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melacio: Why Gog there are no games like call of duty , evolve ,shadow of mordors, ryse or dead island?

don't want anyone offended , i like Gog but i wonder if some day come this type of games to Gog
because they're all shit ( with the possible exception of evolve)
Post edited March 26, 2015 by darkredshift
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melacio: Why Gog there are no games like call of duty , evolve ,shadow of mordors, ryse or dead island?

don't want anyone offended , i like Gog but i wonder if some day come this type of games to Gog
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darkredshift: because they're all shit ( with the possible exception of evolve)
Shadow of Mordor is very good as well.
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darkredshift: because they're all shit ( with the possible exception of evolve)
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synfresh: Shadow of Mordor is very good as well.
People can hate or complain about COD games, but even if the story is always the same messy barely non-plot war thing, with never have a big innovation in terms of gameplay, and the multiplayer is over and over the same thing with different graphics, even with all that, COD games are very SOLID products, that bring you many hours of gameplay with enough diversity to be very appealing. Specially Treyarch did very well in the last years, with the Zombies thing, plus more interesting campaigns, and some slight innovations on the Multiplayer.

COD is a game that worth to pay the money that costs in terms of satisfaction in their users, yes, it is a mainstream product, it is not a special, or different jewel, but frankly speaking it is far away from being a BAD game.

RYSE is the worst game in that list, and I didn't tried Evolve, but looks a bit like a "failed" product for similar reasons to TITANFALL, you can only do "multiplayer focused games" if you have the biggest advertisement machine with you, check DESTINY, most overated multiplayer game in the last years.
Post edited March 27, 2015 by YaTEdiGo
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YaTEdiGo: COD is a game that worth to pay the money that costs in terms of satisfaction in their users, yes, it is a mainstream product, it is not a special, or different jewel, but frankly speaking it is far away from being a BAD game.
It very much depends on what you define as good or bad. I don't consider such games good. By "mainstream" you mean dulled, averaged mass market commercialized work. Comparing it to really good games which are true works of art is like comparing some pulp fiction to timeless masterpieces.

Something being mass market is not a definition of being good. In art it's usually the opposite actually.
Post edited March 27, 2015 by shmerl
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YaTEdiGo: COD is a game that worth to pay the money that costs in terms of satisfaction in their users, yes, it is a mainstream product, it is not a special, or different jewel, but frankly speaking it is far away from being a BAD game.
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shmerl: It very much depends on what you define as good or bad. I don't consider such games good. By "mainstream" you mean dulled, averaged mass market commercialized work. Comparing it to really good games which are true works of art is like comparing some pulp fiction to timeless masterpieces.

Something being mass market is not a definition of being good. In art it's usually the opposite actually.
Agree, but for a Mainstream product, COD is GREAT, it is complete, it is funny, it is solid. Of course if you ask me which game has more soul, COD or SYSTEM SHOCK2, I will have no doubts about which one to choose.

Ah, and probably some of the COD games, they are masterpieces. Not all of them of course. But the first Modern Warfare was a game that changed many things, and it did it well. I should also add that the art direction in all the COD games, even if it is only about war, war, and war... is really good.
Post edited March 27, 2015 by YaTEdiGo
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synfresh: Shadow of Mordor is very good as well.
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YaTEdiGo: People can hate or complain about COD games, but even if the story is always the same messy barely non-plot war thing, with never have a big innovation in terms of gameplay, and the multiplayer is over and over the same thing with different graphics, even with all that, COD games are very SOLID products, that bring you many hours of gameplay with enough diversity to be very appealing. Specially Treyarch did very well in the last years, with the Zombies thing, plus more interesting campaigns, and some slight innovations on the Multiplayer.

COD is a game that worth to pay the money that costs in terms of satisfaction in their users, yes, it is a mainstream product, it is not a special, or different jewel, but frankly speaking it is far away from being a BAD game.

RYSE is the worst game in that list, and I didn't tried Evolve, but looks a bit like a "failed" product for similar reasons to TITANFALL, you can only do "multiplayer focused games" if you have the biggest advertisement machine with you, check DESTINY, most overated multiplayer game in the last years.
The only COD game I played or found enjoyable was MW2. I might try MW1 and 3 but the rest of them are awful. I didn't play Mordor because I hate lord of the rings (Tolkien fantasies suck you see except Elder scrolls, mainly Skyrim or game of thrones)
What games in large companies are advertised to Gog?
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YaTEdiGo: COD is a game that worth to pay the money that costs in terms of satisfaction in their users, yes, it is a mainstream product, it is not a special, or different jewel, but frankly speaking it is far away from being a BAD game.
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shmerl: It very much depends on what you define as good or bad. I don't consider such games good. By "mainstream" you mean dulled, averaged mass market commercialized work. Comparing it to really good games which are true works of art is like comparing some pulp fiction to timeless masterpieces.

