That does not surprise me in the least - for the most part we tend to follow whatever trends are set by the USA, whether good or bad. Though lately it seems the worse ideas are adopted faster while the better ideas are resisted harder - that could be my imagination though (i.e. confirmation bias etc.).

The spicy takes of people who don't understand things, but enjoy getting mad about them all the same.
Oh no, he's gonna say the n word!

No but seriously though, you're the asshole here; if you don't pick up on that. Make this about any other group of people, racial minorities or religious groups, anything like that and you sound exactly like a neo-nazi ranting about jews. Nobody is saying you have to suck a dick to prove you're not homophobic; but like all bigots throughout history you probably view this as some slippery slope where today we have to not be repulsed at the thought of these people and tomorrow we have to be them or we're off to the camps.

I mean gayness is natural, it's observed within the natural world in many species, if anyone is being unnatural it's the quote unquote traditionalists (yeah, it's nazism with a more PC label) who have to make up some past natural glorious state that never really existed then cry, scream, and bawl their eyes out that we don't live in that.

You go ahead and fight however you can, because your almost certainly limited to spending 10+ hours a day on forums obsessively posting about the fall of western civilization or some nonsense. It's quite unimpressive really, never met anyone who was so obsessed with all this stuff that had any semblance of a life to speak of. What are the odds you're a NEET? Pretty high IMO.
I'm sorry but I can just smell the "i'm an enlightened high schooler who knows everything about everything because I read through a few articles on wikipedia about this or that" from here.

Did you guys all swarm here from some retarded youtuber audience? All these things all of you are saying sound like some No Bullshit or Sargon level takes.

Tell that to August Ames.
Interspecies sex, poligamy and cannibalism are also observed in many species. By your logic they're natural too.

Okay one random person with no power who you people choose to blow way out of proportion because confirmation bias said that. My larger point stands, and there''s no need to be pedantic unless you seriously get triggered about what random powerless people think.

Except I AM a random powerless person. And I don't want to end up like August Ames.

Oh, had to google that; mixed up one over hyped story reactionaries obsess over to prove themselves correct with another over hyped story reactionaries obsess over to prove themselves correct.

Here's this for a thesis statement: Society will NEVER become such that you will be bullied into suicide because you don't suck a dick. That's such an outlandish possibility you should honestly reconsider everything that lead you to think that was even possible, including who it is you trust to give you baseless rampant speculation they present as news or whatever. Not being grossed out by gay people or a giant jerk to trans people is not an unfair burden for you or anyone to shoulder. And in fact if you're so worried about people ending up like August Ames how about you challenge the culture that has lead to far more suicides, homophobia and transphobia kills.

Or are you going to arbitrarily draw the line of who you are and aren't sympathetic for based on if they're in the same random groups as you are? Or perhaps honestly you don't care about that issue at all, you have your beliefs and you'll find evidence to make them seem right? Either way if you're like that whatever, I'm well aware of the fact that sociopaths don't respond to empathy and reactionaries are mostly running on illogical emotions, chiefly fear and anger, just please don't dress up your bigotry as you being an innocent normal person afraid of a society gone mad.

Well, I'm doing that right now. I'm challenging YOUR culture that leads to distruction of families, relationships, quality media (because today people are hired based on their ideological background and not talent) and occasional suicides.

Online mobs bully and harrass people for not conforming to your idiological views and many companies cater to that harrassment by fireing and prersecuting those who became targets of such "social justice" action. And you're complicit in that, because you refuse to acknowledge that fact. The fact I PERSONALLY witnessed on several occasions (though none of them drove me or other guy to suicide).

So, yeah. Westerns society has indeed gone mad. The only thing I agree is that it is indeed an outlandish thing - to be shamed for being white, male or straight. And the fact that this was achieved speaks volumes about hypocricy and bigotry of such people as you, who deny reality and rationality in favor of ideology.

