Yup.

Always found it scummy and probably always will.


Only because of lynch wagons?

What about the wagon on Sage that was started by flubbucket?


That's only reason too?

Good point, but I've worked with flub as scum and I think it's the kind of thing he might do. Plus, with the ability to coordinate the whole thing may have been a set up that got out of hand (who would have expected a wagon to build so quickly so early in the day?)
But as to the first question, no. Mainly because she's been on the radar all game, for her earlier lurking and response under pressure and all the other reasons.

Same with Leonard, although my suspicions in his case have been mainly based on feelings, but I trust my gut and it tells me Leonard is scum. But you'll see they've both been on my scum list pretty much all game, and just seeing their placements on the wagons just pushes them up for me.

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Could you elaborate on the part I highlighted? Not sure I follow you.

Looks like I'm getting some suspicious looks. Nothing to say in my defence as people haven't mentioned anything in particular, except for being happy we lynched a scum. As to that, why shouldn't I be happy?
Also kinda funny Vitek was starting to think Sage was scummy, when he had a vote on her.
@Vitek for intrests sake why don't you vote for me? Not finished reading through day 2?

You did vote for Flub - but you are surprised he flipped scum. I would have thought that your vote would mean you thought he was scum. If not vote for him being scum why did you vote for him?

I find your post interesting. Do you want to see the power roles dropping? You almost come off as excited for it to me.


First off thank you for the break down.

I am really starting to think that all three scum jumped on my wagon right away.

Flub was pushing my wagon and adila has been ready to vote me anytime and still is. Which I find very scummy. I was at L-1 and ready to be lynched any moment and I said to watch Flub. I had a feeling he was scum and I had no problem stating that I was getting that feeling from how he was playing. And for Wyrm right now I find his recent posts to be not adding to the game or even his opinions on what is going on and or went on and more lets just sit back and watch the excitement.

(Still reading down but need to cook dinner, I will be back in a bit)

Interesting. This actually helped, though I am uncertain how much. I was evaluating trent's position on the wagon and maybe trying to correlate it to some of this interactions during day 1, to ultimately see if I can link them to his NK, but voting and unvoting right away throws me off. Not really that helpful, or maybe I am not seeing something.

The only person alive from the remnants of that wagon is Sage. Everyone else seems to have changed target. Although I can't really blame Sage for this since Robb wasn't exactly scum hunting as much as Sage hunting, which may haven't been wrong if she's scum (still on my suspicion list) but we can't really dabble into such WIFOM so early in the day. We need more concrete and productive data than this.

I rather like the new account system. Friends to whom you can see wishlists have been of interest to me for some time. It takes away from the classic feel of GOG though, but I think I can get used to it as long as it doesn't diverge further from origins.

Do read the rest of the post you are replying to. Usually, scum go for a lurker during Night 1, while on other nights they may prioritize non lurkers.
So, if Lift was killed on Night 1, I would also find him a weird choice, since he wasn't a lurker.
And an addendum, if trentonlf was killed on Night 2, I wouldn't find it a weird choice.

To quote the idiot of Italy, Mario Balotelli (I'm still questioning how his family got into Italy), "is a mailman happy when he does his job?"

While the answer is really basic, and I mean really really basic mafia answer, I'm interested to hear what adalia has to say before I question why Sage asked such a basic question.

You're still part of my top suspects list and I'd be willing to vote for you anytime, especially to avoid a no-lynch. Does that make me scummy as well, and everybody else who's willing to do so as well?

Here's what bothers me about this part. You also put me from town to scum based on just that. A feeling and nothing else. Nothing to turn your head for except the fact you're profiting off of flub's scum flip to reinforce your weak point. Does that mean everyone else whom you mentioned previously is still on your top scum picks?

Wait, what? I was the second person to show up (third if you count Lift). Looking back, I've got (very slightly) more Day 3 content than either Leonard or Sage (to the point of your post here), and HSL hadn't said a thing yet, but you pick me? Did I set the bar for myself higher than they did for themselves?

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I would characterize my response as "interested" more than "excited" in seeing this potential development. I'm kind of surprised that so many vanilla have died, when the players with power roles probably out number the players without.

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Now I'm wondering if I've got some (more) mud being slung my way. I might not be the most lynchable candidate, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the least lynchable one either.

