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I like Gary Johnson's unofficial campaign slogan.

'Feel the Johnson.'

Genius. Sadly, that would still a big L to the OSER half of the borderline defunct Libertarian Party.
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TStael: Timppu, please!

You can always promote tax minimizer Sipilä for the next unfortunate Finnish president - fair n square tax free stipend...

I will be one for Haavisto, or better SDP candidate, maybe.

As to Trump, the US might go that way, and EU diplomacy reacts. I am rather not fan of Trump, but be he elected, I do not think his presidency will remain unhinged. US would be with the world, not without partners.

I think. :-)
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timppu: What's with the way you Finns like you and Antimateria write English? I hardly ever understand half of what you write and have problems figuring out to which part I am supposed to reply. Heck, sometimes I don't even understand my own text!

I mean... "fair and square tax free stipend", what does that even mean? That's like just yesterday I tried to decipher some excel sheet written by some ching chong chinaman which was listing amount of hours, and there was a column "asserted hours". What the heck does that even mean?

According to Google Translator, "assert" is a verb meaning "state a fact or belief confidently and forcefully".

So, hours that are "stated confidentally and forcefully"? How does that differ from the other column in the excel which says "Actual hours"?

What the heck is wrong with this world? Did people suddenly forget how to communicate with each other? Did I just eat a crazy pill, or did everyone else?
Timppu kulta - darling - it could mean there are a few other opinions, even if some of us Finns would hope our tax money has gone into informed ones. ;-) The sort of nuanced and confident point getting.

But still, it was tax gladly paid. By me.
sorry for beiing late, but since the elections arent over yet i would like to reply.

well there is one simple easy answer:

all people going for election for: PM, MP Governor , President or whatever have 1 thing in common
they all tell things people would like to hear...

same here in Eu countries...

BUT and this is one major but... at school we had little in history class about the U.S
most of the time it was about WW2 .
I do know that from the most history i been able to read on the internet, the U.S were not afraid of 'changes' ...
they kept fighting for there independence, but some 'sacrifies' have to be made during that.
Funny thing is however that most of the time they were 'afraid' off new things to come.... that does not sound like the U.S we read all those heroic stories about , seen hundreds of movies , where they always fought for their independence.
Today (and alos many many yeards ago) it all seemed to be democratics leading the country, just like most in EU* aswell, but being democratic you cant have new ideas, cause basically you want to keep things the cosy way they are right now.

Yet lots of people 'complain' that the country is down the drain, more for others but less for your own country
but yet noone wants to 'sacrifice' or will be ready to chance things, or even take some 'risks' so maybe you do need a republican to see if things might chance for the better, or stop complaining about the way things go.

Anyways its either put up (do something and give republican a chance) or shut up but at the same time stop nagging, complaing and 'crying' that the current goverment is messing up the good old country.

In EU countries we simply wont vote, or vote blank (some countries are required to vote so then you vote blank if you dont want to or dont know what to vote for)
So the best thing is let it go..... or accept chances.

personaly i think governents will never do what the people want , thats why i wont vote or vote blank.
Problem solved. Stay home dont vote or vote blank on the ticket (that counts as a no vote in EU), close the shutters and wait to see what happens cause basically there is nothing we can do about it.

Our government is weak, has no spine, will always nod to all the peoples but will never hear its own people in its country (the netherlands in this case), but we cant change that no matter how we vote, what we vote, its always the same party that will win and continues bowing to the entire world and forget about its own people while doing so.

google for: dutch government has no spine

About 12.900.000 results (0,22 seconds)


google for: dutch government ignores referendum
About 367.000 results (0,55 seconds)

if you know dutch read all the dutch posts, otherwise read the ones form the uk sites.
Post edited May 01, 2016 by gamesfreak64
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JudasIscariot: Not trying to be rude, but just about every political or hot button issue thread tends to devolve to the point where people are slinging mud at each other by about, oh..., page 5 or so and then I get concerned PMs from people asking me to close the thread...

Again, not trying to be rude, just seen this happen one too many times.

edited for further clarity.
Yes but imaginary hot button issue threads that are overwhelmingly populated by one side to use as a garbage dump for epithets and bigotry (both hard and soft) - those are totally fine (apparently).

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread
Post edited May 02, 2016 by xSinghx
Trump is now the official GOP candidate for the presidency. I remember a discussion last year in autumn when Trump was getting attention with the most craziest ideas where I asked why he is not running as an independent candidate instead given his controversial (some say indecent, untruthful, hateful, ..., polarizing) statements which might not be in line with the GOP's traditional line. Then some guys reassured me that the GOP would never, ever endorse Trump.

