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GymHenson: Serious question: That nice to hear....what brand and model is it, if you don't mind my asking?
GeForce 1660 Super. I made some compromise between quality and price and ended with this one.

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GymHenson: So if you're town as I suspect, you'd risk taking out 2 town in one day(me and BJGamer)? Really?
Thsi is fake fallacy and you are simply saying, "don't kill me I am town". Mafia will target town at night no matter what so from town side it's not much difference if tehy are confirmed already or not.

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GymHenson: ZFR I consider likely town, and dedo could be possible scum, but I was mainly focusing on how your posts seemed to lean you imo at that time.
That doesn't really explain it. You are saying you singled me out because you chose to single me out.


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ZFR: I had to check it in Wiki.

Would Gym know about it if he didn't have it?
That's actually good point.

I know I am the person who doesn't know how RB resolve but I like to think I know at least some things about mafia and never heard about it before.
On the other hand it also appears to be highly unusual modifier and not one that one come across easily when creating setup. But that's speculation and can't be really judged much.
Then, it could still be same for mafia PGO you mused about.

Sigh.
Unvote GymHanson but I will most likely revote in few hours but I need to think about it first.
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Vitek: Thsi is fake fallacy
"Fake" fallacies are the worst.
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Vitek: Thsi is fake fallacy
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ZFR: "Fake" fallacies are the worst.
No, I'm pretty sure true fallacies are the worst ones. Better to be a tautology than an oxymoron!
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my name is coole catte: I just described how those situations are completely different and why you're more valuable to the mafia alive... so I'm not really sure what you're getting at. Unless you're suggesting I have some kind of meta-vendetta against you?
No, more like possible scum trying to get an easy mislynch. Sorry if it came off as anything else.

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my name is coole catte: Well exactly, you're not confirmed and we assume they only get one kill per night... so why would they NK someone who's going to attract a buttload of attention?
That's not the point...it's that if I am lynched it is very likely town will be down 2 fellow town instead of 1.

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my name is coole catte: If you're scum you're already pretty cornered at this point, might as well try and escape the lynch today to see if you can attract a cop or doc and take them out. If you're going down you might as well try and take someone with you.
And if I were scum and a PR got taken out it's likely i'd be the next day's lynch anyways...I wouldn't be able to hide if scum.

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@ZFR: Seriously. If I get taken out by mislynch and there is a NK then town is down 2 town instead of 1.

So since I consider you town, that seems like very unwise town play......unless you have good reasoning for it(that i'm not seeing), perhaps?
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GymHenson: @ZFR: Seriously. If I get taken out by mislynch and there is a NK then town is down 2 town instead of 1.
So the only "risk" I'm taking is a single additional person. One who is who is likely to be a distraction, a general liability and who for all I know could still be Mafia trying to make the best of a bad situation. Yes, I'm more than willing to risk it.
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Vitek: GeForce 1660 Super. I made some compromise between quality and price and ended with this one.
Nice pick...hope you have fun with it.

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Vitek: Thsi is fake fallacy and you are simply saying, "don't kill me I am town". Mafia will target town at night no matter what so from town side it's not much difference if tehy are confirmed already or not.
What I meant and was focusing on is that if I get lynched and scum do a NK, town will be down 2 town for certain(of course this is based on my claims, so take it fwiw). Whereas if town went a different route(another lynch or no lynch) town would only be down 1 town. Simple maths....1 loss is better than 2....that is what I was getting at.

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Vitek: That doesn't really explain it. You are saying you singled me out because you chose to single me out.
You seemed scummy to me, so of course I was focusing on you in regards to that post. I have listed my leans in other posts as well, though.

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@ZFR: That one extra person could make all the difference in helping to win the game(in terms of numbers), though.
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GymHenson: @ZFR: That one extra person could make all the difference in helping to win the game(in terms of numbers), though.
100% agree. That extra distraction could be all the difference in helping to win the game. For Mafia.
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ZFR: 100% agree. That extra distraction could be all the difference in helping to win the game. For Mafia.
It's only a distraction if players let it be one.....one way of dealing with a distraction is to also ignore it or set it aside, you know.
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ZFR: I had to check it in Wiki.

Would Gym know about it if he didn't have it?
Hmm. It is fairly obscure, but I think he's already said he's been looking at the wiki for strategies. There's also the possible-day-chat-slip. If GH is maf and has day chat he might be being coached by a more experienced buddy.