"You people"!? What do you mean, YOU PEOPLE?!?
It seems the one making the most biased assumptions about others, belittling them, exaggerating their opinions and/or ideals - appears to be you. So your plan appears to be to behave exactly as predicted, thereby confirming everyone's suspicions, and therefore somehow win everyone over via the immense power of irony? Maybe you'd like to join the chorus of the "enlightened" complaining about Ricky Gervais's Oscar speech?
Many years ago, if someone had mentioned this, I would have laughed at their absurdity. Unfortunately, it seems in vogue lately to be "progressive" at all costs - even against logic and facts. Like that sound engineer who was fired from Subnautica because of a few twitter posts.

Who needs Government 1984-style censorship when companies are way ahead of that now?

Oh yeah? You know a lot of families getting destroyed by trans rights? I guess I have to admit it's true, my dad was forced to divorce my mom when they legalized gay marriage XD

And it's pretty funny you'd bring up quality media, leftists have always been using art to push their politics; don't suppose you're a fan of any Marvel stuff are you? The people who have actually destroyed quality media in the past ironically have been the conserative censors calling everything profane and degenerate, or the capitalists who would rather do something like put out yet another Call of Duty, innovating monetization mechanics instead of gameplay mechanics or story.

But go ahead and continue dressing up your irrational phobia of the unknown and different as you challenging some legitimate threat or whatever.

Not being an asshole to trans or gay people is not an ideology, it's just how society works now. Dress it up as some authoritarian boot grinding in your face but it really all does come down to "stop bullying people and being a jerk, and if you do people aren't going to be nice to you or want to be around you".

You have one example of this supposed society-gone-mad, and it was a porn star who hung herself while tripping on anti-depressants, coke, and xanax. All this two years ago by the by, and we all know if you had more recent or clear cut cases nobody could get you to shut up about this. I'm sure the controversy surrounding her contributed to her anxiety which lead her to take her life; but be serious, this is what you're pinning all your evidence on? A girl who abused drugs and possibly had mental health issues killed herself. And you blame that entirely on the culture of gay acceptance?

I would say still waiting to hear if all these concerns for bullying and suicide extend to the thousands of gay and trans people who have taken their own lives, and I don't have to cherry pick a single case from two years ago to make that argument, but I think we all can see where that would go.

That little line about being shamed for being a white straight male really says a lot, mostly about how weak a person you are for so little pressure to make you feel like you're under attack from all sides. Lol, pathetic

Oh yes definitely, because it's pathetic, mean spirited, intellectually dishonest, and many other very negative things. What am I supposed to do with people who would never change their minds regardless of what evidence is presented their way, and whose beliefs lead them to dehumanize and inflict the pain they supposedly fear on others?

Want me to sit here and give you a hand job and ask you to pretty please not be a bad person? That's a serious question by the by, I've had plenty of conversations with stealth nazis and it all comes down to the same poorly made argument, the same wild leaps of logic built on shaky logic, and never once have I ever seen it all torn down and at the end had a mind changed.

You guys don't want to live in a world where all these horrible things you fear aren't true, you want to live in a world where your current beliefs are vindicated; change my mind.

Oh no someone regurgitating race realism faced the social consequences of their actions *cries*

As I said earlier, I"ve never seen any of the arguments I put forth answered or defeated; and every time I look into one of your stories either it's a complete lie or misrepresentation of the events in question, or i'm left saying "yeah that seems pretty ordinary"

You people are exclusively motivated by the freedom to be racist online, how fucking sad and pathetic.

So, are you saying that gay and trans people are weaker and more pathetic than me? Since they took their lives because of little pressure.

Of course, most trans people are on heavy medication - hormones and such. Plus initial psycological problems that transitioning was supposed to solve in the first place. That could be the cause of their suicide - after all you claimed that Ames killed herself because of her mental state, not harrassment.

Wait. Wasn't Activision-Blizzard an ally in LGBT-rights activism, with all Overwatch LGBT and feminist themes?

There are actually quite a few more examples. But I don't see the point in googling them - you'll just dismiss those like Ames case. I named her simly because it was the first case I saw and her hame had stuck in my memory.

no see they face real pressure, they didn't have to go scrounging up isolated cases to pretend they're oppressed or anything. You do because the problems you seek to solve don't really exist; hence why it's so pathetic in your case and not in the other.

unfortunately for trans people the majority of their issues come from feelings of isolation and not being validated by society; the medical community's official recommendation for them but you can't really shove enough pills down someone's throat to make them forget feelings of being constantly despised by everyone.