It turned out, they did and now everyone not backing Trump could be seen as a traitor to the cause. This is a bad situation. I still think Republicans should have spoken much louder and decisively against Trump and for a more moderate and reasonable candidate. From Trump's appearances it has become clear, while he is playing the populist card he is also not very bright in the politics department and bends the truth ever so often. I fear the day he might become the next president. I get that voters are fed up with the establishment, but I totally don't get why they then give away their vote to the next populist off-center extremal candidate? Do voters think this is all a big show? Why don't they go and cheer for a hitherho unknown moderate candidate if they are fed up. Would be much, much better.

The once great GOP has not done a good deed to it's reputation, in my opinion. Most powerful economic country in the world, unfortunately stuck with a two party system, one party chooses a very extremist candidate. Well that reduces the choice for the center voters effectively to one.

That's a democratic deficit and I think a proportional voting system would help repairing much of these failures and give people more choice. Since it's a majority voting system instead it's quality relies on the leading two parties having formidable candidates, otherwise the democratic vote is devalued.

Anyway, I estimate the chances for Trump to become the next president to be very low but if this unlikely case happens I guess the impact will be very negative and may be disastrous. I'm rather pessimistic there. It's never good to have someone like Trump on top. Let's see what the outcome will be (only three and a half month until the moment of truth).
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Trilarion: Trump is now the official GOP candidate for the presidency. I remember a discussion last year in autumn when Trump was getting attention with the most craziest ideas where I asked why he is not running as an independent candidate instead given his controversial (some say indecent, untruthful, hateful, ..., polarizing) statements which might not be in line with the GOP's traditional line. Then some guys reassured me that the GOP would never, ever endorse Trump.

It turned out, they did and now everyone not backing Trump could be seen as a traitor to the cause. This is a bad situation. I still think Republicans should have spoken much louder and decisively against Trump and for a more moderate and reasonable candidate. From Trump's appearances it has become clear, while he is playing the populist card he is also not very bright in the politics department and bends the truth ever so often. I fear the day he might become the next president. I get that voters are fed up with the establishment, but I totally don't get why they then give away their vote to the next populist off-center extremal candidate? Do voters think this is all a big show? Why don't they go and cheer for a hitherho unknown moderate candidate if they are fed up. Would be much, much better.

The once great GOP has not done a good deed to it's reputation, in my opinion. Most powerful economic country in the world, unfortunately stuck with a two party system, one party chooses a very extremist candidate. Well that reduces the choice for the center voters effectively to one.

That's a democratic deficit and I think a proportional voting system would help repairing much of these failures and give people more choice. Since it's a majority voting system instead it's quality relies on the leading two parties having formidable candidates, otherwise the democratic vote is devalued.

Anyway, I estimate the chances for Trump to become the next president to be very low but if this unlikely case happens I guess the impact will be very negative and may be disastrous. I'm rather pessimistic there. It's never good to have someone like Trump on top. Let's see what the outcome will be (only three and a half month until the moment of truth).
I'm not usually a fan of populism, as it tends to start with amazing force and ultimately sputter out with the ever changing wants and needs of those who ignited it. But Trump is riding a wave of frustration and anger right into the White House, for good or bad. I'm American, and what I hear on both sides of the fence is frustration and anger. Most people sense a vote for Hillary is a vote for status quo, more of the same. Trump offers something new, something different. Could be bad different, could be good different, but different nonetheless.

I'm not supporting either one, but I don't see Hillary as president. She's one of the most corrupt, miserable human beings I've ever seen, and I wouldn't want the job as her PR captain for all the rice in China. Unless the Clintons empty their purses to fill many pockets, Trump is America's next president. And all I can say is buckle up, it'll be a buck for the ride.
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Trilarion: Why don't they go and cheer for a hitherho unknown moderate candidate if they are fed up. Would be much, much better.
Oh, I didn't know there were people from the future.

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Trilarion: The once great GOP has not done a good deed to it's reputation, in my opinion. Most powerful economic country in the world, unfortunately stuck with a two party system, one party chooses a very extremist candidate. Well that reduces the choice for the center voters effectively to one.

