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Adzeth: Hello everyone. I'm new to the mafia games but I think I've got the gist of it. I just need to learn the terminology and how to spot subterfuge. I've only known bad liars in real life, or maybe they're so great that I never realized they're lying.
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I've been catching up with the thread, and currently I've read a couple hundred messages from the beginning and about a hundred latest ones. I skipped some in the middle because of a "oh snap, I've been reading this stuff for hours" realization. I hope I didn't miss any pivotal intrigue.
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Anyway, to start some calamity. From reading the thread I have surmised that Vitek and GameRager are definitely evil. Their long posts at various points of the thread caused much groaning and a single calcified tear. I don't think they're scum, though. Vitek's earlier posts seem like righteous indignation, or something, and it didn't feel fake. GameRager's claim, lies and reasoning sound legit enough. I did consider that maybe he's scum and trying to bait the real doctor, if there even is one, but him being the real deal just seems more likely to me.
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The people I'm most suspicious of are Robbeasy and flubbucket. Robbeasy for that GR hammering thing, and flubbucket because he confuses me (I guess; it's a feeling that's hard to put into words). Hope to lynch you soon too, flubbucket :p
Hello Adzeth *waves*
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IIRC, a good amount of the "middle" of the game(to date) has been me/Vitek/NFY/JMich bickering back and forth about the same few topics, so it should be safe to skip(You're free to go back and skim it for yourself to verify this if you want, though.)
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Yeah, it seems like Vitek & I do like to ramble on a bit(I blame my "problem" on my rampant OCD....I dunno what Vitek's excuse is, though.)......I dunno if i'd call that "evil", though. :p ;)
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Any posts of flub's that spring to mind(as per him "confusing" you)?
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GameRager: Any posts of flub's that spring to mind(as per him "confusing" you)?
Not any single posts spring to mind at the moment. I read way too many posts in way too little time and they're all porridge in the same cup in my mind now. :D
It's something like that I have a hard time figuring out how to read his posts, what he's getting at, and the like. There's a certain snarky vibe in some of his posts, too. Might be just a case of bad first impressions.

..and, uhh, post 583 shows that he's totally out to get me ¬_¬
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Adzeth: Not any single posts spring to mind at the moment. I read way too many posts in way too little time and they're all porridge in the same cup in my mind now. :D
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It's something like that I have a hard time figuring out how to read his posts, what he's getting at, and the like. There's a certain snarky vibe in some of his posts, too. Might be just a case of bad first impressions.

..and, uhh, post 583 shows that he's totally out to get me ¬_¬
I know what you mean....whenever I have to read a ton of posts(in any thread) it turns my mind to mush.
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Yeah, I wonder what Flub meant by that....hopefully he'll be back soon to fill us in.
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Adzeth: Hello everyone. I'm new to the mafia games but I think I've got the gist of it. I just need to learn the terminology and how to spot subterfuge. I've only known bad liars in real life, or maybe they're so great that I never realized they're lying.
Welcome!
OK - a few points to answer, and GR's claim to discuss and dissect.

First off - yes I did think GR was at lynch, which is why I asked the question - i missed the unvote. Yes, it meant that I was the hammer of GR. At that point, I was quite convinced of his guilt and was willing to do it.

the vote wasn't 'nonchalent' or after a quick read of the thread GameRager - you saying this just makes me suspicious of you all over again. I made several posts after voting explaining why I voted. I agreed with randoms theory, no more and no less. I couldnt add anything that he hadn't already said, so saw no point expanding on it...

That theory has been since been questioned by others....and his claim has prompted unvotes by many, including myself. Its a strong claim, and one that pretty much ensured he didnt get lynched himself.

All the calls for me to name claim - after GameRagers ??? Really??!!! Fishing much?!

SPF - very odd for me - berates people for finding GR anything but suspicious (#571), and then votes for me in the very next post (#572) - someone who has been consistent in finding GR suspaicious!! Cant get my head around that at all....

@ GameRager - you berate me for nonchalently putting my vote on you, yet #575 has you just putting your vote on me, even though you are waiting for me to post? Pot, meet kettle.

On balance of what has happened since the claim , I'm going to call GR out. I think his claim is BS and he's done nothing since then to successfully convince me he isnt scum

vote GameRage
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Robbeasy: I made several posts after voting explaining why I voted.
You did? Where?

Voting post
2nd post
3rd post
4th post
5th post6th post
7th post
8th post

Out of those posts, your "reasons" were "Your name isn't in the same format as mine" (Surprise, neither is mine), and in the 6th post what is basically a "Tell us your role. Do it. Now." So where exactly did you present your reasons?

