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General discussionWhy Gog there are no games like call of duty , evolve ,shadow of mordors, ryse or dead island?(187 posts)(187 posts)
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Posted March 24, 2015
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Silverhawk170485: When it comes to FPS, Bulletstorm would be nice.
Yeah. Especially because it's one of the few games still riddled with GFWL.
Post edited March 24, 2015 by ElTerprise
Posted March 24, 2015
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melacio: The achievements are a success, but the users in steam requested a valve that would put an achievements with punctuation and valve did not do so.i i am not a big fan of the achievements but Gog should put achievements with score because it would attract more players
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YaTEdiGo: There are also many players that we do not care about achievements, cards, and any other stuff like that. Do you really think that big publishers are going to launch new games without DRM? I worked for them, dream on.
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melacio: The first thing you have to do Gog is to create a social community online (integrated voice chat,achievements,profiles,friends list ... ) ,attract some of the major developers and listen to the users.When Gog has a strong community can begin to compete with steam.
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YaTEdiGo: Yes and NO. Galaxy is doing this in their own way, developers and publishers do not listen to the users, they listen to the market and their interests, that mostly match partially with the users, this is business, make big games costs a LOT of Money, distribute them, pay salaries, advertise and tons of things. About the other point, GOG has no need to compete with STEAM, it is a total different business, if it were the same, GOG should be doing aggressive maneuvers like not publish the same games as STEAM does, someone said ORIGIN?

GOG is what is it because is DIFFERENT.

By the way, do you think ACTIVISION is going to release a DRM free "NEW" COD so you can share your copy with all your friends to play online Modern Warfare or Black Ops?
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melacio: This community is strong because we need a platform like Gog,where there is no drm and listened to the users.But if Gog does not sell games of the big distributors at the end of the day, we at Gog few users.
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YaTEdiGo: I am sorry to tell you this really clearly. But this community and the success of the website was build over a total different premise, and it worked out well enough to even bring here people like you, demanding to have COD or EVOLVE, multiplayer focused games, without DRM, seriously...

It is not going to happen, but you can wait maybe 1 or 2 years to play the first COD games, pre-modern warfare, I wonder if you see that COD games never drop bellow 10-15 euros, (more or less) not even the old ones, not even in the STEAM sales.
You have no idea,Gog was built to grow,it is a community that seeks to accommodate all kinds of public but always respecting the rights of the users.Gog but sells the games of the main publishers in the medium term has no future.It is sad because Gog is a wonderful platform,but grows llegsran other game platforms and end up with Gog.
Posted March 24, 2015
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synfresh: What 'growing' competition?
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shmerl: Did you read CDPR / GOG financial reports? GOG sales are growing. More distributors - more competition amongst distributors (you aren't likely to buy the same thing from two sources, so distributors are competing for users). Pretty straightforward economics, no rocket science here.
Growing financials compared to what? If you did 1 million in sales one year and 2 million the next year, you had had 'growing sales'. Congrats, you now represent perhaps 5% of the entire digital marketplace. It's about the bigger picture.

Perhaps the better question is what sacrifices has GoG made to even get those growing financials? Also last I checked there hasn't been a flood of recent releases here. Plenty of older stuff too (LucasArts), which is great because the average person who even knows GoG exists (it ain't that big of a crowd in the grand scheme of things) thinks GoG is more of a classic game marketplace anyway.
Posted March 24, 2015
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YaTEdiGo: There are also many players that we do not care about achievements, cards, and any other stuff like that. Do you really think that big publishers are going to launch new games without DRM? I worked for them, dream on.

Yes and NO. Galaxy is doing this in their own way, developers and publishers do not listen to the users, they listen to the market and their interests, that mostly match partially with the users, this is business, make big games costs a LOT of Money, distribute them, pay salaries, advertise and tons of things. About the other point, GOG has no need to compete with STEAM, it is a total different business, if it were the same, GOG should be doing aggressive maneuvers like not publish the same games as STEAM does, someone said ORIGIN?

GOG is what is it because is DIFFERENT.

By the way, do you think ACTIVISION is going to release a DRM free "NEW" COD so you can share your copy with all your friends to play online Modern Warfare or Black Ops?

I am sorry to tell you this really clearly. But this community and the success of the website was build over a total different premise, and it worked out well enough to even bring here people like you, demanding to have COD or EVOLVE, multiplayer focused games, without DRM, seriously...

