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tinyE: No I was just venting at a post but I didn't point it out because I really don't want to get into a fight right now.

Make that two posts. :P
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Vainamoinen: I wonder what post you could mean.

By the way, Amazon didn't publish my book. That's censorship.
"Memoirs of a succesfull pedophile", by Kant Katchmee ?

I was the one reviewing it. It was good. But we can't.
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tinyE: No I was just venting at a post but I didn't point it out because I really don't want to get into a fight right now.


Make that two posts. :P
I thought it was supposed to be satire.
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Sabin_Stargem: Considering that Steam supports DRM, I want GOG to carry the game. Is it odd to prefer legal access to the game, with a guarantee that there is no DRM?
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Fenixp: No, it's not. Nonetheless, you're censoring yourself, GOG isn't forcing you to not buy the game off Steam.
That may be true for this particular instance - but what of the future, when multiple distributors refuse to carry a title? Every time they decide to avoid controversy, they become increasingly inclined to avoid anything that they view as dangerous. By refusing to carry certain titles, distributors effectively become censors.

Letting an individual distributor off the hook will only tell other companies that it is okay to restrict their customers. I will oppose any company that threatens my goal: Legal access to all media, without DRM.
Just another crappy game sensationalized to the point of uselessness.
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Fenixp: No, it's not. Nonetheless, you're censoring yourself, GOG isn't forcing you to not buy the game off Steam.
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Sabin_Stargem: That may be true for this particular instance - but what of the future, when multiple distributors refuse to carry a title? Every time they decide to avoid controversy, they become increasingly inclined to avoid anything that they view as dangerous. By refusing to carry certain titles, distributors effectively become censors.

Letting an individual distributor off the hook will only tell other companies that it is okay to restrict their customers. I will oppose any company that threatens my goal: Legal access to all media, without DRM.
DRM-Free books on setting yourself up a crystal meth business.

Educational and DRM-Free.
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Telika: "Memoirs of a succesfull pedophile", by Kant Katchmee ?
LOL

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itchy01ca01: Just another crappy game sensationalized to the point of uselessness.
Oh? I didn't know it was released early in Canada. So what didn't you like about it?
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Telika: "Memoirs of a succesfull pedophile", by Kant Katchmee ?
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MaximumBunny: LOL

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itchy01ca01: Just another crappy game sensationalized to the point of uselessness.
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MaximumBunny: Oh? I didn't know it was released early in Canada. So what didn't you like about it?
Yeah it was a sympathy move to help ease the pain of none of their hockey teams making it out of the 2nd round. :P
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johnnygoging: I don't appreciate the naming and shaming of gog. If the game does release here now, it'll be somewhat inorganic. It'll be a sore spot in the catalogue. A game that forced its way in almost.

This sucks. By turning this farce into a free-speech thing this log of shit of a thing is getting support from people who probably wouldn't give it the time of day.

I do wonder at the decision a little bit, though. Given that Valve has already agreed to release it, that pretty much takes gog off the hook doesn't it? If they're doing it to be different, and hope that it gives something as a result, then the problem is it may not go the way that they want. I wonder if gog felt they'd alienate their die-hard veteran core even more with this game. you'd think those folks are likely to have more conservative view-points and be less tolerant. that said, they're still on gog.com, which means they're fairly forward-thinking tech-savvy types.

That said, I don't hate gog for this. Video games need to start censoring themselves. Shit is getting way out of hand. To use a metaphor, video games are getting older, they're more detailed, they're developing, and so if they drop their pants and shit on the rug it's not even a little bit cute anymore. Developers need to start having the good fucking sense to reign it the fuck in when they need to. With great power comes great responsibility and videogames have to be even more careful than film because they don't just show one scene in context but provide the framework for such a scene countless times in countless different contexts. they're pretty much WMD for violence in art.

Another thing people forget I think is that CDP is public, unlike Valve. that's all I'm gonna say about that.

Everyone is going on and on about respecting the individual and free-speech but at what point does something become hate-speech? Maybe this is just gog showing the world that they do decide, they do curate. Valve isn't curating, they've gone in a different direction, but you don't see anybody from Valve supporting the game.

I wouldn't say no to this game's being sold here but I don't approve of the game or the support that it gets.
I wouldn't say that entirely? There was that huge brouhaha with the Cat Lady and it ended up being quite a good and well received game.
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Telika: "Memoirs of a succesfull pedophile", by Kant Katchmee ?
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MaximumBunny: LOL

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itchy01ca01: Just another crappy game sensationalized to the point of uselessness.
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MaximumBunny: Oh? I didn't know it was released early in Canada. So what didn't you like about it?
The reviews from bloggers were already out the day the trailer came out last year.
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Primo_Victoria: The reviews from bloggers were already out the day the trailer came out last year.
Oh my. Bloggers said they didn't like it. Well that settles it. The game must be crap. They should scrap it before release because it's not worth it now. Canceling my preorder and going to play Call of Duty instead.
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johnnygoging: I don't appreciate the naming and shaming of gog. If the game does release here now, it'll be somewhat inorganic. It'll be a sore spot in the catalogue. A game that forced its way in almost.

