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Leroux: So GOG is Girl-On-Girl now? (I won't even comment on rest, lol.) :D
Well, at least now we know a feasible secondary business option for GOG.com in case the whole "games" thing doesn't work out...
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Protoss: I translated this with the UbiSoft engine:
So Girl-On-Girl, tu nicht machen das gleichen Fehler. Löschen den Hermann Netzstätte und Foren auf einmal, oder benutzen Australien Gesetze. Oder lassen MICH simpel benutzen die UNS Version, als Sie taten in das Vergangenheit. Falls Sie begutachten in mein Konto, Sie Konservendose claerly sehen, dieses ich benutze einzige englische Versionen. Meistens wegen ich wirklich hasse die eingekotete Transspätungen.
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Leroux: So GOG is Girl-On-Girl now? (I won't even comment on rest, lol.) :D
I did wonder what was up with that, but the first conclusion I came up with is the same as yours. I'm still debating whether or not to start referencing GOG.com as girl-on-girl.com.
I'm guessing that after all these "changes" VPN use will explode and many of those vpn-ing customers will also discover Russia(RU)/Nine_Former_Soviet_Republics(UZ) and their special prices ... so I wonder what other "nice" surprises will this bring to how gog is doing business in the future ;(

Also, couldnt gog had launched an Austrian webshop instead of a german one, which follows the austrian laws (meaning no censorship at all), and since austrian language is the same with german language they'd practically have a german shop without all the censoring/bullshit?

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Ganni1987: The only question I would like an answer from the GOG team is only one: Can we, non German/Australian goglodytes gift such games to people who live in those countries?
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Pardinuz: I'm pretty sure you can't.
I'm pretty sure you can.
Post edited February 28, 2015 by mobutu
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Fenixp: Taking away the symbol does not deal with the problem.
That's right - but giving it away to those people doesn't either.

It only gives 'em ONE symbol to unite under.

More so, it gives them THE ONE symbol to unite under.

THE ONE symbol, they so desperately crave for.

Really, we could argue back and forth about this point, but only to no avail.

Ok, I'm out (for the moment).
My mom is in the hospital, and I want to visit her.

See your replies later.
Post edited February 28, 2015 by BreOl72
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BreOl72: Vor der Veröffentlichung jeder Spielversion füllt der Publisher ein Online-Bewertungs- und Anmeldeformular aus. Der erste Teil des Formulars betrifft Rechtsvorschriften bestimmter europäischer Länder(*).

(*) Deutschland wäre dann eines dieser Länder, und seine Rechtsvorschriften würden ebenfalls in eine Bewertung einfließen.
Germany would then be one of these countries, and its laws would have to be applied to find a fitting rating.
Thanks, didn't know that. But as this confirms, this is only one of the laws that would need to be changed.
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Leroux: So GOG is Girl-On-Girl now? (I won't even comment on rest, lol.) :D
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Maighstir: I did wonder what was up with that, but the first conclusion I came up with is the same as yours. I'm still debating whether or not to start referencing GOG.com as girl-on-girl.com.
Heh, I translated this myself, it was intended as a joke. And GOG stands for Girl On Girl longer than GOG.com is around. :-)


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BreOl72: Ok, I'm out (for the moment).
My mom is in the hospital, and I want to visit her.
Gute Besserung!
Post edited February 28, 2015 by Protoss
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BreOl72: It only gives 'em ONE symbol to unite under.

More so, it gives them THE ONE symbol to unite under.

THE ONE symbol, they so desperately crave for.
Oh I don't care about the symbol per se, I just hate that games using them in historical context or indeed people using them in different cultural context in wester culture could be prosecuted. My other point was a lot more general - the reason why people need to use Nazi symbolism is not Nazi symbolism. If you ban that symbol, they're going to unite under different ones, it matters very little. The point I was trying to make is that by placing so much importance on what is superficial, like this symbol, we actively turn our attention away from much more widespread and abstract social issues which drive people towards the need to unite under such symbols in the first place. It's not Nazi swastica we need to deal with, it's the general xenophobia, racism and hatered we need to deal with. Flu won't get cured by dimming pain, it gets cured by defeating the virus.