It is not going to happen, but you can wait maybe 1 or 2 years to play the first COD games, pre-modern warfare, I wonder if you see that COD games never drop bellow 10-15 euros, (more or less) not even the old ones, not even in the STEAM sales.
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melacio: You have no idea,Gog was built to grow,it is a community that seeks to accommodate all kinds of public but always respecting the rights of the users.Gog but sells the games of the main publishers in the medium term has no future.It is sad because Gog is a wonderful platform,but grows llegsran other game platforms and end up with Gog.
Sure, make your own distribution platform.

Seriously, your desires are not what it moves the game industry. It is the PROFIT, and there is NOTHING profitable in sell Modern Warfare here to you without DRM.
Posted March 24, 2015
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shmerl: Did you read CDPR / GOG financial reports? GOG sales are growing. More distributors - more competition amongst distributors (you aren't likely to buy the same thing from two sources, so distributors are competing for users). Pretty straightforward economics, no rocket science here.
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synfresh: Growing financials compared to what?
Growing means growing, comparing to their past sales.

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synfresh: If you did 1 million in sales one year and 2 million the next year, you had had 'growing sales'.
Which means more competition (in this case from the DRM-free distributor), exactly what we need to improve the situation.

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synfresh: Perhaps the better question is what sacrifices has GoG made to even get those growing financials?
To get more sales GOG has to attract more users and more developers and publishers. Quite a few legacy ones joined lately (Disney, WB, etc.). GOG user base is growing as well. Plus, gaming studios landscape is gradually changing, with more and more studios releasing games DRM-free. Just pay attention.

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synfresh: the average person who even knows GoG exists (it ain't that big of a crowd in the grand scheme of things) thinks GoG is more of a classic game marketplace anyway.
Not anymore, since times GOG started selling new games.

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synfresh: Also last I checked there hasn't been a flood of recent releases here.
I guess you don't visit GOG that often then :) GOG had many recent releases from DRM-free studios.
Post edited March 24, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 24, 2015
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synfresh: Growing financials compared to what?
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shmerl: Growing means growing, comparing to their past sales.

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synfresh: If you did 1 million in sales one year and 2 million the next year, you had had 'growing sales'.
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shmerl: Which means more competition (in this case from the DRM-free distributor), exactly what we need to improve the situation.

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synfresh: Perhaps the better question is what sacrifices has GoG made to even get those growing financials?
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shmerl: To get more sales GOG has to attract more users and more developers and publishers. Quite a few legacy ones joined lately (Disney, WB, etc.). GOG user base is growing as well. Plus, gaming studios landscape is gradually changing, with more and more studios releasing games DRM-free. Just pay attention.

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synfresh: the average person who even knows GoG exists (it ain't that big of a crowd in the grand scheme of things) thinks GoG is more of a classic game marketplace anyway.
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shmerl: Not anymore, since times GOG started selling new games.

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synfresh: Also last I checked there hasn't been a flood of recent releases here.
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shmerl: I guess you don't visit GOG that often then :) GOG had many recent releases from DRM-free studios.
The simple point to all of this is you can't be a major player in the digital marketplace if you only offer a third of titles that are available. Big name publishers see no reason to publish their games DRM-Free because there are plenty of case studies where your average consumer would prefer to buy the game on Steam if available there. Worse yet, they are more willing to buy the game from Humble Bundle because the Humble store will give them a Steam key. That's what I meant by my initial question, how do you think DRM-Free has impacted Steam. And the reality is it has not. Your average PC gamer is going to buy games based on two criteria first and foremost. Price and availability. GoG most of the time never gets to compete on that 2nd point (availability) because they don't sell the title and although the reason is largely because the game isn't available DRM-Free, it's not the only reason. There are plenty of example where indie games are available DRM-Free and GoG chooses not to sell them.
Posted March 24, 2015
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synfresh: The simple point to all of this is you can't be a major player in the digital marketplace if you only offer a third of titles that are available.
No. GOG is already a big player, and has a loyal user base. Some publishers already noticed that and profit by partnering with GOG. So your "can't" is already "can and is".
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synfresh: how do you think DRM-Free has impacted Steam. And the reality is it has not.
And you didn't pay attention to my answer above. It doesn't matter how it impacts Steam. It's irrelevant now. What matters is how it impacts developers and publishers. And there is a clear trend to release more games DRM-free. As well as a trend of reducing influence of legacy publishers on gaming studios (thanks to crowdfunding mostly). So DRM-free will grow. GOG will grow. Eventually most publishers will be releasing DRM-free. How it will impact Steam? Who cares. May be Valve will decide at some point to ditch DRM, who knows. The main point is, there will be more choice.
Post edited March 24, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 24, 2015
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synfresh: The simple point to all of this is you can't be a major player in the digital marketplace if you only offer a third of titles that are available.
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shmerl: No. GOG is already a big player, and has a loyal user base. Some publishers already noticed that and profit by partnering with GOG. So your "can't" is already "can and is".
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synfresh: how do you think DRM-Free has impacted Steam. And the reality is it has not.
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shmerl: And you didn't pay attention to my answer above. It doesn't matter how it impacts Steam. It's irrelevant now. What matters is how it impacts developers and publishers. And there is a clear trend to release more games DRM-free. As well as a trend of reducing influence of legacy publishers on gaming studios (thanks to crowdfunding mostly). So DRM-free will grow. GOG will grow. Eventually most publishers will be releasing DRM-free. How it will impact Steam? Who cares. May be Valve will decide at some point to ditch DRM, who knows. The main point is, there will be more choice.
I'm not really sure what trend you are seeing unless it only involve indie games and the occasional kickstarted game. Here are your top releases on Steam currently (i've removed valve games and early access):