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GymHenson: No, more like possible scum trying to get an easy mislynch. Sorry if it came off as anything else.
In that case I don't see a link between the two situations really. One is a game where I was scum saying we should lynch the cop (who happened to be you) and one is a game where I am town and suspect someone of being mafia (who happens to be you). Given that they're completely different games with different role assignments, the only thing the two situations have in common are that we're both playing. If we keep playing more games together, there are bound to be more situations involving both of us, but they won't have any more to do with these situations than they do with each other.

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GymHenson: That's not the point...it's that if I am lynched it is very likely town will be down 2 fellow town instead of 1.
You're just describing a mislynch. Statistically, most days will end with a mislynch and the NK of a townie. Some days we might get scum and some nights we might block a kill, but the situation you're describing is hardly out of the ordinary. You're basically just saying "I'm not scum" with more words.

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GymHenson: And if I were scum and a PR got taken out it's likely i'd be the next day's lynch anyways...I wouldn't be able to hide if scum.
Well exactly. But if you're on the ropes anyway you'd obviously try and take a town PR down before you go down.

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GymHenson: @ZFR: Seriously. If I get taken out by mislynch and there is a NK then town is down 2 town instead of 1.

So since I consider you town, that seems like very unwise town play......unless you have good reasoning for it(that i'm not seeing), perhaps?
This is literally the same argument you made to me above.
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ZFR: 100% agree. That extra distraction could be all the difference in helping to win the game. For Mafia.
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GymHenson: It's only a distraction if players let it be one.....
Again 100% agree. Hence we're not letting it be one.
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my name is coole catte: Hmm. It is fairly obscure, but I think he's already said he's been looking at the wiki for strategies. There's also the possible-day-chat-slip. If GH is maf and has day chat he might be being coached by a more experienced buddy.
You should some day ask my team mates from games where I was scum just how good I am at following coaching advice.

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my name is coole catte: In that case I don't see a link between the two situations really. One is a game where I was scum saying we should lynch the cop (who happened to be you) and one is a game where I am town and suspect someone of being mafia (who happens to be you). Given that they're completely different games with different role assignments, the only thing the two situations have in common are that we're both playing. If we keep playing more games together, there are bound to be more situations involving both of us, but they won't have any more to do with these situations than they do with each other.
You're not scum? Ok then, i'll take your word for it.....o.0

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my name is coole catte: Well exactly. But if you're on the ropes anyway you'd obviously try and take a town PR down before you go down.
In a role madness game, if I were scum, would it matter much? Especially a game with likely only 2 scum?

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my name is coole catte: This is literally the same argument you made to me above.
I like to repeat myself....a lot.

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@ZFR: As I said, there are other ways to deal with a distraction then by removing it.....but if you want to follow that single minded course of action then so be it.
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GymHenson: It's only a distraction if players let it be one.....one way of dealing with a distraction is to also ignore it or set it aside, you know.
You're essentially asking us to just clear you on faith and leave you alone to the end of the game? Well that would certainly be convenient if you were mafia.
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my name is coole catte: You're essentially asking us to just clear you on faith and leave you alone to the end of the game? Well that would certainly be convenient if you were mafia.
More like put it on the back burner for a bit. I mean look at how many games where I was town and a distraction, got removed and shown to be town...iirc it was more often than I turned out to be scum.

Let me propose something: if we have an investigative role they look into me perhaps....if something happens to them I will gladly await the lynch and even throw in a vote(not the hammer) myself.

What say you?

Also what says everyone else?
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GymHenson: @ZFR: As I said, there are other ways to deal with a distraction then by removing it.....
Name one.

One that, assuming you're Town, doesn't rely on scum magically becoming moronic morons overnight and deciding to NK you when *literally*, NKing anyone else, including possibly going with noNK for the mindscrew, is a better option for them.
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GymHenson: More like put it on the back burner for a bit. I mean look at how many games where I was town and a distraction, got removed and shown to be town...iirc it was more often than I turned out to be scum.
Let's say we do "put you on the back burner", we'd have to lynch you eventually. And the later in the game it happens, the more destructive it could be.

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GymHenson: Let me propose something: if we have an investigative role they look into me perhaps....if something happens to them I will gladly await the lynch and even throw in a vote(not the hammer) myself.

What say you?

Also what says everyone else?
That's silly for all of the reasons I've already mentioned. If you're a mafia PGO you could easily just be trying to take a town PR down with you.

In case that's not clear, it's a no from me.