That's a democratic deficit and I think a proportional voting system would help repairing much of these failures and give people more choice. Since it's a majority voting system instead it's quality relies on the leading two parties having formidable candidates, otherwise the democratic vote is devalued.
Ain't that hypocrite, now? I'm pretty sure the people who dislike Donald Trump would want a proportional voting system if he wins, to attenuate his views; but, I'm pretty sure the very same people who dislike Donald Trump would not want a proportional voting system if Hillary Clinton wins, because God forbid why would they stain their opinion which, in their minds, is the right and only one everyone should have.

I don't know if you're such a person; if you're not, then good, and consider this message not directed to you personally.

Just look at the petty reactions some people had after the Brexit. "We want democracy, but only our democracy, the right one! Everyone who doesn't share our opinions should not be allowed to vote! [Of course followed by the sound made when a kid sticks his tongue out and proceeds to blow which, I just learned, is called "blowing a rapsberry"—the more you know!]*
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Tyrrhia: ... Ain't that hypocrite, now? ...
No, I'm absolutely clean in this regard. I always said it for many years and this is a long term stance of me. If you want I can search and show you some posts from me here that say it way before Trump.
Post edited July 21, 2016 by Trilarion
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Tyrrhia: ... Ain't that hypocrite, now? ...
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Trilarion: No, I'm absolutely clean in this regard. I always said it for many years and this is a long term stance of me. If you want I can search and show you some posts from me here that say it way before Trump.
why did you waste, a few moments of your life, writing this. Nobody cares
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Emob78: ...Trump offers something new, something different. Could be bad different, could be good different, but different nonetheless. ...
To me this sounds really bad. Trump never really became very precise and when he did it was mostly terribly new things where people may rather would like to keep what they have. So people just consider him cool because he is perceived as new but do not know what exactly these "new" things will be? I thought politics to be like advertisements (cool new product, no information about why it's cool) would not work out well.

And the funny thing is that voters associate Clinton with establishment but when you look for her key promises you see that they aren't reality. So how come somebody from the establishment can have new ideas why somebody outside like Trump may end up with terrible ideas? In the end this may destroy the whole narrative of outside trumps inside.
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silmwaren: why did you waste, a few moments of your life, writing this. Nobody cares
Hmm, I have to think about that. ;)
Post edited July 21, 2016 by Trilarion
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Tyrrhia: ... Ain't that hypocrite, now? ...
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Trilarion: No, I'm absolutely clean in this regard. I always said it for many years and this is a long term stance of me. If you want I can search and show you some posts from me here that say it way before Trump.
It's fine; I can trust you. As I said, it was only meant if you thought that way. If I knew you weren't thinking that way (i.e. what I described in my first post—God, that's confusing!), I wouldn't have written my post in the first place, so I just assumed you were and put a "Do you relate to that?" warning at the end. ;)
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toothsaber: She will just say "But daddy, our first lady has nudes. First ladies are role models right...right...?
Then you correct her, explaining that 'role' and 'nude' aren't always synonymous.

You also explain to her to it's perfectly fine to have nude photos of herself it she gets millions for the photo shoots or ends up marrying a billionaire, but she shouldn't just send them to her loser boyfriend.
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Trilarion: Trump is now the official GOP candidate for the presidency. I remember a discussion last year in autumn when Trump was getting attention with the most craziest ideas where I asked why he is not running as an independent candidate instead given his controversial (some say indecent, untruthful, hateful, ..., polarizing) statements which might not be in line with the GOP's traditional line. Then some guys reassured me that the GOP would never, ever endorse Trump.

It turned out, they did and now everyone not backing Trump could be seen as a traitor to the cause. This is a bad situation. I still think Republicans should have spoken much louder and decisively against Trump and for a more moderate and reasonable candidate. From Trump's appearances it has become clear, while he is playing the populist card he is also not very bright in the politics department and bends the truth ever so often. I fear the day he might become the next president. I get that voters are fed up with the establishment, but I totally don't get why they then give away their vote to the next populist off-center extremal candidate? Do voters think this is all a big show? Why don't they go and cheer for a hitherho unknown moderate candidate if they are fed up. Would be much, much better.

The once great GOP has not done a good deed to it's reputation, in my opinion. Most powerful economic country in the world, unfortunately stuck with a two party system, one party chooses a very extremist candidate. Well that reduces the choice for the center voters effectively to one.

That's a democratic deficit and I think a proportional voting system would help repairing much of these failures and give people more choice. Since it's a majority voting system instead it's quality relies on the leading two parties having formidable candidates, otherwise the democratic vote is devalued.

