ah yes I forgot that passing an F policy isn't necessarily the end of the world, that there can be positives to the F policy being passed as well.

BUT we can expect conflicts as you'd expect LFF to come up more than LLF to.

and LLF coming up means certain chance of FFF coming up, IIRC

so with the danger zone approaching it might still be better to force the L through and leave the testing to the presidents with the wherewithal to draw LFF

I'm not totally sure, but it is an option in the menu. if there is an even number of players, and all-but-one vote, than yes, it is a no, I'd think.

In a game with an odd number of players, it would be just "refusing to be the tie-breaker"

Or maybe it's an option equally for a game in which a player is forced to drop out and there is no sub.

looks like IDNRC

If LLF comes up once you're not guaranteed FFF

If LLL comes up you are, or two LLFs come.

That "refusal" is still an effective No. So not a refusal.

That's not exactly correct. The way I see the options is this:

1. Pres passes 2 L; Chance enacts L; You can't trust Chance because he didn't pass the L by choice.
2.1. Pres passes L+F; Chance enacts L; You can't trust Chance because he may have faked it for the sake of appearances.
2.2. Pres passes L+F; Chace enacts F; You no longer trust Chance because the committed treason.

Option 1 guarantees you can't trust Chance yet. Option 2 at least has the possibility of outing an F.


And Lift already explained the same but I'm not deleting it.

Also, the passed F allows a usage of a special power, right?

Fair point and agreed

K

Btw, is the above feeling just gut feeling, or do you have more reasons to suspect them? Also do you suspect anyone else atm...if so, then who and why?
(pardon if you already answered these...I tend to skim sometimes and also forget other times what people have previously said. If you already answered such things, point to your post/posts where you did so and I will read them)

This seems like a good idea.
(also what is a goverment? Is that like a gullivermint? :))

Any thing that happened clued you into anyone's alignment? What do you say about my pick for government? Or about the conflict of ideas between Scene and Lift?

I'd like to hear more from you. You had only a post so far, close to the beginning of the game. Lots of things have happened since.

Yes if everyone votes in the same way, this would be the logical conclusion. And it's not ideal. I usually play with pre-ordered meta, which eliminates fascists picking fellow fascists to play policies with. In the absense of this, only voting for governments I'm involved with was my logical way of stopping fascists from doing this. If successful it also let's me play cards, which strengthens my sides chances of winning.

If your government does pass I will probably consider you and your Chancellor pick Liberal by the way. Because all Liberals won't vote the same way as me but all fascists may vote down a government of 2 Liberals.

@joppo I wish we could edit posts, the above should read 'If your government does not pass I will probably consider you and your Chancellor pick Liberal by the way. Because all Liberals won't vote the same way as me but all fascists may vote down a government of 2 Liberals.'

That wasn't my question but we'd have a degree of trust to the chancellor playing the liberal policy

My question was, we have a conflict with the following parameters:

A) The President claims he received BBR (2 Liberal Policies and 1 Fascist)
B) The Chancellor claims he received RR (2 Fascist policies)
C) On the end of the deck count we only have 4-5 Liberal policies accounted for

In this event do we consider the President to be the very likely Liberal in the conflict? We then can use him as a Chancellor in Hitler zone

Hear more from me? You must be jest, you can't want to hear more from me since I have not spoken anything (game related) unless of course we count my introductory post about lack of rules knowledge base and something unspecified resting time. I'm afraid that I can't procure anything spectacular since I haven't been around all this time (really sorry for that).

Allow me to bear (in mind) a few more (a couple more) hours and I assure you I would be most pleased to satisfy your deepest desires the best way possible.

Cheers,
Yours truly

P.S. This is the second time I visit this thread.

@Mod
How much time? I need moar time, all the time in the world!

1 > 0

Then you should visit the thread more. Also, how do you know what joppo's deepest desires are?

But if you haven't cast your vote yet, please do so. It's the first proposed government, so it should be voted into office so that we can start testing people. Unless you have a good reason to mistrust both Joppo and Maxleod.

Voting NO on the first proposed government can only have one of three reasons:
1. you seriously mistrust one or both of the players due to how they behaved.
2. you are a selfish player who tries to resort to blackmail and doesn't vote YES unless he is nominated himself.
3. you are a Fascist and all your buddies are towards the end of the line, so you have to prevent some governments to have a chance to get one of you into office.

So the decision what to vote should be easy.