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Robbeasy: I agreed with randoms theory, no more and no less. I couldnt add anything that he hadn't already said, so saw no point expanding on it...
Does this mean your reasons are "I agree with random"? And that is what you posted before?

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Robbeasy: All the calls for me to name claim - after GameRagers ??? Really??!!! Fishing much?!
Who else asked for a name claim? I thought I was the only one doing that.


Also, welcome Adzeth, be sure to read the whole thread, even if half of it is me and Vitek arguing about names.
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Robbeasy: First off - yes I did think GR was at lynch, which is why I asked the question - i missed the unvote. Yes, it meant that I was the hammer of GR. At that point, I was quite convinced of his guilt and was willing to do it.
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The vote wasn't 'nonchalant' or after a quick read of the thread GameRager - you saying this just makes me suspicious of you all over again.
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I made several posts after voting explaining why I voted. I agreed with random's theory, no more and no less. I couldn't add anything that he hadn't already said, so saw no point expanding on it...
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All the calls for me to name claim - after GameRagers??? Really??!!! Fishing much?!
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SPF - very odd for me - berates people for finding GR anything but suspicious (#571), and then votes for me in the very next post (#572) - someone who has been consistent in finding GR suspicious!! Cant get my head around that at all....
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@ GameRager - you berate me for nonchalantly putting my vote on you, yet #575 has you just putting your vote on me, even though you are waiting for me to post? Pot, meet kettle.
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On balance of what has happened since the claim , I'm going to call GR out. I think his claim is BS and he's done nothing since then to successfully convince me he isnt scum

vote GameRage
It wasn't just that you seemed to be eager to vote for me without much thought(When you voted for me, iirc, you said you had just skimmed through the thread & were placing a vote on me until you could do a better read of the thread/last few pages of posts.), but also that you seemed "eager" to get me lynched without giving me a chance to explain myself(The others were at least civil enough to give me this courtesy.). Add to that the fact that(at the time) we had several days to go until the deadline & it only made your seeming rush to get me lynched all the more suspicious.
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Yes it was, or so you claimed(iirc). I could go back and snag the post you made if that'd help refresh your memory.
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Care to post links to where you explained you vote more thoroughly?
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Care to explain how knowing your name(Unless you are scum or have a power role mentioned in your name) would put you at a disadvantage? As such, why are you so reticent to claim?

(Note that I don't care if you claim or not.....i'm just curious as to this point.)
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It's probably because of your eagerness to get me lynched on flimsy(Random's false claim claim) reasoning, among other things.
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I put my vote on you for several reasons: 1. Your quickness to lynch me on flimsy reasoning/without giving me a chance to claim/defend myself(as others did). 2. You eagerness to do #1 while knowing we had plenty of time(several days) before deadline.

Tbh my vote was more a "prod him to see if I can get a satisfactory explanation for his vote/earlier actions" vote than anything else, and I was going to remove it when/if you provided me such a satisfactory explanation. As you seem to have gone on the defensive(and in a BIG way), however, I have decided to leave my vote where it is.
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I tried to be reasonable, but your words aren't convincing me of much beyond the fact that I was right to place my vote on you.
The comforting sounds of munition manufactory from behind the storeroom door have resumed.

Where d'you get your new hat?
Who is it honey
buyin you stuff like that?

Sapphires takes a break to stretch his legs. He shakes his fist at a few timewasters.

THE GAME IS FIRST-TO-SEVEN-VOTES

0 - JMich --------------
2 - GameRager ------ Twilightbard, Robbeasy,
0 - Twilightbard ------
0 - Not-French-Yet -
0 - Adzeth -------------
0 - Rodzaju -----------
1 - SirPrimalform ---- JMich,
0 - Red_Baron -------
3 - Robbeasy -------- SirPrimalform, flubbucket, GameRager,
1 - A_Future_Pilot -- Not-French-Yet,
0 - flubbucket --------
1 - Vitek --------------- random.org,
0 - NoLynch ----------

Adzeth, A_Future_Pilot, Red_Baron, Vitek,

Deadline 12th April

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TwilightBard:
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A_Future_Pilot:
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Red_Baron:
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random.org:
Post edited April 08, 2013 by JoeSapphire
OK, this evening I'm gonna do a complete reread. Cya all then! :)
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Robbeasy: SPF - very odd for me - berates people for finding GR anything but suspicious (#571), and then votes for me in the very next post (#572) - someone who has been consistent in finding GR suspaicious!! Cant get my head around that at all....
Not berating, it was a sarcastic defence against JMich's (interpolated) "Everyone who asked GameRager to claim should claim as well!". So I was explaining why calling for him to claim was (IMO) completely justified, not 'berating JMich' for not finding GR suspicious.