This sucks. By turning this farce into a free-speech thing this log of shit of a thing is getting support from people who probably wouldn't give it the time of day.

I do wonder at the decision a little bit, though. Given that Valve has already agreed to release it, that pretty much takes gog off the hook doesn't it? If they're doing it to be different, and hope that it gives something as a result, then the problem is it may not go the way that they want. I wonder if gog felt they'd alienate their die-hard veteran core even more with this game. you'd think those folks are likely to have more conservative view-points and be less tolerant. that said, they're still on gog.com, which means they're fairly forward-thinking tech-savvy types.

That said, I don't hate gog for this. Video games need to start censoring themselves. Shit is getting way out of hand. To use a metaphor, video games are getting older, they're more detailed, they're developing, and so if they drop their pants and shit on the rug it's not even a little bit cute anymore. Developers need to start having the good fucking sense to reign it the fuck in when they need to. With great power comes great responsibility and videogames have to be even more careful than film because they don't just show one scene in context but provide the framework for such a scene countless times in countless different contexts. they're pretty much WMD for violence in art.

Another thing people forget I think is that CDP is public, unlike Valve. that's all I'm gonna say about that.

Everyone is going on and on about respecting the individual and free-speech but at what point does something become hate-speech? Maybe this is just gog showing the world that they do decide, they do curate. Valve isn't curating, they've gone in a different direction, but you don't see anybody from Valve supporting the game.

I wouldn't say no to this game's being sold here but I don't approve of the game or the support that it gets.
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LiquidOxygen80: I wouldn't say that entirely? There was that huge brouhaha with the Cat Lady and it ended up being quite a good and well received game.
but how similar are these games, really? that game has more going on than just the violence. but then, I'm not trying to create an arbitrary scale by which things are passed or failed.

that's fine, that's why I didn't say I'd' say no to it. I am a bit more opposed to violence in video games than a lot of folks and I know that that has a very real opinion and personal preference element.

I will say I think that the comparison to the cat lady is unfair, though. that game's nonsense was as much an ambiance and metaphor for its message and theme and character development. it was producing something besides garbage, the story just was set in a landfill. postal and more distantly GTA are better comparisons.
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LiquidOxygen80: I wouldn't say that entirely? There was that huge brouhaha with the Cat Lady and it ended up being quite a good and well received game.
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johnnygoging: but how similar are these games, really? that game has more going on than just the violence. but then, I'm not trying to create an arbitrary scale by which things are passed or failed.

that's fine, that's why I didn't say I'd' say no to it. I am a bit more opposed to violence in video games than a lot of folks and I know that that has a very real opinion and personal preference element.

I will say I think that the comparison to the cat lady is unfair, though. that game's nonsense was as much an ambiance and metaphor for its message and theme and character development. it was producing something besides garbage, the story just was set in a landfill. postal and more distantly GTA are better comparisons.
Well, the only thing I really have to say is how can ANY fair comparison really be made about the game, considering all we have to go on is some short gameplay footage and an ill advised trailer? Cat Lady is a fantastic game, but it still got denied, and it took quite a bit of outrage to get it changed.

(I'm playing devil's advocate here. I highly doubt I'll be purchasing the game at all.)
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LiquidOxygen80: Cat Lady is a fantastic game, but it still got denied, and it took quite a bit of outrage to get it changed.
I was also disappointed when it was rejected, then it got released here, I bought it and I kinda figured why GOG had rejected it first. It's not a very professional product. Some of the voices sound like they had been recorded with a cheap headset (while others sound great), the graphics largely look like they had been glued together out of stock images found on Google, the animations make amateur stop motion movies look like cutting edge CGI etc.. It's a decent game but I see why GOG was reluctant to pick it up.
On an odd note, after skimming this thread, I've now decided to listen to "Primo Victoria".
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SirPrimalform: This thread is hilarious. GOG have refused heaps of games over the years, some of which I would have liked to buy here but I never got this butthurt.

People are only screaming "Censorship!" because the game is deliberately provocative. Maybe GOG just don't like the game?
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Telika: but but but :
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RoseLegion: Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
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Telika: BEWARE OF WHO WILL

DENYYYY YOU

ACCESS TO

INFORMATIOOOOOOOOOOON
Why quote me quoting but leave out the citation? :P
Ah well, either way I suppose.