Something being mass market is not a definition of being good. In art it's usually the opposite actually.
Depends what you define as 'mainstream'. Is the Borderlands franchise mainstream? Is Portal 2 (or any of the valve games)? The Elder Scrolls games certainly are as well as Dragon Age/Mass Effect and most of these are all very solid products. Just because a game is 'mainstream' doesn't automatically mean it's bad.
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synfresh: The Elder Scrolls games certainly are as well as Dragon Age/Mass Effect and most of these are all very solid products.
Not really "solid" in my view. The last good ES game was Morrowind probably. Which was an RPG. The later ones simply became 3D sandboxes without much of the essence and story. And mass market is to blame, no doubt. In order to appeal to broad audience, the depth of such games is reduced to a minimum.

Can't say much about DA games, I didn't try any of them. But from what I've heard form others, they aren't on the same level of RPG quality as let's say Witcher games. Again, mass market appeal I guess. If you are interested in serious RPGs, don't turn to Biowares and Bethesdas of the world. Try CD Projekt Red, inXile, Obsidian, OtherSide and the like.

And that's not surprising and easily explained by legacy publishers' approach. They want to sell more at the cost of quality. If it means gutting the artistic depth and forbidding innovation and experiments, they don't care. And that's quite common for many so called "AAA" publishers. Independent studios on the other hand are more often real innovators and they try to follow their artistic vision instead of chasing mass market to increase profits.
Post edited March 27, 2015 by shmerl
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synfresh: . Just because a game is 'mainstream' doesn't automatically mean it's bad.
It doesn't, but it can easily translate into it. It depends on approach to creativity. If publishers limit it for the sake of more money, you won't get a good result.
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synfresh: The Elder Scrolls games certainly are as well as Dragon Age/Mass Effect and most of these are all very solid products.
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shmerl: Not really "solid" in my view. The last good ES game was Morrowind probably. Which was an RPG. The later ones simply became 3D sandboxes without much of the essence and story. And mass market is to blame, no doubt. In order to appeal to broad audience, the depth of such games is reduced to a minimum.

Can't say much about DA games, I didn't try any of them. But from what I've heard form others, they aren't on the same level of RPG quality as let's say Witcher games. Again, mass market appeal I guess. If you are interested in serious RPGs, don't turn to Biowares and Bethesdas of the world. Try CD Projekt Red, inXile, Obsidian, OtherSide and the like.

And that's not surprising and easily explained by legacy publishers' approach. They want to sell more at the cost of quality. If it means gutting the artistic depth and forbidding innovation and experiments, they don't care. And that's quite common for many so called "AAA" publishers. Independent studios on the other hand are more often real innovators and they try to follow their artistic vision instead of chasing mass market to increase profits.
That's just your own personal taste though. I agree there are a number of games that get simplified and have no depth/quality but that's not true for everything. Dragon Age:Origins is a great game. I've played plenty of RPG's, including Witcher series. Also keep in mind that not everyone has the same taste in RPG. Skyrim is very good, especially with mods. It's just a different type of RPG is all.

AAA publishers are going to continue to churn out your COD's and other 'mass market' games because people buy them. For all the complaints of just boring yearly iterations with just a newer coat of paint, these same titles still manage to sell millions of copies. But there are always diamonds in the rough, even from AAA publishers. Games like Dark Souls (Bandai Namco), Shadow of Mordor (WB), Far Cry 4, and Alien: Isolation
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synfresh: That's just your own personal taste though
Some of it is of course subjective, but the problem of commercialized and mass market art still remains. Even many game developers admit this issue and voiced their experiences of working with legacy publishers vs. independent production and how they could achieve something with the later which couldn't have been possible with the former because publishers "don't get it" (i.e. they don't think it's going to sell massively).

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synfresh: AAA publishers are going to continue to churn out your COD's and other 'mass market' games because people buy them. For all the complaints of just boring yearly iterations with just a newer coat of paint, these same titles still manage to sell millions of copies.
No doubt about it, but who cares. I don't really buy such games. It's the same with many other things. There is mass market commercialized art which comes out on short term regular basis and is quickly forgotten soon, and there are timeless masterpieces which live on.

Luckily more and more interesting and innovate games are released these days.

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synfresh: But there are always diamonds in the rough, even from AAA publishers. Games like Dark Souls (Bandai Namco), Shadow of Mordor (WB), Far Cry 4, and Alien: Isolation
Sure, there can be great releases funded even by legacy publishers, as well as there can be bad ones from indie developers. I was just talking about the potential and limits that are placed on those different approaches to development.
Post edited March 27, 2015 by shmerl
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shmerl: It very much depends on what you define as good or bad. I don't consider such games good. By "mainstream" you mean dulled, averaged mass market commercialized work. Comparing it to really good games which are true works of art is like comparing some pulp fiction to timeless masterpieces.

Something being mass market is not a definition of being good. In art it's usually the opposite actually.
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YaTEdiGo: Agree, but for a Mainstream product, COD is GREAT, it is complete, it is funny, it is solid. Of course if you ask me which game has more soul, COD or SYSTEM SHOCK2, I will have no doubts about which one to choose.