My vote for you is to do with the fact that you (as far as you knew) hammered GameRager based on random.org's reasoning without even stopping to check it with anyone else or hear GameRager's response. That is why I am voting for you. Nothing to do with whether you found GR suspicious or not.

Vote stands.
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JoeSapphire: The comforting sounds of munition manufactory from behind the storeroom door have resumed.

Where d'you get your new hat?
Who is it honey
buyin you stuff like that?

Sapphires takes a break to stretch his legs. He shakes his fist at a few timewasters.

THE GAME IS FIRST-TO-SEVEN-VOTES

0 - JMich --------------
2 - GameRager ------ Twilightbard, Robbeasy,
0 - Twilightbard ------
0 - Not-French-Yet -
1 - drennan -----------
0 - Rodzaju -----------
1 - SirPrimalform ---- JMich,
0 - Red_Baron -------
3 - Robbeasy -------- SirPrimalform, flubbucket, GameRager,
1 - A_Future_Pilot -- Not-French-Yet,
0 - flubbucket --------
1 - Vitek --------------- random.org,
0 - NoLynch ----------

Adzeth, A_Future_Pilot, Red_Baron, Vitek,

Deadline 12th April

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random.org:
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JoeSapphire:
Still here, was just waiting for posts from so I ended up being asleep when they came <.<. I got a few things to do, just wanted to check in, better post tonight.
I'm still suspicious of Robbeasy, especially after JMich's post #591. Since I don't actually have anything on flubbucket, I think I'm going to go wild and start my voting career.

Vote Robbeasy
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GameRager: ???
In game 13 town were forum players playing mafia (I was playing nmillar) and mafia consisted of forum members who never played mafia with us. Adzeth was one of them. :-)


I feel same about flubbucket as Adzeth.

I am not sure about Robbeasy. You can probably say I am fence-sitting. On one hand I suspect Robbeasy, but I am not sure I like this wagon. There is too many of my suspects driving it.
Right now I don't see myself on it, but I am not going to fight against it either.

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A_Future_Pilot: OK, this evening I'm gonna do a complete reread. Cya all then! :)
I hope you'll deliver.
I kind of feel like all the wind's gone out of my sails at this point... I need to clear time for a re-read too (I never answered that question about Vitek). Might get a chance tomorrow but can't promise anything.

I too am increasingly concerned by flubb, but it's more confusion with his continued posting, on the back of the first scrap I had on his subject.

The swing to Robb is proving interesting:

Rager seems to suspect Robbeasy for the voting and for being unusually defensive. Now where have I heard that before...

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Robbeasy: SPF - very odd for me - berates people for finding GR anything but suspicious (#571), and then votes for me in the very next post (#572) - someone who has been consistent in finding GR suspaicious!! Cant get my head around that at all....
You're carefully missing out the fact that GR claimed doctor... Plus the actual quote you call "berating people for no longer finding GR suspicious" (interpolated) amounts to:
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SirPrimalform: I don't really like the way [JMich is] suddenly treating GR as if he never did anything suspicious.
... that's definitely the second time you've exaggerated events, Robb.
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NotFrenchYet: I kind of feel like all the wind's gone out of my sails at this point... I need to clear time for a re-read too (I never answered that question about Vitek). Might get a chance tomorrow but can't promise anything.
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The swing to Robb is proving interesting:

Rager seems to suspect Robbeasy for the voting and for being unusually defensive. Now where have I heard that before...
Question about Vitek?
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To be fair I wasn't the first to bring up Rob's recent actions & use them as a reason to vote for him(Even though they did irk me even before Rob started having votes cast his way.).

I suspected Rob back when he dropped his vote on me after reading Random's post, and became more suspicious when he asked if I was lynched yet(Anyone could've easily seen that I wasn't at lynch when he voted by counting the votes/unvotes around that point......). I didn't vote for him, however, because I wanted to give him time to explain his vote better and/or convince me that he had good(non-scum) reasons for voting for me/keeping his vote on me. He didn't, so I cast my vote on him(This happened sometime around when others started voting for him/questioning his actions.) while asking him to explain said actions. Instead of giving a good explanation as to his actions, he stated that he'd already provided a good explanation earlier. This was countered/dis-proven by JMich's post 591(And my recollections of his past actions.), so I kept my vote where it was.