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yogsloth: Let me ask you a hypothetical question.

What if you knew that I was Town? If you did a re-read of JMich's responses to me over that "debate" knowing that I were Town, how would they read?
I would certainly reconsider my position on him, but I still find the points he raised to be good. In the eventuality that you flip town it doesn't immediately mean that anyone who doubted that alignment is automatically scum

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Vitek: Adalia would be town but I peaked into the future and found some things that make him more likely to not be town.
Well I'm clearly letting the side down then... I'll be interested to know what I've done.
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Leonard03: I'm waiting to see what Vitek has got to say. If nothing changes I will hammer flub.
Sounds good to me. Assuming, of course, that his wagon doesn't fall apart at the last second. He seems to be catching up fast though, so don't rush it. Maybe just before you go to bed tonight?

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Bookwyrm627: [...] and I claim to have bid (with no further information provided yet). [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Really? I'm not done doing a proper reread on you, so please point me to your post that this happened.
Post 494, in the section about roles. I only stated that I submitted a bid.

And re-reading that post, I just realized I said "Roletracker" instead of "Role Cop". -.-


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HypersomniacLive: @yogsloth

You claim in your post #251 that

I said way back in post #8 that so many of you disliked that this would be a game of wits.
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HypersomniacLive: I've been over that post mutlitple times now, and I can't find it; could you point out where in post #8 you said that?
Here it is. Bolding is mine:
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yogsloth: So it seems the real key here is that this is going to be a battle of the wits until the end. There are no PMs to nitpick, no trolling the wiki for a role to claim, and few power mechanics to be used to hunt scum. We’re going to have to do it the old-fashioned way – with a blowtorch and pliers.
Technically, he didn't say "game of wits", but anyone that is going to hold that against him needs to read this.

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Vitek: All based on first 150 posts (except adalia and 1 recent wyrm's post). I will continue later today.
Almost 25% done. I'm interested in hearing what else you come up with.

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yogsloth: Let me ask you a hypothetical question.

What if you knew that I was Town? If you did a re-read of JMich's responses to me over that "debate" knowing that I were Town, how would they read?
Might be interesting to flip that as well, and read it as if JMich were definitely town.

I don't know that either one definitely is, but my scum list is kind of full at the moment.
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yogsloth: Last paragraph. Pretty much verbatim.

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Bookwyrm627: [...]

Here it is. Bolding is mine: Technically, he didn't say "game of wits", but anyone that is going to hold that against him needs to read this.

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Interesting that you both missed the point of my question, but nice of you Bookwyrm627 to come to yogsloth's defence. I'm not questioning the fact that yogsloth spoke of a game of wits, I'm questioning how any of what is stated in that paragraph demonstrates his claim in post #251 of "how most of us dislike" that it's such a game.

So, yogsloth, care to explain how that paragraph supports your claim in post #251?



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JMich: All choices make sense to the one that makes them. What I find weird (or more weird than usual) is that trentonlf was one of the people that participated in the discussions, and quite lively discussions at that.

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I agree, trentonlf participated in quite lively discussions here. My question is - what discussions were they? Going over his posting history, most of it is his debate with yogsloth, another part is addressing others, again on the subject of roles discussion and/ or his debate with yogsloth, and we all know how what the epilogue of his posting was. Still, I may be missing something, so could you point out what other discussions he was part of? As in what discussions that would allow to gather info from outside of the above topics?


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JMich: Said you was singular actually, not plural. I don't have any strong scum suspects at this point, even though I do think yogsloth, HypersomniacLive, HijacK and cristigale require watching, either due to their posts, or lack thereof.
HypersomniacLive an cristigale do seem to be a bit absent, though unsure if there's a legitimate reason for that or not, yogsloth does have quite a few noteworthy posts, though I may be biased a bit due to his obsession with me, and HijacK hasn't gotten into a fight with anyone yet, so he may be playing it a bit safer than usual.

Does any of the above make anyone scum? No, thus my reluctance to vote.
So, if you consider that cristigale and I are a bit absent, and require watching, what would you say about yourself? Would you also watch yourself given your posting history?
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HypersomniacLive: So, yogsloth, care to explain how that paragraph supports your claim in post #251?
Ahhhhhh, my apologies, I get it now.... what a horribly-worded post on my part!

