Don't be dumb: what is going to kill scum!Joe? The breadcrumbs get him out of lynch scenarios, which are the only kills that he really needs to worry about. He isn't going to be able to talk his way out of vig shots.

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No one has been forthcoming on what I'm searching seeking: what did Korotan do during the night?

I'll wager dollars against donuts that Korotan visited me on N1. I ticked him off D1 and I got a bump on the head for my trouble. No bump N2, so I'm wondering what he did instead of visiting me.

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Started this post, got interrupted. It is now nearly 2am, and I need to sleep. I'll take another look in the morning.

I was thinking a similar thing this morning. The breadcrumb being hidden is a double-edged sword. It can be pulled out in case of need or buried into the seventh circle of hell if its harmful. Also, the two reported Townies are a bit convenient, aren't they? One is dead so that read is absolutely useless - doesn't help the Cop nor gives us an edge, but at the same time the breadcrumb itself serves a very particular purpose - it killed whatever momentum we had going in its tracks. Same about the second read and breadcrumb. That one is actually of lesser quality since it targeted a living player who kind of got cleared in a different way already but was also generating heat and was potentially giving us that edge.

Finally, what was the point of stalling with sharing the reads? The fist one was there but the second one was just done. Wouldn't it have looked a bit silly to hide a breadcrumb only to pull it out 20 minutes later? It would have, no? Add a few more posts with dilly-dallying and there you have it - a few not so thin posts spread throughout time. Looks a lot better. The whole second breadcrumb is absolutely useless - it was put there AFTER yog kicked his thing off. The only thing it does is to show consistency of the pattern.

TL;DR - the Korotan bit gave me pause for the evening yesterday but after sleeping on it this is way too convenient.

I voted bookwyrm because he was a viable wagon at the end of day. I wanted to avoid no-lunch but I didn't hold much hope that bookwyrm was scum.

I was never that interested in blotunga.

A few people had mentioned korotan as suspect, but there wasn't much drive to vote. I thought he was maybe mafia getting distanced or an easy mislynch target. Plus I wondered why he was going on about neutrals.

Later the thing about flub and yogsloth came up and I wished I'd picked one of them but it was too late.


I've seen you claim before. What's different now?

I don't know if I can call it logical, but I've given my reason.


You tried to use your power night one?


I didn't know Yogsloth was planning a mass claim. Even if we was it might not have amounted to anything.

I delayed because I thought it might make people nervous about what I might have found. Maybe it did, I dunno.



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I have a few concerns, but I guess they can wait for a moment.

Bookwyrm and ZFR both have vig shots. If one of them is a scum and we go to night with him and his partner alive it's quite dangerous.

The safe thing to do is have Bookwyrm eliminate ZFR now, and if ZFR flips town we lunch Bookwyrm.

No?

Hm. Which means we go to night 3 with five players. So if one of them isn't mafia then we have lost. ZFR's looking pretty likely. His "Yogsloth is the rolecop" "Yogsloth is hinting he's the cop" thing before looks a lot like panicking. But I guess I can see how he might have cops on the brain if he did just get a cop result...

ZFR you never said what you did Night 1 and why?

SO if ZFR gets vigged and is TOWN, then if bookwyrm is town and we lunch him we've lost. If bookwyrm is mafia and we don't lunch him we've lost.


it seemed more straightforward on my walk to work, but it's not as safe as it seemed.

I'm thinking of something else, as well, but I don't really have the time to put more thought into it at the moment since I'm at work.

At the beginning of the game we pondered speedruns. We now "know" (based on publicly available information) that both killing roles are in play. The game is still going into it's third day. This suggests that Wyrm and ZFR are not scum together and/or there aren't 3 scum players to benefit from it.

Anyway, I'm not sure what to think at the moment. Probably some backtracking would help.

@Joe, I just saw you wrote something large and it includes a response or something towards my previous posts but I don't have the time to read it right now. I will later in the day, though.

I did. No action.

I missed it, sorry. What was your reasoning?

My reasoning for not doing something?

It was end of D1, we achieved no lynch and I had no idea who's who. I had limited shots, you wanted me to shoot blindly?

Yeah, what was your reasoning for not doing something? I assume you considered some targets?

I'm not saying that holding back was a bad idea. I was just interested in knowing what brought you there.

Last game we would have won if we had anything (anything) that could be used against the scum team. I figured saving my shots for endgame when a situation arises like in the previous game.

How do you feel about eliminate-ZFR, if it's-not-ZFR-eliminate-bookwyrm?

Smells of a scum trying to eliminate the two roles who can still hurt him endgame.

I don't see Bookwyrm as scum. Not the way he was playing at the beginning, not the way yesterday's exposition went.

I got more notes actually. But at work now. Will post when I get a break.

I have on a new frock and I got a new hairdo, and you didn't even notice you insufferable bastard!!!!

I don't think you even love me anymore!!!!

I agree with this. As far as I'm concerned, the stall is very damning. You are the cop, you laid out the breadcrumbs, it is your turn to full claim. There is simply no reason to postpone giving us the rest of the information.

Anyone want to browse Joe's posts to look for different breadcrumbs? I don't have the patience for it, but if someone has some free time and wants to dig...

No, which was what made the notification interesting.

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Anyway.

I looked at 3 roles for my bid: Bus Driver for the lulz (like the possibility of reaching Final 3, mislynching, and getting the last scum to shoot himself), Vig shot (because vig shot), and JOAT (because vig shot).

I was about to bid for JOAT because it looked like the vig shot plus some other crap that I didn't overly care about.

But then I realized something. The JOAT is cool, but it can't do this:

Day Vig ZFR.

What I was really hoping for was to catch someone at L-1, vig some rando off-wagon, and get a 2-fer when the number required for lynch dropped. Imagining the ensuring expressions would have made my night and been worth being lynched or whatever. The D1 No Lynch hosed up the numbers for that. Yog talked about me being not as joke-y; post-game Trent can confirm that in private I was positively cackling about the kind of crap I now had the opportunity to pull.

All that aside, ZFR needs to go. I can't leave a vig shot in likely scum hands, and too much of the game's play makes sense from a scum!ZFR standpoint. Also, I suspect he used his Role Cop ability on N1, then decided to block Korotan N2 while his buddy killed Korotan. There were only going to be maybe 3 days in the game at all; not a whole lot of reason to wait around with abilities, and that leaves the vig shot open for a nasty N3 surprise for town.

Vote Joe

hm, I still love you.

I was a bit concerned about it because of the possibility that Yogsloth is a godfather who's lying about being a Rolecop, but really that's too bizarre to make any sense.

I have some more breadcrumbs - from my first post of the game: - from my second post of the game. They weren't particularly important with the way the game was set up, but it was fun doing them.

Anything to say ZFR? Yogsloth asked you 'who are the scums?' is it worth hearing your answer?

Bye ZFR. Better luck next game.

I'm thinking ZFR and you.

*shrug*