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BreOl72: My mom is in the hospital, and I want to visit her.
Best wishes to your mother then. Unless she's in a hospital for a routine check or something, in which case, best wishes to her anyway, never hurts to have those.
Edit: Ninjad by Fenixp and I think he said what I wanted in a much better way.

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BreOl72: Ok, I'm out (for the moment).
My mom is in the hospital, and I want to visit her.

See your replies later.
Hope it all works out ok.
Post edited February 28, 2015 by rotorde
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Gnostic: Then restriction before sale is non existant? You mean I don't need to pay and can get access to all game download on GOG website?
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deleted_user:
I'm not saying that's not a restriction... I'm saying it's not a DRM restriction. One does not = the other.
Are GoG download not digital goods? Restriction of download before sales not rights management?

Look the earliest DRM is this form. Destructive DRM is just a subset of DRM.

However, now people forget about that because they hardly notice it, and what they notice is the Destructive DRM. Now people just recognize Destructive DRM as simply DRM.

You are right in the case of DRM may not be Destructive DRM, but it is a DRM restriction. Even your password to protect your GOG account is DRM as it restrict other people from downloading the games you pay for.
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MrBoat: I don't understand this german laws. As far as I know, every kid in Germany studied over and over the early XX century, specially the fascist dictatorships and WWII. With such a dedication to teach the kids the history of your country, and what happened, it's nonsense that they censor anything nazi related on video games.
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BreOl72: Absolutely, every kid in Germany learns...
Very interesting, BreOl72. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and point of view on this matter.
Certainly, it makes sense.

In Spain we didn't have a great war or a foreign country destroying and dividing us, so our democracy, based in the mutual respect of both parts of our civil war (where fascist won, and we lived a fascist/militarist dictatorship until 1975-1978) never made a law banning political symbols. This way, it's pretty usual to find swastikas and pre-democracy flags in public.
However, I don't think that Spanish society looks at the old symbols with joy, but with shame. Of course, we have our own neo-nazis here, but as far as I know, they don't represent a threat.

Thanks again, see you on the GOG forums.
What the hell is wrong with you people!?


I love saurkraut!
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Gnostic: Are GoG download not digital goods? Restriction of download before sales not rights management?

Look the earliest DRM is this form. Destructive DRM is just a subset of DRM.

However, now people forget about that because they hardly notice it, and what they notice is the Destructive DRM. Now people just recognize Destructive DRM as simply DRM.

You are right in the case of DRM may not be Destructive DRM, but it is a DRM restriction. Even your password to protect your GOG account is DRM as it restrict other people from downloading the games you pay for.
The part of DRM that I have always worried about and is the reason I joined gog is that which restrict me from installing and running the game when I have acquired it, when I have it in my handif you will. That is what I have always called DRM and it seems clear to me now that just saying DRM no longer works well since people have different ideas about the semantics. You can get extreme if you want and say things like "sofware A is not compiled into a instruction set that my cpu X uses therefore it uses DRM and should not be on gog".

So basically, what it comes down to is what people think gogs "mission" is.
BTW the gifting trick seems to work.

For now.
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ShadowWulfe: What the hell is wrong with you people!?

I love saurkraut!
In a hot dog, it's great.


***Or a hot-dog.
Post edited February 28, 2015 by realkman666
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BreOl72: That's right - but giving it away to those people doesn't either.

It only gives 'em ONE symbol to unite under.

More so, it gives them THE ONE symbol to unite under.

THE ONE symbol, they so desperately crave for.

Really, we could argue back and forth about this point, but only to no avail.

Ok, I'm out (for the moment).
My mom is in the hospital, and I want to visit her.

See your replies later.
Nobody here asked for a free use of the Swastika symbol. What everyone questions is, that the use of it in games is prohibited. This point in the current system is bullshit and I'd sign that anytime.
However, if german gamers want that and all it's unnecessary restrictions because of it to change, that's in the responsibility of german gamers - not GOG, Valve with Steam or any other party.

Gute Besserung für Deine Mutter.