This is why punctuation is important.

Try this:

I said way back in post #8, that so many of you disliked, that this would be a game of wits.

Commas. They save lives.
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HypersomniacLive: Interesting that you both missed the point of my question, but nice of you Bookwyrm627 to come to yogsloth's defence. I'm not questioning the fact that yogsloth spoke of a game of wits, I'm questioning how any of what is stated in that paragraph demonstrates his claim in post #251 of "how most of us dislike" that it's such a game.


So, yogsloth, care to explain how that paragraph supports your claim in post #251?
Ahh. I answered the question you asked ("could you point out where in post #8 you said that?"), since it was a fact based question to which I knew the answer. And I suspect I know what Yogs' response will be to this clarification on your part. His phrasing could (again) use work; try reading the sentence like this "I said way back in post #8 (that so many of you disliked) that this would be a game of wits."

If I'm wrong, Yogs, please let us know your actual response.
Dang. He used commas instead of parenthesis.
Lets's eat Grandma!
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HypersomniacLive: Did you think you had good chances to win the bid going with the number 18?

Were players in the Sage's Mecidal Bay alive or dead? If the latter, do you think that players still in the game (re)act the same way they do in the QTs?

flubbucket was the mod of the Milk Game - do you take into account flubbucket's behaviour as a mod in the QT to make comparisons and judge his play in the actual game, and why?


How would you evaluate repeated prodding of other players to start/ do the talking, while also pointing fingers to the same players at every chance?

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Considering my brain did not recognize it was to be the lowest whole number until after I sent my PM. Yes I did at the time. The second I re-read I knew no. I had a better change of guessing the pick 6.

Technically alive- I rescued them. If I was alive so were they.

I was using the QTs for examples of time I have spent with Flub.

Flub as the mod. He was adding to the thread as a mod but yes that itself can be looked it. It would be hard to not look at a person as a whole and just from game to game. I do understand different games means different ways to go about playing but you still get the underlining feel from someone. Almost a sense of there personality. I dunno if im exampling it right.

Honestly - can you re phrase this. I am not sure what you are asking..
--- "How would you evaluate repeated prodding of other players to start/ do the talking, while also pointing fingers to the same players at every chance? "
Well, I guess it is time to Unvote: Sage
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Vote: flubbucket
I hope it's for the best.
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Leonard03: Well, I guess it is time to Unvote: Sage
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Vote: flubbucket
I hope it's for the best.
Whew. I was rather worried that someone might hop off at the last moment or someone might say "Don't hammer yet, we have a little time left to talk" and we'd end up with no lynch at all.
So we have a hammer. Day Three will likely start during the weekend, might be a slow start.

I hope the pug makes another appearance.
OK. We have a hammer. Let's hope we hit true this time!
There will be deadline soon, right?


I am still on D1 (but close to end) and flub and Leonard are clear scum so far. Yog and bookwyrm are next.
Yog's post upon AFP unvoting Rob how he is derailing wagons and supports nolynch is awful.

Lift still town, JMich too.

Rest undecided, adalia closer to scum than town but not by far.
Guh, I posted from quick reply from page 7 without checking last page and missed the lynch. At least I will have more time to read. I am fine iwth flub's lynch. He is playing his poster scum play. Jumping on someone for mistakes or supposed mistakes while he usually knows better as town.
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Sage103082: [...]

Honestly - can you re phrase this. I am not sure what you are asking..
--- "How would you evaluate repeated prodding of other players to start/ do the talking, while also pointing fingers to the same players at every chance? "
You said in your post #699 [emphasis added]:
How can you get a read on someone who is a ghost. The players you can get reads and feels for are the ones that post so the ones that do not have a better chance of being put at neutral or town because they have not stirred the post or gave much to be looked it.
What about those that post but the content of their posts consists either of prodding other players to start and/or do the talking or drawing attention to a very limited pool of players? Would you consider such posts as allowing to get reads on their poster(s)?



Which reminds me, I have another question for JMich:

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JMich: [...]

So, do not look for what people post, look for people who don't post. Ignore any fallacies or slips, go after the non-posters...

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While the former part is valid, are you suggesting to leave the non-posters in peace until they decide to post on their own?