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flubbucket:
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drennan: I kind of saw that coming, but quite frankly, I find it extremely hard to come up with anything meaningful at this point. This is night 1, we have just about zero information to go on, the conversation has been going in circles for a while. A large portion of the non-filler posts refer to what people did in previous games which I did not participate in and thus cannot form an opinion on. The rest are just saying nothing.
I can kind of see this going one of two ways.

1) You are scummy and are waiting for the "night" phase so you can take whatever action you have planned. This "day" phase holds no interest for you whatsoever since you aren't scumhunting.

2) You are vanilla town and have no action to carry out and therefore aren't interested in the game per se.

With that you also are NOT scumhunting.


You feel me there home skillet???
BTW when/if Joe comes back can we get an accurate votecount? (Or can someone here do a quick tally?)

Afaik me/vitek/JMich are closest to lynch...that about right?
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drennan: I kind of saw that coming, but quite frankly, I find it extremely hard to come up with anything meaningful at this point. This is night 1, we have just about zero information to go on, the conversation has been going in circles for a while. A large portion of the non-filler posts refer to what people did in previous games which I did not participate in and thus cannot form an opinion on. The rest are just saying nothing.
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flubbucket: I can kind of see this going one of two ways.

1) You are scummy and are waiting for the "night" phase so you can take whatever action you have planned. This "day" phase holds no interest for you whatsoever since you aren't scumhunting.

2) You are vanilla town and have no action to carry out and therefore aren't interested in the game per se.

With that you also are NOT scumhunting.

You feel me there home skillet???
There is another option - in my admittedly limited to GOG only experience of Mafia games, new players take a while to get into the game. This is Drennans first game I believe, which may go some way to explain the quietness. Its no reason to not give them a warning, like you have, and no reason to be suspicious, but its something to keep in mind
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Robbeasy: There is another option - in my admittedly limited to GOG only experience of Mafia games, new players take a while to get into the game. This is Drennans first game I believe, which may go some way to explain the quietness. Its no reason to not give them a warning, like you have, and no reason to be suspicious, but its something to keep in mind
*Sarcasm ahead* OMG stop defending Dren's behavior! You are so totally scum in my eyes right now.....votez Rob(not really, though). *End sarcasm*

(Sorry Rob, i'm just using this reply of yours to illustrate the point that explaining someone's behavior[A I/others did when Flub mentioned role-claiming/etc] isn't always an indicator that one is scum.)
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TwilightBard:
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Rodzaju:
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A_Future_Pilot:
Post edited March 14, 2013 by JoeSapphire
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Robbeasy: An assumption, or a slip...?
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JMich: A translation/re-writing of the following:

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JMich: Black is white, and white is black. You suggest black is black and white is white, while the game's rules claim otherwise. If you had suggested circle is black and square is white, then I wouldn't accuse you of trying to spread confusion.
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JMich: .

I do love out of context quoting though, have I mentioned it?
I don't think that phrase is much taken out of context at all, to be honest. Yeah, i've snipped the rest of the post, but go back and read it - there isn't much qualification of what you said around the bit i quoted.

OK - point taken about a re-write / translation, but you have to be really really careful when you start talking of the informed minority like you know who they are. It just comes across.....thuggy.

unvote JMich for now, but consider yourself up the thug-list.
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Robbeasy: I don't think that phrase is much taken out of context at all, to be honest.
True, it's not an out of context quote, it's a phrase from a conversation that was taken out of context. No worries.

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Robbeasy: but consider yourself up the thug-list.
I'm one of those pushing for some explanations (or a lynch) on the first voting stage, I'd be really surprised if I wasn't on the thug list.
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JMich: Use bigger words then. Just assume you are explaining it to an idiot, since I still can't see what you are trying to say, and your responses on post 297 don't help me at all. So it is possible that I am an idiot.
I did use them.
I used words like "suggesting" "actually" "something" and few other.
I don't know waht you want me to say.