Ah, and probably some of the COD games, they are masterpieces. Not all of them of course. But the first Modern Warfare was a game that changed many things, and it did it well. I should also add that the art direction in all the COD games, even if it is only about war, war, and war... is really good.
But actual war ( war in games as opposed to violent killing in games) is boring against humans unless you're talking steampunk Nazis from Wolfenstein the new order, the Triad Pictures mercenaries and Oscuro monks from Rise of the Triad or Cabal cultists from Blood. And if you want pointless violence against irritating but morally questionable humans, then there's always the BOBs from Marathon.
Post edited March 27, 2015 by darkredshift
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melacio: A new drm:

Here's what EAs DRM is doing, they don't just verify the number of PCs you work on slash use, nope .. they dare to monitor hardware changes now, which I am sure is a privacy breach on many levels. So once we insert new hardware (CPU / mobo or graphics cards) the hardware id # hash changes and if that happens a couple of times they are rendering your activation invalid.
What a bunch of rubbish ....
If this is the future for EA titles then you guys can forget about VGA performance reviews as EA is rendering that pretty much impossible now. I've now been waiting for like 3 or 4 hours and we are still locked out of the game. The only way to solve this would be purchasing another key and setup a secondary account. This means that if we'd like to make a VGA performance review on Battelfield Hardline with a card or 20 we'd need to purchase the game three times.
EA - guys we understand your piracy and cheating/hacking concerns, but STOP pissing off your user-base with this STUPID DRM non-sense. Christ almighty, at what point will the industry realize they are killing the PC game market themselves ?

Please,you don,t buy battlefield hardline
Does DA Inquisition do this? If it has this DRM then I regret buying it.
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YaTEdiGo: Agree, but for a Mainstream product, COD is GREAT, it is complete, it is funny, it is solid. Of course if you ask me which game has more soul, COD or SYSTEM SHOCK2, I will have no doubts about which one to choose.

Ah, and probably some of the COD games, they are masterpieces. Not all of them of course. But the first Modern Warfare was a game that changed many things, and it did it well. I should also add that the art direction in all the COD games, even if it is only about war, war, and war... is really good.
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darkredshift: But actual war ( war in games as opposed to violent killing in games) is boring against humans unless you're talking steampunk Nazis from Wolfenstein the new order, the Triad Pictures mercenaries and Oscuro monks from Rise of the Triad or Cabal cultists from Blood. And if you want pointless violence against irritating but morally questionable humans, then there's always the BOBs from Marathon.
I would disagree about war in video games being boring. Operation Flashpoint GOTY's 3 campaigns are among the best campaigns I've ever played. The difference is in the game mechanics. You're absolutely correct that the new Wolfenstein was improved by including steampunk. It's also the only game I can remember where you get to liberate a death camp.
Post edited March 27, 2015 by jabotinsky1948
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melacio: A new drm:

Here's what EAs DRM is doing, they don't just verify the number of PCs you work on slash use, nope .. they dare to monitor hardware changes now, which I am sure is a privacy breach on many levels. So once we insert new hardware (CPU / mobo or graphics cards) the hardware id # hash changes and if that happens a couple of times they are rendering your activation invalid.
What a bunch of rubbish ....
If this is the future for EA titles then you guys can forget about VGA performance reviews as EA is rendering that pretty much impossible now. I've now been waiting for like 3 or 4 hours and we are still locked out of the game. The only way to solve this would be purchasing another key and setup a secondary account. This means that if we'd like to make a VGA performance review on Battelfield Hardline with a card or 20 we'd need to purchase the game three times.
EA - guys we understand your piracy and cheating/hacking concerns, but STOP pissing off your user-base with this STUPID DRM non-sense. Christ almighty, at what point will the industry realize they are killing the PC game market themselves ?

Please,you don,t buy battlefield hardline
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jabotinsky1948: Does DA Inquisition do this? If it has this DRM then I regret buying it.
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darkredshift: But actual war ( war in games as opposed to violent killing in games) is boring against humans unless you're talking steampunk Nazis from Wolfenstein the new order, the Triad Pictures mercenaries and Oscuro monks from Rise of the Triad or Cabal cultists from Blood. And if you want pointless violence against irritating but morally questionable humans, then there's always the BOBs from Marathon.
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jabotinsky1948: I would disagree about war in video games being boring. Operation Flashpoint GOTY's 3 campaigns are among the best campaigns I've ever played. The difference is in the game mechanics. You're absolutely correct that the new Wolfenstein was improved by including steampunk. It's also the only game I can remember where you get to liberate a death camp.
Some wars or the build-up to them in games can be rather interesting. you just don't see it that often. good examples include the Combine in Half Life 2, the Arabia occupation in Spec Ops: the Line (though I'm yet to play it. it is good from what I've heard though), MJ12 controlled America in Deus Ex and Deus Ex Human Revolution, Ryan vs Atlas in Bioshock and their Columbia equivalents, the different factions in Assassins Creed, every single Splinter Cell bad guy, the list could go on if I could think of any others.