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vpn would fix this no?
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DreamedArtist: vpn would fix this no?
For now.
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deleted_user:
I'm not saying that's not a restriction... I'm saying it's not a DRM restriction. One does not = the other.
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Gnostic: Are GoG download not digital goods? Restriction of download before sales not rights management?

Look the earliest DRM is this form. Destructive DRM is just a subset of DRM.

However, now people forget about that because they hardly notice it, and what they notice is the Destructive DRM. Now people just recognize Destructive DRM as simply DRM.

You are right in the case of DRM may not be Destructive DRM, but it is a DRM restriction. Even your password to protect your GOG account is DRM as it restrict other people from downloading the games you pay for.
I'm done with this discussion.

One can't even follow this logic, it makes no sense. A product has DRM or it does not. The digital good itself (what your actually downloading) is not being restricted, your ability to buy it is. This is not DRM. The ability to buy something or not buy something is capitalism. I can take the same thing your saying and apply it to literary anything... my Amazon account by your logic is DRM even if it has more to to do with buying all types of goods rather than media like games, which was what the term was originally used for. Your trying to apply the term DRM to a website because of passwords and Geolocking, when the term DRM was around long before buying digital goods online was. You don't own GOG, you don't own a product before you buy it, you have zero entitlement or rights to a product before you buy it. That's absurd.

I don't like linking to wiki, but it does cover this rather well... I suggest reading it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
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deleted_user:
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Gnostic: Are GoG download not digital goods? Restriction of download before sales not rights management?

Look the earliest DRM is this form. Destructive DRM is just a subset of DRM.

However, now people forget about that because they hardly notice it, and what they notice is the Destructive DRM. Now people just recognize Destructive DRM as simply DRM.

You are right in the case of DRM may not be Destructive DRM, but it is a DRM restriction. Even your password to protect your GOG account is DRM as it restrict other people from downloading the games you pay for.
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deleted_user:
I'm done with this discussion.

One can't even follow this logic, it makes no sense. A product has DRM or it does not. The digital good itself (what your actually downloading) is not being restricted, your ability to buy it is. This is not DRM. The ability to buy something or not buy something is capitalism. I can take the same thing your saying and apply it to literary anything... my Amazon account by your logic is DRM even if it has more to to do with buying all types of goods rather than media like games, which was what the term was originally used for. Your trying to apply the term DRM to a website because of passwords and Geolocking, when the term DRM was around long before buying digital goods online was. You don't own GOG, you don't own a product before you buy it, you have zero entitlement or rights to a product before you buy it. That's absurd.

I don't like linking to wiki, but it does cover this rather well... I suggest reading it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
You need to expand your mind, maaaaan.
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deleted_user:
I'm done with this discussion.

One can't even follow this logic, it makes no sense. A product has DRM or it does not. The digital good itself (what your actually downloading) is not being restricted, your ability to buy it is. This is not DRM. The ability to buy something or not buy something is capitalism. I can take the same thing your saying and apply it to literary anything... my Amazon account by your logic is DRM even if it has more to to do with buying all types of goods rather than media like games, which was what the term was originally used for. Your trying to apply the term DRM to a website because of passwords and Geolocking, when the term DRM was around long before buying digital goods online was. You don't own GOG, you don't own a product before you buy it, you have zero entitlement or rights to a product before you buy it. That's absurd.

I don't like linking to wiki, but it does cover this rather well... I suggest reading it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
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realkman666: You need to expand your mind, maaaaan.
Because I refuse to promote things that have no basis? No thanks... if someone can provide a good argument I'm all for it, but they can't because the term is now what whatever people want to make it, instead of looking at the past of how it was originally meant. I'm not saying that the term shouldn't be updated for today's world either, but the problem is that now people just apply it literally to anything they don't like or agree with. Anytime that GOG does something people don't like, DRM always gets thrown in to the discussion. It's stupid.
Post edited February 28, 2015 by user deleted
Thanks, Obama...
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deleted_user:
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Gnostic: Are GoG download not digital goods? Restriction of download before sales not rights management?

Look the earliest DRM is this form. Destructive DRM is just a subset of DRM.

However, now people forget about that because they hardly notice it, and what they notice is the Destructive DRM. Now people just recognize Destructive DRM as simply DRM.

You are right in the case of DRM may not be Destructive DRM, but it is a DRM restriction. Even your password to protect your GOG account is DRM as it restrict other people from downloading the games you pay for.
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deleted_user:
I'm done with this discussion.

One can't even follow this logic, it makes no sense. A product has DRM or it does not. The digital good itself (what your actually downloading) is not being restricted, your ability to buy it is. This is not DRM. The ability to buy something or not buy something is capitalism. I can take the same thing your saying and apply it to literary anything... my Amazon account by your logic is DRM even if it has more to to do with buying all types of goods rather than media like games, which was what the term was originally used for. Your trying to apply the term DRM to a website because of passwords and Geolocking, when the term DRM was around long before buying digital goods online was. You don't own GOG, you don't own a product before you buy it, you have zero entitlement or rights to a product before you buy it. That's absurd.

I don't like linking to wiki, but it does cover this rather well... I suggest reading it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
Obviously you do not read your own link and information in your link supported my reasoning.

Maybe you just read the first few paragraph, but read down in your own link and see what is E-DRM. That is your password protected DRM that restrict user without the rights.

In case you miss this information out again because it is at the very last of the page you link to, I will put it here.