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JMich: In this game, the term "Mafia" refers to the uninformed majority faction usually known as town, while the term "Town" refers to the informed minority usually known as mafia. Vitek suggested we use the term "Town" for the uninformed majority and "Mafia" for the informed minority, which I do find as doubly confusing, since he is using the game's term to refer to the opposite. If he had suggested some other terms (gangsters/thugs, good guys/bad guys, circle and square) to refer to the factions, and not the opposite of the game's terms, I wouldn't have any problems.

Does this make it less confusing?

As for other reads, have to do a better reading to see if anything pops up.
In that case it wouldn't be "circle is black" but "black is circle". ;-)

Also, black is not white (and reversed) here, black is called white here, but it's still black.
I'll use the black and white. Let's say we play chess together. I have black figures and you have white ones every time. One game, referee will announce that for this only game my black figures will be called white and your white figures will be called black. I still play the black ones, only the referee refers to them in other way. I personally, would rather pay no attention to it, ignore him and still my black figures black, because it doesn't change the game and it would.
You want to use the new terms, announced by referee, and for some reason thing I am playing foul game when I ignore them. :-)

My biggest confusion is why are you so fixated on this. You picked the one single suggestion and now your whole game revolves around it. You arbitrary decided it's totally scummy, while nothing else is. Apparently, according to the latest quoted sentence, you don't even pay the same amount attention to it.


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GameRager: Oh my... why do you torture me?
TL;DR

Maybe later. I need to maintain my sanity.

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Robbeasy: There is another option - in my admittedly limited to GOG only experience of Mafia games, new players take a while to get into the game. This is Drennans first game I believe, which may go some way to explain the quietness. Its no reason to not give them a warning, like you have, and no reason to be suspicious, but its something to keep in mind
If I am not mistaken, though, this is only first drennan's game here, but not first game ever.

@GameRager; It's OK to PM people and ask for filler post. I got many PM's asking for filler post in the past and others did as well and nobody ever complained.
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GameRager: Oh my... why do you torture me?
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Vitek: ----------------------
TL;DR

Maybe later. I need to maintain my sanity.
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@GameRager; It's OK to PM people and ask for filler post. I got many PM's asking for filler post in the past and others did as well and nobody ever complained.
I "torture" you because I am trying to see just how scummy you truly are. (And because your deflective/dismissive replies to me & JMich make you all the more deserving of it, imo) :P
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It's funny, but this is also how I feel after reading your replies in which you make the same mistaken assumptions(as to my/JMich's motivations for voting/suspecting you) and ask similar questions(which we've already answered over and over again, I might add) ad nauseum. :P
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Thanks for the info. :)
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Vitek: My biggest confusion is why are you so fixated on this. You picked the one single suggestion and now your whole game revolves around it.
As I have done on every game I've played so far, in the first voting stage.

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Vitek: You arbitrary decided it's totally scummy, while nothing else is.
This was the scummiest thing I've seen at that time, thus why I fixed my sights on that. Until something bigger appears, I will remain fixed there.

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Vitek: Apparently, according to the latest quoted sentence, you don't even pay the same amount attention to it.
See, here's another thing I guess you know. A single post rarely is scumming by itself. It's a combination of posts that make it, for example a repeated poking of a specific person for explanations. I read the posts within 12 hours or so from when they are made (and quite often sooner than 12 hours), and see the individual post's scumminess (or lack thereof). To be able to look for a poster's scumminess, I have to read through the thread again.

At least when I do, I do read the whole post, and not just the relevant part...

So, will I get a better explanation on what the
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Vitek: Oh my...
*Dies*
means? Especially since that specific one is for the
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Vitek: Btw. Are you aware we (as whole) are not using the official terminology now? Are you OK with it?
Or you mean we are using scum/thug to refer to the informed majority? Is anyone other than you employing the term mafia for informed minority and town for uninformed majority? I would like a quote for that please.
OK, this is just ridiculous. We are literally still going back and forth over a simple naming convention suggestion made just a couple hours into the first night. Right now my top two scum are JMich and Robbeasy (Although I need to look more into GameRager and flubbucket).