GTA V
Cities: Skylines
Pillars of Eternity
Arma III
Metal Gear Solid V
Civ V: Complete
Borderlands 2: GOTY
Ori and the Blind Forest
Borderlands: The Pre Sequel
Dragon Ball XENOVERSE
Game of Thrones - A Telltale Game Series
Evolve

Now, out of that list, how many are available here? These aren't game that just came out yesterday by the way. Where are these publishers wanting to sell those games here? Paradox just started putting games here again, where is Cities: Skylines? Warner Bros started selling games here, where is Shadows of Mordor? Bethesda's loves DRM-Free that they are finally going to bring back Fallout here, right?

Do you know what the ultimate problem with why publishers don't put those games here? Because a good number of GoG users are already Steam users (there is a decent sized group there, check it out). And they have no problem with that. Because they view GoG as a service that compliments Steam, not directly competes with it. I bet you publishers think this as well.
Post edited March 24, 2015 by synfresh
Posted March 24, 2015
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synfresh: I'm not really sure what trend you are seeing unless it only involve indie games and the occasional kickstarted game. Here are your top releases on Steam currently (i've removed valve games and early access):
Trend is a growing amount of high quality games released DRM-free. I clearly see it. Most of them are from studios which aren't controlled by legacy publishers at present (Larian, inXile, Double Fine, Obsidian and so on). But trend is clearly here. I.e. growth. And it's good.

I don't really care about GTA and other such DRM garbage. It can get lost. I care about good DRM-free games, and that's why I buy from GOG.
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synfresh: Do you know what the ultimate problem with why publishers don't put those games here? Because a good number of GoG users are already Steam users (there is a decent sized group there, check it out). And they have no problem with that. Because they view GoG as a service that compliments Steam, not directly competes with it. I bet you publishers think this as well.
Can you show any numbers for that? From what I've heard from many GOG users, they don't use Steam. And there are a lot of such GOG users here. GOG isn't accidenatl
Post edited March 24, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 24, 2015
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synfresh: I'm not really sure what trend you are seeing unless it only involve indie games and the occasional kickstarted game.
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shmerl: (Larian, inXile, Double Fine, Obsidian and so on).
I rest my case. I guess anything not sold here is DRM garbage, but not everyone thinks this way. Hence why the OP posed the initial question.
Posted March 24, 2015
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shmerl: (Larian, inXile, Double Fine, Obsidian and so on).
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synfresh: I rest my case. I guess anything not sold here is DRM garbage, but not everyone thinks this way. Hence why the OP posed the initial question.
Your question was not about who cares about DRMed games, but about trends and changes in the DRM vs DRM-free situation. And I'll repeat, DRM-free releases are growing. And number of serious DRM-free studios grows as well (other recent additions - Other Side Entertainment and Compulsion Games). Influence of legacy publishers therefore is decreasing. It's good for us, who vote with our wallets to avoid DRM. And legacy publishers can get lost or start releasing DRM-free like the growing number of their competitors. Q.E.D.
Post edited March 24, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 24, 2015
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Shmacky-McNuts: Why do you people think this is incentive to play a game?