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Historical note

A very early implementation of DRM was the Software Service System (SSS) devised by the Japanese engineer Ryoichi Mori in 1983 [173] and subsequently refined under the name superdistribution. The SSS was based on encryption, with specialized hardware that controlled decryption and also enabled payments to be sent to the copyright holder. The underlying principle of the SSS and subsequently of superdistribution was that the distribution of encrypted digital products should be completely unrestricted and that users of those products would not just be permitted to redistribute them but would actually be encouraged to do so.
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Maybe next time before suggesting people to read things in your link, you should read them first throughly?

DRM is huge and have many subset, but nowadays people equate DRM to only one or two of its subset.
Post edited February 28, 2015 by Gnostic
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Gnostic: Obviously you do not read your own link and information in your link supported my reasoning.
I read it completely, granted it was a while ago. Some things might be different. Regardless it does not support your reasoning.

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Gnostic: Maybe you just read the first few paragraph, but read down in your own link and see what is E-DRM. That is your password protected DRM that restrict user without the rights.

In case you miss this information out again because it is at the very last of the page you link to, I will put it here.

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Historical note

A very early implementation of DRM was the Software Service System (SSS) devised by the Japanese engineer Ryoichi Mori in 1983 [173] and subsequently refined under the name superdistribution. The SSS was based on encryption, with specialized hardware that controlled decryption and also enabled payments to be sent to the copyright holder. The underlying principle of the SSS and subsequently of superdistribution was that the distribution of encrypted digital products should be completely unrestricted and that users of those products would not just be permitted to redistribute them but would actually be encouraged to do so.
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I did read this before I posted and I've actually looked more into it now. Please point out how this has anything to do with passwords into relation to having to enter a password to access bought content on a website? This has to do with sharing and encouraging sharing of work such as software, videos and music but which are encrypted, and allowing the original owner to maintain control. Product may be free of DRM or can use a DRM system in which a user must first purchase a licence.

This is essentially distribution without a major distributor, and a I fail to see any connection to passwords or geolocking? The only semi correlation to your thinking here, in some cases you may get to try the product before being locked out, so it's not technically restriction after sale. In which case this is an outlier in terms of DRM and contradicts everything else that has been applied by the term, which I remind you is a lot.

But that also can be argued by how you define a sale, you don't have to pay money on order to have a sale, a free product can still be considered a sale.

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Gnostic: Maybe next time before suggesting people to read things in your link, you should read them first throughly?

DRM is huge and have many subset, but nowadays people equate DRM to only one or two of its subset.
Oh I read it just fine.

If figures you would ignore the first thing stated: "Digital rights management (DRM) is a class of technologies[1] that are used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright holders, and individuals with the intent to control the use of digital content and devices after sale", as well as how the DRM has been used over the years in software, music, books, and film. Non of which supports your way of thinking really at all. You simply found the one outlier that can somewhat support your thinking but contradicts how DRM has been used in everything else.
Post edited February 28, 2015 by user deleted
I don't know where BreOI72 gets his informations about pupils learning about the 3rd Reich but they are false.
The sad fact is (proved in several documentations) that we learn much about historical roman emperors but very little about modern history.

But back to more pressing matters...Sauerkraut is Gods gift to mankind!!!
(if made right)

so
Post edited February 28, 2015 by Schnuff
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Schnuff: I don't know where BreOI72 gets his informations about pupils learning about the 3rd Reich but they are false.
The sad fact is (proved in several documentations) that we learn much about historical roman emperors but very little about modern history.
For us, history in school ended with the Third Reich. No history of the Federal Republic of Germany (apart from a short excursion in political science), and absolutely no GDR ...
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Schnuff: I don't know where BreOI72 gets his informations about pupils learning about the 3rd Reich but they are false.
The sad fact is (proved in several documentations) that we learn much about historical roman emperors but very little about modern history.
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Leroux: For us, history in school ended with the Third Reich. No history of the Federal Republic of Germany (apart from a short excursion in political science), and absolutely no GDR ...
Aye, it was the same for me in school, the Third Reich was a big part over several school years, after that came not much. Only when I did my high-school diploma, we did have some recent history lessons looking at the time after WW2.

Btw, ignore the misleading title, it is an interesting discourse, take it with a grain of salt though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ptV0AxE_mo
Post edited February 28, 2015 by MaGo72
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Protoss: You forget games with child pornography like Wolfenstein: The New Order and South Park: The Stick of Truth. (Note that because it is impossible to import the uncensored games to Germany, this assumption is made because the only legally required reason to forbid an import is child pornography. It could also be a case of bad lawyers, but that is something that can't be assumed at multi billion dollar companies.)
Where the f*ck was any kind of child pornography in Wolfenstein: The New Order and South park : Stick of Truth ?!!
Are you confusing this with nazi symbolism ?
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Schnuff: I don't know where BreOI72 gets his informations about pupils learning about the 3rd Reich but they are false.
wait what? where do you get your information from? From my only personal experience I can only agree with BreOl72.
We spend hours and hours talking about 1933-1945 at school. We also had the history of the BRD from '45 until the present.
What wasn't really talked about is, as Leroux said, the GDR and generally things in eastern Europe. All the shit happening in the balkans, yugoslavia etc.
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Leroux: For us, history in school ended with the Third Reich. No history of the Federal Republic of Germany (apart from a short excursion in political science), and absolutely no GDR ...
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MaGo72: Aye, it was the same for me in school, the Third Reich was a big part over several school years, after that came not much. Only when I did my high-school diploma, we did have some recent history lessons looking at the time after WW2.
At my school it was even worse. We had the NSDAP's rise to power covered and then fast forwarded to the post war era. And yeah, it was a German gymnasium.
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JKHSawyer: Thanks, Obama...
LMAO. Beat me to it.