British GQ is always better.

Can't stump the Trump!!!!!!

Donald Trump is already divisive in the Republican crowd.

For me, that's a strong sign that he won't win. He might have stood a chance against Sanders (I think Americans tend to view him as far left), but Clinton will crush him.

Can't make inroads into the democrat demographic when you can't even rally your own turf. I was hanging in the Utopia forums about a decade ago when the game was still popular, the emotional IQ of the average poster was less than 80 and the politics section was an unmoderated cesspool.

Not saying I'd repeat the experience nowadays, but the worst that happens in GOG's forums is a tea party compared to that.

Heck, if you spend any length of time hanging in the imdb GoT discussion threads, you'll appreciate how pristine GOG's forums are in comparison, even at their worst.

Of course, these forums probably need moderation from time to time, but let's keep things in perspective :).

PS: I wouldn't censor all politics thread, but some of the hate stuff... yeah.

Problem is with politics is that 90% of the time people just start yelling at each other once they open their mouths. Very little actual dialogue or communication takes place. I'm an anarcho-capitalist. I know this pattern well. I can't even begin to speak my mind without people screaming every obscenity in the book at me, all the while calling me the intolerant asshole. You get used to it.

Having said that, I would never call for nor support the censoring of those yelling at me. In my mind it's just them turning the volume up on their own ignorance for everyone else to see. Let the monkeys play. We'll toss 'em a banana after the song and dance routine are over.

I just beg this forum to be sensible with its own passions and discussions. If people have a chance to talk they are often going to say foolish things and be mean to each other. But the alternative is silence, and what is that? Nothing is nothing. You can't pull blood from a stone, and you can't have anything of value come from humans not communicating with one another.

Trigger warning. Some contrarian "trolling" follows inside of the agreements.

+1 Politics are indeed more and more radical and polarized. IMO that's mostly due to the rising supremacy of the subjective in politics, aka identity politics. We all find reasons to hate others, instead of finding common ground to tolerate.

So the question to you being, what's so serious about the situation really? The election is a coin toss, like most presidential elections in the US are, with near equal chances by each candidate. A 40% 60% split of votes would be yuuuuge, it will probably be closer than that though. And even if we are right and a victory by any of these two is catastrophic to the US, well then, means the rest of the world gets a shot at the superpower title no?

I mean, there's a bunch of people that see the US being world police, as well the main source of global capitalism as a clear net loss. So here's their chance to see that yuuuugely diminished. Just got to vote for you know who, and watch the US burn. Think of the children in the rest of the world and take one for the Gaia team!


So you see this as a Change election. Certainly Hillary will have a tough time selling herself as Obama v2 (I remember the 2008 campaign), and yet her campaigning against the Obama legacy is inconceivable - it would fracture the DNC at least as much as the GOP already is.

But how sure are you that Trump will win? The polls seem to indicate otherwise, and that's nothing to do with campaign spending or events between now and election day.

Cheer up Trilarion.

It's not the end of the world either way.

The GOP went into the campaign yuuuugely divided which prevented effective resistance to Trump from coalescing. In a sense this is just another symptom of the underlying lack of leadership that is apparent throughout the US body politic across parties. That said, Trump's legacy in terms of reshaping the GOP is TBD. Who knows what will happen. Even if he loses it could happen that he is the future of the GOP. Even if he wins, could be the more traditional GOP reasserts itself as reaction to his presidency. Stranger things have happened...

As emob already expressed, this is shaping up to be overall another Change election. Obama promised change from Bush, now Trump is promising change from Obama, and Clinto is promising more of what Obama delivered. The underlying contexts of dissatisfaction would indicate that change is on the menu, and IMO it's only the idiosyncratic nature of the candidates that camouflages how unwilling the public is to vote. Still, if I have to bet, there will be record attendance - and I mean relative to demographic vote.

So the question to you being, why so sure Trump's chances of wining are low? Or rather, what do you call low? You do realize there's 37 to 40 % assured votes for either of them. The 20 to 26% left can do who knows what and determine the winner.

Fixed. IMDB boards are cancer. I don't mind diving into the occasional unmoderated cesspool, but IMDB boards are filled with such... such mind-crushing idiocy. I'm really at a loss to aptly describe my disgust at what IMDB has become.

It's sad really, I had one of my most fun forum experiences ever on IMDB, but that was years ago. I challenged people on the "Star Trek - The Original Series"-board to come up with the most cliched synopsis for a Star Trek episode ever, and that quickly developed into the forum residents actually writing a whole script for said fictional episode.

Brasas,
Because it's all about marketing on the national stage. On the national and international stage, it all becomes about telling everyone what they want to hear, promise them whatever they want, and then delivering absolutely none of it.

