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honestly I haven't understood that "bragging rights" post. Like, really, the meaning of the post. How should I read it? That I coulld be scum with Pooka? Why "bragging rights"?

Pooka

I don't remember Pooka posting this much

lots of basic sense that's not alignment indicative, focus on game mechanics

and a wee bit of a ragequit

volume is really good, pushing for input from others is good, but I want to see a real read in here somewhere

menh pile for now, hope pooka comes back and bakes a pie out of all the word ingredients

Bookwyrm

lol my guy

I'm out of your suspect list before I posted anything for real

then a whole pile of mechanics posts, post 144 in particular is really bad

then some role fishing

brah

you scummin brah?

Lift

I am bad at reading Lift

the stuff with dogmaus makes my eyes glaze over

to be fair, it's to be expected he's going to have to do some tap-dancing after the whole restart fiasco

Who me? You know my middle name is actually Towny McTownface

my parents were a little weird

...

As expected I don't have a great revelation here

Probably just town

Maybe I'll get lucky and somebody will kill him and then I won't have to care

Last in the alphabet and on my list, but not in my heart, ZFR

hmm

This is Bookwyrm's only post in-between those 2nd and 3rd posts:

@ZFR what was so persuasive about that post that he went from your scum pick all the way to your no-vote list in one shot?

Glad you asked. I was wondering when would someone spot this. I'll come clean.

I didn't want to bring it up, but the reason I think you're Town is because I'm in the same situation: my role is exactly same pre and post reset.

So I think: Joe rerolled for scum, but for those who remained Town he tried to keep their PR as is. Ergo those whose PR didn't change are Town.

In that single post made by Bookwyrm, other than himself, dogmaus and myself, you're the only one who's not on Book's sus list.

"Why wouldn't Bookwyrm sus yogsloth?" I asked myself.
"Must be because he saw the same thing I did!" I answered myself. "His role didn't change either, and he reached the same conclusion I did about yogs. So we're all Town."

The End.

you have no way of knowing what players have had the same roles twice.

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"I didn't want to bring it up, but the reason I think you're Town is because I'm in the same situation: my role is exactly same pre and post reset."
So now all of a sudden talking about the "old game" is cool. Then you should also believe that I am town because my role also has not been rerolled, and that is why I didn't like Lift talking about the old roles. You two attacked me for having talked about the old game: "that was the old gaim"! Now you use it too to claim town and motivate your thinking. I am really using all my suspension of disbelief to not vote for you.

My evening unexpectedly freed up so I've started doing a major catch up.

This post is weird. I won't comment on the at times unpleasant back and forth that follows for pages, but the points in this post strike me as an OMGUS reaction and not one that makes much sense.

Ok, what the shit? Who low rated this? Seems like someone found fault with some of Bookwyrm's posts too. Orkhepaj?

Was it a good idea to reveal that right now?

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Caught up to post 104, confirmed my early reading that ZFR was making more sense.

Lurking is having time to read the game and not posting. I've been posting without reading, that's completely different.

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This is a real slog.

That wasn't me, I wasn't here. You're seeing things because of bizarro dimension. Also, huh?

That was my reading of it as well.

Not this again, please! You don't have to take the time to understand it if you don't want to, but please just accept that what ZFR is telling you is correct even if it "feels" wrong. The human brain has a well known tendency to feel the way you think odds work, but please trust us that that's not actually how it works.

It's really not a matter of opinion.

*tea all over screen*

The vote for player A was RVS... it was something like post #9 of v2 of this game.

And the bragging rights post was just a bragging rights post. I wasn't saying I saw anything tellingly scummy in what pooka was posting, it was more dogmaus I was suspicious of. I just thought pooka's investment in the conflict was interesting so I was musing on it. Are you not really familiar with the practice of declaring bragging rights? The whole thing is meant to be more of a gut feeling than an actual accusation.

Jesus fuck, you guys. I've had a really shitty and busy few days, unable to scrape together enough time and energy to actually keep up with the game properly let alone wade through pages of sometimes quite nasty back and forth. Still I thought I should try and post every day rather than just disappear completely, but apparently not having time to read all of the posts is just a tactic for "keeping all options open".

How about I agreed with ZFR because he was making sense and it wasn't a very strong agreement because I can't comment on things I haven't read yet?

Guess what? I've worked my way through the thread this evening and I still agree with ZFR because he was making sense! Have I closed off my options enough for you?