I don't care too much about trying to measure up the logic behind Ames with greater trends in LGBTQ people. One individual story can have a multitude of things going on in their lives, neither you nor I have any personal knowledge of the case or her, it's pointless to base any claims on her death. In fact that's kind of the wider point I'm trying to make, her story is not in any sense of the word conclusive to some wider point. The only thing we do know about it is that it's an isolated incident which doesn't seem to repeat and if that's the case then the theory that Ames was a healthy person of sound body and mind who took her own life because of extreme bullying which could befall anyone who dares post something the progressive mob deems unacceptable is highly unlikely if it's not repeated.

Lol, no!

They made two characters gay, after the game came out and not in any way you could tell simply by playing the game. Blizzard is a cynical capitalist entity coldly using cultural trends to market itself. Progressives are not stupid nor impressed by obvious low effort pandering. At best it's better than nothing, barely. At worst it shows how gays are still so stigmatized that you can't have there just be a gay character; it's got to be after the fact if at all and easily avoidable for any consumers who could be turned off by it.

I mean you're probably right if you mean you have a half dozen or so more stories of dubious validity. I'd accept some kind of academic study that shows there is merit to the idea that online bullying of people for whatever reason is leading to suicides I'd accept that as probably true. But my fear is that you're engaging in cofirmation bias, you probably going digging for news stories like this or fill your social media feed with outrage merchants who make their living convincing you this is a horrible imminent problem. How can I work with that kind of stuff when the same level of evidence could convince me that Marilyn Monroe had JFK killed and that 911 was an inside job?

And how do you know that YOU are not engaging in confirmation bias? Note that so far you've just dismissed Ames suicide story on the basis of it simply not conforming to your narrative. I can tell you about James Shupe who was misdiagnosed with gender disphoria by "progressive" psychologists and made transitioning to "non-binary" that obviously didn't help his emotional condition. Luckily he didn't killed himself, but does it really excuse people who made him think that transitioning would solve his problems? Or other psychologists, who could challenge diagnosis, but were too afraid of being called "transphobic"?

Or what about 7-year old in Texas, whose parents don't agree on what gender their child is? Guess, who thinks the child is a boy and who - a girl.

You ask for some sort of statistical research? But what about YOU? Do you have any research that backs your claim of LGBT+whatever people being depressed and suicidal because of "hatered and bigotry" and not because they are confused and frustrated, their brains being screwed by "progressive" propaganda?

BS. ALL characters in Overwatch are LGBT+-. And Tracer does mention her crush in the game. And yes, "progressives" WERE stupid enough to praise and support Blizzard up until China debacle.

Again, BS. There are plenty of games that have character sexuality unmentioned at all and thus character could be gay. There are even games that have just subtle references or sexuality being mentioned, but doesn't play a role in the game. However, "progressives" always complain about those games not being enough, until devs crank up character being gay to such a degree that it feels like they shove sexuality down audience thorat. Which of cause results in backlash.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Can you explain me, why if mentions of character sexuality can be avoided by player, it's a bad thing?

I think what this boils down to is that people get upset when a small minority try to dictate how they think. I myself don't give a hoot about gayness and feel strongly that there should not be housing and job discrimniation against them but I do get irritated when people of religion (who I am not) are then discriminated against because of their beliefs and games try to basically preach to you about the gay lifestyle. The alphabet movement needs to learn to mind their own business a bit as nobody likes to be preached to. Mention it, have the possiblity to role play it but don't push it or, at some point, there will be a backlash. As far as game profitability goes, the signs are strong that this sort of preaching in game does not sell well.

To me it's not only about dictating, but also about absense of logic and consistency. "Trans rights activists" are most irrational of all SJWs, since they reject biological definitions of man and woman, but don't even have their own of what a man and woman are. I was called transphobe for simply asking one trans-woman what is man and what is a woman.