusted ZFR after passing a Liberal policy and wanted to skip to him. And those that thought Pooka was a fair President. I did question some of Pooka's chat also. The votes may have been alignment specific or they may not have been. Consider that ZFR is fascist and Pooka is Liberal - ZFR doesn't want Pooka to gain credit. Then suppose Pooka is fascist and ZFR is Liberal, in turn fascists want Pooka to play. But in turn consider both are Liberal. Fascists would vote against Pooka after a Liberal ZFR suggests skipping Pooka.

Either way Joe was ZFR's choice for Chancellor. So the people who voted No for Pooka-Joe likely vote yes for ZFR-Joe. That was my intention at least. Joe has now played a Liberal policy. My perspective is different to yours as I don't have the power of investigation you had. So my POV any of Dedo, Pooka, ZFR and Joe can be fascist or liberal. I don't want to lock any of them out of power just because any can be Liberal.

My current most Liberal on chat and government would be ZFR>Dedo>Joe........>Pooka

So I lean towards Joe being Liberal and if he is or isn't.

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ZFR: I don't see him having the chance of being president and dropping an L in the next deck.
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maxleod: Can we at least agree that we want a fourth L policy enacted? Besides, from my POV, both Joe and Scene seem NAI so far, just vote Yes. Or No. Do what you want. Just vote so that we can advance.
Depends if you're Liberal or Fascist
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supplementscene: (Please bump if anyone is there) Sorry I haven't participated much. I wrote a post yesterday but it wouldn't post because I'd messed the quotes up.
bump
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JoeSapphire: ZFR, are you fascist?
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ZFR: You caught me.
Come on don't be that way. You can just be honest.

How cool would it be if a Fascist got seduced to the Liberal agenda?
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joppo: After some consideration I realize that, much as I want to see Scene enter office, maybe Joe is not a good presidential choice for liberals.
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ZFR: I agree that one of Joe Pooka could be F. Fascist-Pooka Hitler!Joe is also a possibility.

If you're unsure about a president, this is the time to vote them. With the end of a deck and a good estimate of the number of L cards.

Assume Joe is fascist.
If he gets FFL, he either has
a) to pass a Liberal policy.
b) Claim FFF, which greatly reduces his credibility, since as I said of 5 presidents, the first four were less likely to lie.
c) Enter a conflict with scene.

All three are not bad for liberals. We either get another L, or expose/sus a fascist.

Compare this with a fascist president on a new deck with only 2 or 3 L cards. He can easily hide behind an FFF claim and his credibility wouldn't be affected as much since FFF is actually quite likely.
You're making the assumption I'm Liberal in that scenario. I'm not, Joe and I are both fascists who have used our nefarious powers to peek at Microfishes deck. There's 2 bloody Liberal Cards in the next hand there and we will stop at nothing to rid the world of them. We need a fascist double team to dispose of them together. And we would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling Liberals.

In all seriousness yes a conflict is good in a 6v4 scenario. Because we have the possibility to get 2 confirmed Liberals. It doesn't really help in 5v4 or 4v3 scenario. Because you can have 3 conflicts and 1 confirmed Liberal and a very difficult solve for the confirmed Liberal.

The only way it really helps is if let us say Joe is Liberal and I am Fascist. Joe tests me and I as a fascist conflict him. Then based on deck count you have the ability to semi-solve the conflict.

@Pooka heads up in case you didn't get it, the first paragraph was a joke
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supplementscene: Either way Joe was ZFR's choice for Chancellor.
That's interesting I'd forgotten that.

So ZFR wanted pooka to nom joe, but wanted joe to not nom pooka. Is that the situation we're in now? Is this what life is for us?
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supplementscene: Either way Joe was ZFR's choice for Chancellor.
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JoeSapphire: That's interesting I'd forgotten that.

So ZFR wanted pooka to nom joe, but wanted joe to not nom pooka. Is that the situation we're in now? Is this what life is for us?
No ZFR wanted to skip Pooka and nominate Joe. So he's asked for Pooka to be skipped twice. Do you think this is bad for Pooka's self esteem and do you think it's because ZFR is my co-fascist? Alongside yourself who is our Hitler, wink, wink.

Do I need to tell @pooka I jest? I'm unsure. I remember playing with Zeogold and he actually said 'I'm Hitler again' as getting the actual Hitler role LOL
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Microfish_1: In case you folks didn't hear, Joe Nominated Scene as Foreman, please send in your votes accordingly.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Zeogold for closing up the last phase when my finger was inflamed such that it was painful to type!

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PookaMustard: ping
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Microfish_1: HEY! It's been 4 days!

Don't make me break out the movie quotes on you!
Yeah, I fucking suck at keeping track of the game lol.

It's better to just request a sub and have someone who is more active get my seat instead. I was excited to play this game, but you can all see how committed I am to the game. Heh.

I'll play until a sub is found though. But until then:

Joe-Scene...well I remember it being another government. I should check out the fate of that one first.
There's a grain of truth in every joke.
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ZFR: You caught me.
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JoeSapphire: Come on don't be that way. You can just be honest.
...

How did you know I wasn't?
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JoeSapphire: Come on don't be that way. You can just be honest.
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ZFR: ...

How did you know I wasn't?
You were used sarcasm to avoid answering. Whether that's technically true or not, it's not an honest way of engaging with the question.
Oooookay so Joe nominated Scene. I realized that Scene is also the next president. I have a good feeling both of them are liberal, but do we trust Scene that much to have him report two card draws in a row? I don't think so myself.

You know what I'm thinking? Vote this government in, skip scene's government. See what Cadaver does and vote accordingly. I think it's a fair course of action.
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PookaMustard: I have a good feeling both of them are liberal, but do we trust Scene that much to have him report two card draws in a row? I don't think so myself.
Why is reporting two cards in a row different to having a goverment in between?

Does the reshuffle after this government make a difference?

(Is it advantageous to be the president after a reshuffle?)