Speaking of lynches: Adalia's presence on every wagon from Cristigale's post stands out to me. It looks like he didn't vote for Robb, though, back when Robb started collecting votes like candy. Of course, Lift was on every wagon as well, so...

NK: Lift as NK makes sense to me. Most people had him more or less marked as town. Trent's NK doesn't overly surprise me either, for the same reason. If they can't be lynched, then they make good NK fodder. By way of comparison, Robb/Vitek and Sage probably won't be NK'ed/

Vitek: I'd like to know what prompted you to think people were scum/town, when you were reading the thread during Day 2. I remember seeing categories, but I don't remember seeing much reasoning behind those categories.

I asked because of how something was phrased - as you want to see his response as well I will leave my answer to you at that.

No. I have adlia on my scum list for more reasons then just his voting and pushing for me.

No my list changes with the game. As for right now who do I find the scummiest - Adlaia, Jmich, yogs. As for you I have leaning town right now. I have liked your posts and feel that you are trying to help right now.

Showing up with a throwaway post isn't showing up. Most of your posts have been thin on content, as if you're trying to hide in plain sight.

This game has fallen over and died, and once again, we have two entire weeks until a deadline, ensuring almost nothing will happen until then. Nobody's posting, nobody's reporting anything from the night, nobody's voting... what a dead gym sock of a game.

I would contemplate trying to initiate a mass role claim just to have something to do.

Whaddya think?

"Yog, you scumz!!! How darez ya!!!"

Oh, okay then. Back to your regularly scheduled nothing whatsoever.

Sorry for the delay in replying, read the posts earlier but haven't been in a position to reply until tonight.

I expected to see a certain pattern in the wagons, and discounting those who I know to be town (Lift and myself) and those I strongly feel to be town (mainly cristi really, as you weren't involved on any of the wagons) Sage and Leonard fit that pattern. Flub (known scum) was on Sage's wagon, but Leonard wasn't. Leonard was on flub's wagon, but Sage wasn't, and Leonard and Sage were both on AFP's wagon (confirmed town). And their placing on the wagons makes sense too if they are scum. Leonard hammering flub when there was no hope of him avoiding a lynch, flub starting a wagon he didn't actually expect to go anywhere, and Leonard and Sage coming on towards the end of AFPs wagon (but not one right after the other).
Combined with their behaviour in the rest of the game I'm fairly sure both are scum, or at the very least one of them.

Because I didn't want there to be a no lynch, there was a strong chance he was scum, and if he wasn't there would be a wagon to analyse and his actions and statements could be looked at in a new light.
Counter question, you claim you found flub scummy, why didn't you vote for him?

Give me some reasons then, cause it seems quite OMGUSy to me right now.
Also, why do you have both JMich and yogs down as quite scummy? Do you believe that their conflicted was a complete set up? That yogs has been pushing to lynch a scum buddy all game? That's quite a daring play.

Maybe she thinks one of us is scum, but not the other, and just doesn't know which is which? Gettin' tired of the indecisiveness ya know. Not Sage in particular - just all the widdly-waddle fiddly-faddle.

Unvote Bookwyrm627

Enh, I dunno anything anymore. My friends list is empty, my shelf is unsortable, and life has no meaning anymore. I just end it all now. A nice Columbian Necktie. Or just some Columbian Bam-Bam.

By the way, did anyone notice I was third on the wagon for lynching scum? Krypsyn, where are you when I need you, man?!? You had one job. One job.

JMich still ain't saying anything, you guys know that, right?

I mean, what the hell:

What? I'm not high enough to dig this, man. NO, YOU'RE A TOWEL. Damn.

We only have like 322525246 more days until the deadline, so we'd all better get started. Can I really annoy JMich and fake claim some silly role again?

I forgot what I was saying.

Look, if anybody has anything useful to contribute, I'd pony up now. Otherwise just pony up with the voting and let's do this thing, because nobody is playing any helpful cards and at worst we've got a 22% chance of hitting scum (assuming you don't lynch me, because I'm Town btw).

So I'll start over again with my single-bloody-minded tunnel-vision vote:

Vote JMich

Until I have a better reason or am forced to move the vote to avoid no-lynch or whatever.

I was on Sage's wagon, later. I was voting her when I switched to hammer flub.