Until I can do a reread I'm going to just have to wait for a votecount and vote for whichever of my top scum I think is most likely to be lynched.
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A_Future_Pilot: OK, this is just ridiculous. We are literally still going back and forth over a simple naming convention suggestion made just a couple hours into the first night. Right now my top two scum are JMich and Robbeasy (Although I need to look more into GameRager and flubbucket).

Until I can do a reread I'm going to just have to wait for a votecount and vote for whichever of my top scum I think is most likely to be lynched.
I agree with the banter on the naming convention.

I'm curious why you've named about 35% of the group as potential suspects...

You have a point to make I'm sure. GameRager has given a great deal to look at so we will await your summation, yes??
I'm sorry it is a large percentage...I didn't mean to necessarily cast suspicion on you or GameRager. What I meant was that my top two currently are JMich and Rob but I haven't even payed too much attention to you and GameRager, so y'all may or may not be put on my scum list.
@JMich, that makes a bit more sense now, cheers. :)

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GameRager: *Sarcasm ahead* OMG stop defending Dren's behavior! You are so totally scum in my eyes right now.....votez Rob(not really, though). *End sarcasm*

(Sorry Rob, i'm just using this reply of yours to illustrate the point that explaining someone's behavior[A I/others did when Flub mentioned role-claiming/etc] isn't always an indicator that one is scum.)
"Remember he's a new player" (fact) =/= "he meant [blah] ("That was a mistake") well maybe he had a brain fart?" (pure defensive speculation) (interpolated!)

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GameRager: Why do I have a feeling that even if I did this you'd still try to deflect my reasoning?
... because your feeling comes from your irrational conviction that I'm scum, and not textual evidence?

No really, please quote me:
a) painting you as a suspect because you're voting for Vitek (suggested in #269)
b) playing the "Vitek is a victim" card. (suggested in #306)

If you manage to find an accurate quote for those assertions, I will start to see you as less scummy, since it proves you actually have evidence, and gives us something concrete to argue about.

Because otherwise, I think the amount of hot air I see in your posts would float a zepplin.
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JMich: As I have done on every game I've played so far, in the first voting stage.
That's nothing to boast about and you should change it. :-)

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JMich: This was the scummiest thing I've seen at that time, thus why I fixed my sights on that. Until something bigger appears, I will remain fixed there.
Good for you, but how do you intend to find something bigger, when you don't even have other read than me?

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JMich: See, here's another thing I guess you know. A single post rarely is scumming by itself. It's a combination of posts that make it, for example a repeated poking of a specific person for explanations. I read the posts within 12 hours or so from when they are made (and quite often sooner than 12 hours), and see the individual post's scumminess (or lack thereof). To be able to look for a poster's scumminess, I have to read through the thread again.

At least when I do, I do read the whole post, and not just the relevant part...
So you are saying we shouldn't ask you for reads until you carefully re-read everyone? That's interesting excuse to not chime in with your opinion.
Could you at least tell me, whose single post were scummy to you and warrant further reread?

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JMich: So, will I get a better explanation on what the means?
That is the best answer I am able to provide with my feeble strength.
"So no, I don't have a problem with proposing a better terminology, I have a problem with the terminology you suggested," "therefore I will vote you and haunt you whole day," (not real quote, just paraphrase of JMich's action) doesn't deserve better answer.

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JMich: Or you mean we are using scum/thug to refer to the informed majority? Is anyone other than you employing the term mafia for informed minority and town for uninformed majority? I would like a quote for that please.
Of course that's what I meant. That's what town agreed upon (or at least few players who felt like providing their opinion) and no one changed since then.
No, nobody is using the one thing I proposed somewhere in the past (only me sometimes, but only if I refer to older games or similar thing), like is probably nobody using the the original terminology you wanted to use.
You are both arguing we should use original terminology (and bashing me for wanting to change it) as well as not minding we use another one. That was my point.

Have I ever said people are using it? Where? Quotes please.


I don't feel well. I think, I might be sick. :-/