The entire reason to play the game is to...oh, I dunno...play the purchased game. Not to have a gimmick to try to motivate me to play something that was probably garbage to begin with. Such is with "achievements". If a game sucks that badly, why the hell should that get me to play more of it when that was the reason people are supposed to turn it on?

Like trying to motivate the people in the funny farm to do stuff because they are so doped up they cannot enjoy life on its own =(
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HiPhish: That's exactly my thought when it comes to unlocking game content. The answer I immediately get is something along the line of "if there was nothing to unlock I would not have the motivation to play the game". Is it just me or is that the stupidest thing to say? If you need a carrot on a stick to keep you playing the game, it is not good and you shouldn't be wasting your time to begin with.

Take FTL as a example: I'm not saying the game should give you a fully powered ship and just jump you to the last boss, that's boring, but why do I have only the boring ship (Kestrel) at hand? All the other ships have to be unlocked through random events that may or may not happen on a run. If FTL is an RPG the ships are the classes. No RPG will force you to play the game as a fighter before unlocking the mage or rogue class. And yes, I know that some ships are better than others, but so what? In AD&D the cleric class was overpowered as well, but you still didn't have to unlock the cleric in Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale.

Unreal Tournamet 2004 is a game with no unlockable content, and people are still playing it to this day. It has a single player campaign mode where you gradually unlock content and fight your way up in the tournament, but outside of that mode everything is unlocked by default.
He person said they were joking, after I wrote this. But I agree with you also.

When people are serious(not that person), they just sadden me that the legions of stupid people that are dominating the planet in every facet. Not just video games =(
Posted March 24, 2015
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synfresh: I rest my case. I guess anything not sold here is DRM garbage, but not everyone thinks this way. Hence why the OP posed the initial question.
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shmerl: Your question was not about who cares about DRMed games, but about trends and changes in the DRM vs DRM-free situation. And I'll repeat, DRM-free releases are growing. And number of serious DRM-free studios grows as well (other recent additions - Other Side Entertainment and Compulsion Games). Influence of legacy publishers therefore is decreasing. It's good for us, who vote with our wallets to avoid DRM. And legacy publishers can get lost or start releasing DRM-free like the growing number of their competitors. Q.E.D.
Maybe all the years voting with our wallets finally achieved something.
I'm still considering whether my next PC shall have Win7 or be completely DRM free again but since the performance of Dolphin with Nvidia cards is good (although I don't like Nvidias business practices either) thanks to the community drivers and more and more big games get Linux support anyway, I may ditch Windows completely with my next PC and maybe use this one here for WinXP only.
Post edited March 24, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted March 24, 2015
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Klumpen0815: Maybe all the years voting with our wallets finally achieved something.
I'm still considering whether my next PC shall have Win7 or be completely DRM free again but since the performance of Dolphin with Nvidia cards is good (although I don't like Nvidias business practices either) thanks to the community drivers and more and more big games get Linux support anyway, I may ditch Windows completely with my next PC and maybe use this one here for WinXP only.
Services like GOG are critical for changing this landscape (since publishers are more likely to pay attention to a major distributor than to your individual choice to ignore them). And our "votes" support GOG and allow them to continue this effort. So it's a two way street.

I'm glad you are considering ditching Windows. Many games now work in Wine pretty well, so even having Windows XP is not necessary really. The only exception are DX11 only games, which won't work on XP anyway and DX11 support isn't likely to arrive to Wine any time soon. But there is some hope from Vulkan side for the future. DX12 to Vulkan translation would be a much easier effort for Wine, than implementing DX11 to OpenGL 4.x.
Post edited March 24, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 24, 2015
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Nirth: I agree, but it would increase their revenue and make GOG a stronger distributor on the market. Of course, it would make GOG more popular and moderators would have to be required most likely. Even less focus on older games and the slow, inevitable glide towards "social" features.
I have to question if it really would. These games tend to be permanently abandoned once their fanbases are done with them, they don't really have 'legs' as it were in terms of longevity. These games won't be remembered as classics or looked upon in 10 years with a fond smile. Unlike Super Mario Bros 3, Earthbound, Minecraft, Roller Coaster Tycoon 1-3, and more games that will be enshrined and remembered evermore.
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