And when it comes to marketing, it's all about timing. Right now with terror attacks, unstable global economy, and all sorts of chaos mechanics, everyone wants a daddy to tell them it's going to be ok, that the monster under the bed has been vanquished.

People look to government for support and comfort the way a child would look to mommy or daddy for love and protection. And right now the world has gone mad, and that's when daddy is wanted. Velvet glove or iron fist? They usually take you to the same place, just in different ways.

Gotcha.

For me personally, it's twilight zone election. But looking behind the "issues" I see it as race between a very unconventional campaign (Trump's) and a political juggernaut (Clinton's). And in normal circunstances that would mean Hillary wins in a blowout - and yet, polls are tightening. I conclude the world is upside down...

What I find most interesting is that Hillary's campign is outspending trump's campaign enourmously, almost 30:1 in some states, yet she's getting nothing out of it.

And that's exactly why if he wins US politics will shift enormously - all sorts of realignments and strategic priorities - even if ideologies remain fixed.

Hard to predict how things will shake out, but as emob says, the fact lots of people are fed up and willing to vote just to see what happens seems to be a huge factor.

The power of being unconventional. Diversity for the win ;)

What scares me is the anti-democratic reaction to these out of left field results. If Trump wins I expect a lot of elitist reaction about broken systems. The underlying issue is precisely that the political leadership abdicated responsibilites and created a vacuum. But they will blame the victim (the masses) for their own failings.

Well, Trump haters do not fear, Shillery will win by a landslide (i hope this is the right expression)
Why ? well she's the established, people complain, and nag all the time, calling for changes, but are afraid of something totally different, so if you want changes you have to take risks, if you dont want to take these, then please dont complain and stop nagging.

Its the same all oevr the world, the established onse will do anything to stay into power, 75% or more of all newsmgazines/news papers be it online or paper based are pro left.... has been for far to many years and will exist for far to many more years.

No matter how many garbage is surfacing , truth is coming out (emails and more evidence)
people will ignore it (at least the majority 60% or so , thats why the establishment will always stay in power)
ex governors and soon to be ex presidents will keep on condemning anyone that doesnt think left (its the same in europe aswell for hundreds of years).

The lefts will never allow to give others a chance, so best thing would be to stop voting , if noone votes, noone can blame theirselves if things dont turn out the way they hoped it would be.

Anyway, its all rigged since the very beginning, and will always stay rigged, so for those who adore Shillery, good news you will get shillery served the next 8 years, after that, you will get michelle as president for another 8 years, all in all you will end up with a 3rd , fourth, five and sixth periode of goverment ala obama styyle...
maybe you even get a male singer/rapper as a president after that for 8 years...

imagine... 8 years Shillery, then 8 years Michelle, then 8 years a singer/rapper.. as presiden (google for his name). all will be left again, and nothing will ever change...
and politically correctness will stay,cause US will always have to sweeten things up, keep everything cosy and will always be the one that has to 'bow' just to keep things going okay......

I noticed that aswell, after watching some videos which are hillarious btw :D
Did you know that it seems that the establishment (the left)(dems) who are supported by the majority of the newsmagazines an networks (i thing fox seems the only one that dares telling some none left propaganda)
are faking the rallies shillery has, seems they dont get that many people while drump as you call him, seems to be getting thousands...

No idea about Trump.

But if Hillary wins, there is a big chance for WW3. Just saying.

......... i fear the same .....
cause shillary only gets cosy with the wrong business partners, while she shoud better do something about the relations with another welknown country...
The sad thing is that apparently the majority of the european countries worship shillary..... cause she is left just like the majority in europe (seems even the dutch government are left, in fact almost anyone in europe seems to have left as a government)

Small parties in europe favor Trump but they call these ones 'bad' people, cause 60% or more loves the current left establishment, who have no back, and always nod yes and say "amen' to everything

Anyway thats why many people stopped voting cause, you never get what you want, i stopped voting long ago....
I'm around for some years now, and as a kid i got used to the fact that most powerfull leaders were men, during my childhood presidents were men, which is the best way imho, except for UK... somehow these people can function very well with a female PM .... most other countries have a man behind the wheel, ow, with the exception of germany , cause merkel is messing up imho....(many germans are coming to the same conclusion ...)

For starters, his only education is from University of Alabama and he was on there because he had an athletic scholarship! In addition, what the hell does being a good shrimper have to do with diplomacy!? Also, let's face it, he's slow! He's stupid! Does anyone really want this country being run by an imbecile who is constantly droning on about fucking chocolates!?!?!


Oh wait.....I thought this was the "Why I don't want Gump to win" thread.

Shit, my bad. Sorry.

Now that's funny!