Anyway, I estimate the chances for Trump to become the next president to be very low but if this unlikely case happens I guess the impact will be very negative and may be disastrous. I'm rather pessimistic there. It's never good to have someone like Trump on top. Let's see what the outcome will be (only three and a half month until the moment of truth).
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Emob78: I'm not usually a fan of populism, as it tends to start with amazing force and ultimately sputter out with the ever changing wants and needs of those who ignited it. But Trump is riding a wave of frustration and anger right into the White House, for good or bad. I'm American, and what I hear on both sides of the fence is frustration and anger. Most people sense a vote for Hillary is a vote for status quo, more of the same. Trump offers something new, something different. Could be bad different, could be good different, but different nonetheless.

I'm not supporting either one, but I don't see Hillary as president. She's one of the most corrupt, miserable human beings I've ever seen, and I wouldn't want the job as her PR captain for all the rice in China. Unless the Clintons empty their purses to fill many pockets, Trump is America's next president. And all I can say is buckle up, it'll be a buck for the ride.
If the situation wasn't so serious and a guy like Trump wasn't one mistake by Clinton away from the US presidency, it'd probably be hilarious that liberals are arguing to maintain the status quo to some extent while conservatives are aching to throw all familiar things out the window in favor of what's essentially the mother of all crapshoots.
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JudasIscariot: Is there not a board somewhere on the net where you (general you, not singling out OP)can discuss politics?

Not trying to be rude, but just about every political or hot button issue thread tends to devolve to the point where people are slinging mud at each other by about, oh..., page 5 or so and then I get concerned PMs from people asking me to close the thread...

Again, not trying to be rude, just seen this happen one too many times.

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There probably is. Somewhere. It won't attract people who want to discuss politics WITHIN their community though.

Simple discussions about games often tend to go the wrong way as well; I have seen millions of insulting posts in threads just talking about games. Here on GOG fora.

Indeed: politics is a hot topic, but there will always be people who use internet's anonimity to call people names or cause grieve. It is a given, and I hope we will never shut down the net because of it. For what it is worth: you (general you) are under no obligation to reply to people who behave badly. They can be ignored.

Not trying to be rude either, by the way...
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Trilarion: Trump is now the official GOP candidate for the presidency. I remember a discussion last year in autumn when Trump was getting attention with the most craziest ideas where I asked why he is not running as an independent candidate instead given his controversial (some say indecent, untruthful, hateful, ..., polarizing) statements which might not be in line with the GOP's traditional line. Then some guys reassured me that the GOP would never, ever endorse Trump.

It turned out, they did and now everyone not backing Trump could be seen as a traitor to the cause. This is a bad situation. I still think Republicans should have spoken much louder and decisively against Trump and for a more moderate and reasonable candidate. From Trump's appearances it has become clear, while he is playing the populist card he is also not very bright in the politics department and bends the truth ever so often. I fear the day he might become the next president. I get that voters are fed up with the establishment, but I totally don't get why they then give away their vote to the next populist off-center extremal candidate? Do voters think this is all a big show? Why don't they go and cheer for a hitherho unknown moderate candidate if they are fed up. Would be much, much better.

The once great GOP has not done a good deed to it's reputation, in my opinion. Most powerful economic country in the world, unfortunately stuck with a two party system, one party chooses a very extremist candidate. Well that reduces the choice for the center voters effectively to one.

That's a democratic deficit and I think a proportional voting system would help repairing much of these failures and give people more choice. Since it's a majority voting system instead it's quality relies on the leading two parties having formidable candidates, otherwise the democratic vote is devalued.

Anyway, I estimate the chances for Trump to become the next president to be very low but if this unlikely case happens I guess the impact will be very negative and may be disastrous. I'm rather pessimistic there. It's never good to have someone like Trump on top. Let's see what the outcome will be (only three and a half month until the moment of truth).
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Emob78: I'm not usually a fan of populism, as it tends to start with amazing force and ultimately sputter out with the ever changing wants and needs of those who ignited it. But Trump is riding a wave of frustration and anger right into the White House, for good or bad. I'm American, and what I hear on both sides of the fence is frustration and anger. Most people sense a vote for Hillary is a vote for status quo, more of the same. Trump offers something new, something different. Could be bad different, could be good different, but different nonetheless.

I'm not supporting either one, but I don't see Hillary as president. She's one of the most corrupt, miserable human beings I've ever seen, and I wouldn't want the job as her PR captain for all the rice in China. Unless the Clintons empty their purses to fill many pockets, Trump is America's next president. And all I can say is buckle up, it'll be a buck for the ride.
I am afraid it will be much more than a buck for the ride...