Maybe I'm OMGUSing hard because I'm tired, but it really feels like you're completely ignoring the important bits of my last few posts which is that I did not have the time or energy to play for the past few days. If I say I haven't caught up, it means I haven't caught up and it isn't some kind of excuse to hedge my bets. This is the same regardless of alignment because I consider lying as scum to only include "in game stuff" and making up IRL stuff to be dishonourable.

Ok, rant finished.

It's just a little game within the game that we sometimes play. You try and name the scum early on based more or less on gut feelings. In this case, yes I was saying I thought you and pooka might be scum together, based on the way he was trying to defuse the argument beween you and ZFR (i.e. trying to save you from lynch). It's a spur of the moment kind of thing and shouldn't be considered a serious accusation of guilt. I would have expected Yogs to know this, so it's a little odd he fixated on it.

Same here. When I saw Yogs's post that was my first thought and I guessed it might be your reasoning too.

Of course, with this being public knowledge now we can't give much weight to further claims of having the same role (mine included), but at least I feel reasonably confident putting Yogs in the town pile and it gained you a few points too.

No... but think of it from town!ZFR's perspective:

If ZFR is telling the truth about his role not changing then he's going to read Yog's post and go "The only way Yogs would know about that is if it really happened for him too". ZFR's experience confirms Yogs's claim for him and my experience confirms Yogs's claim for me.

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I have explained this multiple times over the point of sickness. Enough. Reread please. I have unvoted and am I over it.
Bumpin to be on the safe side as the forum it's being weird.

"Ok, what the shit? Who low rated this? Seems like someone found fault with some of Bookwyrm's posts too. Orkhepaj?"
I wouldn't give it much thought. Some forum troll.

"Was it a good idea to reveal that right now?"
I don't like it too, that's why I voted for Lift for talking about his old role, but at this point, I have been rerolled Town with the same role too. Now, ZFR says he thinks Yog is Town because he has said that he has been rerolled the same town role twice. Well, I say that I have been rerolled the same town role twice. So now ZFR, by this logic, should unvote me too. Or he is trying to lynch Town.


Can someone explaing this "bragging rights" thing to me? I don't get it. What rights? Why bragging?


GR "GamezRanker: I guess I meant fate/chance/luck/whatever you want to call it, of any player only rolling scum once in how many consecutive games*.
And here we are, at least 3 players saying that they have been given the same roles twice. I don't think all of us have been rerolled, or someone among us is lying. So the two games are not so unrelated it seems. This makes me suspect Lift again but let's say he was just being reckless. He had botched the whole game just before after all.

Catte: " Are you not really familiar with the practice of declaring bragging rights? The whole thing is meant to be more of a gut feeling than an actual accusation."
oh, thanks, no, no amount of google search could explain that to me. It still does not make any sense but thanks for the explanation.

I am really scared that the kitten jumps on the keyboard and deletes my whole ost or sends it. He's capable of everything.

Again, the Yog post, I just thought that was a hey OF COURSE I AM TOWN, as a joke, in the sense that no one would say they are scum. That he meant to say he had been given the same role twice I didn't undertand that. I was to busy with answering to Lift and ZFR infinite rants on the few posts to be able to notice anything else.
So this is a new element to me. Did it happen before the official restart or later?

" I agreed with ZFR because he was making sense"
? ZFR is making up any sort of thing, and he himself says he misunderstands and misreads other people posts. How is he making any sense? O.O

"Same here. When I saw Yogs's post that was my first thought and I guessed it might be your reasoning too."
So now it's 4 of us saying they were town in the same role twice.

" now we can't give much weight to further claims of having the same role"
in fact, I only know it's true for me, but I don't strictly believe any of you. I find suspicious that ZFR accepts that without any second thought from Yog. So he should unvote me because I too am in the same situation, as I am stating, the same way you and Yog are.

" ZFR's experience confirms Yogs's claim for him and my experience confirms Yogs's claim for me."
Sorry, I don't see any logic behind this.

Lift made his post 37
Game reset 43
Yogsloth made his post 63.


Posts made before 43 were made before new roles were known. Ergo cant have any bearing on this game.
Posts made after 43 can.

Thanks. So are you still voting for me despite having being rerolled town with the same role twice? The same as Yog says and you accept without any doubt? So you are openly saying that you want to lynch Town. Why are you never going to answer this? It's the 3rd or 4th time I'm asking you about this now.