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yogsloth: I think microfish is pretty tonally pure.

The whole thing about "investigate me as vanilla to prove I'm Town" is what on MU they call a "derpclear". I buy it.

Not voting there.
OK, there is no way in heck scum!yog would be protecting scum!micro this way. If Micro was a mafia who screwed up, yog would be the first one bussing him at this stage (L-2). If Micro flips scum, this pretty much confirms yogs as Town as far as I'm concerned.

So, with (Micro,yog) FF not possible, the other options are:

TT: Micro is a townie who played badly, and yogsloth is a townie who genuinely saw a "derpclear".
FT: Micro is a scum who screwed up, and yogsloth is a townie who genuinely took the screwup to be a "derpclear".
TF: Micro is a townie who played badly, and yogsloth is a scum who, seeing the wagon proceeding steadily towards an inevitable lynch, wanted to keep his hands clean after Micro flips town.

I'm really wondering about that third option.

Interestingly, Joe also "kind felt the same way". *sniff* *sniff* Smells of trying-to-keep-hands-clean-after-townie-flips too.
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ZFR: My, my.... funny how prehistoric posts suddenly appear eons later. I spent a good portion of D1 on Korotan, partially because of his "I could be neutral" comment, and no one bothered with it.
Now all of a sudden yogsloth jumps at it, and immediately next as if on cue, blotunga.
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blotunga: I had Koro just as you on my fishy list on D1. If you remember I was the only one who found him off. I don't remember the post exactly, and my connection here is to crappy to try to find it but I'm sure I mentioned it. But then you started jumping on me and I had to go to sleep so I didn't pursue it.
You never ever before brought up the "neutral" issue about Koro. Now all of a sudden you saw it.
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Microfish_1: Votecount please

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Bookwyrm627: I think you are misunderstanding the situation here. I don't want your unvote. I want your flip.
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Microfish_1: Book's pushing me to vote for Blot but refusing to vote himself is weirding me out.

I'm gonna go on a limb and

@mod vote Blotunga for now

IF Book does not vote for Blot, after pushing me to flip & vote for Blot, I think Book himself is shady.
At what point did I push you to vote for Blotunga?

Maybe my meaning will become clearer if I specify that a flip is when the mod reveals the alignment and role of a 'dead' player.

I don't want or care about you, Micro, unvoting me. I want you, Micro, dead.
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Bookwyrm627: I don't want or care about you, Micro, unvoting me. I want you, Micro, dead.
Even after the claim?
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JoeSapphire: .........

The flub dramatically announces "I SAW YOU" (I approve of his flair)

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flubbucket: The whole of this post consists of me seeing yogsloth's "light" on when he was under pressure.

I had just woke up and failed to refresh the game, so I didn't see the whole other page of posts from him and others.

I am dumb.
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flubbucket: ...

but I can see yoglsoths claim as vanilla town. It's what I expected.

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and this? What were you referring to here? Why did you expect?



Now that microfish says he got rolecop and cop confused the whole thing makes more sense and I'm inclined to believe him.

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ZFR: Interestingly, Joe also "kind felt the same way". *sniff* *sniff* Smells of trying-to-keep-hands-clean-after-townie-flips too.
I was trying to say that I had been feeling the same way, but Yogsloth's reaction was giving me uncertainties about what was going on. You point out that, as a team, yogs wouldn't have reacted so and maybe you're right.


It occurs to me that there's a possibility microfish was attempting to get a counter-claim from the cop because he felt like he was doomed anyway...

but, if he was mafia, would 'the rolecop is not the cop' not have been discussed in the night chat?



brain... dying... flubbucket... has... killed... me.....
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blotunga: I had Koro just as you on my fishy list on D1. If you remember I was the only one who found him off. I don't remember the post exactly, and my connection here is to crappy to try to find it but I'm sure I mentioned it. But then you started jumping on me and I had to go to sleep so I didn't pursue it.
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ZFR: You never ever before brought up the "neutral" issue about Koro. Now all of a sudden you saw it.
Not the neutral issue but the fact that he seemed to wait for coaching.
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flubbucket: ...

but I can see yoglsoths claim as vanilla town. It's what I expected.

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JoeSapphire: and this? What were you referring to here? Why did you expect?

Now that microfish says he got rolecop and cop confused the whole thing makes more sense and I'm inclined to believe him.

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ZFR: Interestingly, Joe also "kind felt the same way". *sniff* *sniff* Smells of trying-to-keep-hands-clean-after-townie-flips too.
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JoeSapphire: I was trying to say that I had been feeling the same way, but Yogsloth's reaction was giving me uncertainties about what was going on. You point out that, as a team, yogs wouldn't have reacted so and maybe you're right.

It occurs to me that there's a possibility microfish was attempting to get a counter-claim from the cop because he felt like he was doomed anyway...

but, if he was mafia, would 'the rolecop is not the cop' not have been discussed in the night chat?

brain... dying... flubbucket... has... killed... me.....
yogsloth's overall tone was one of vanilla town in my opinion. I simply made up my mind based on my interpretation of his posts.

To continue to insinuate I led you to believe anything is weak at best and scummy at worst.

Sadly, I have no ability to kill anyone's brain.

BTW.....Still shady over here.
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Microfish_1: I went off the original post list, and grouped based off of the four I haven't played with vs the four I have played with.
So at least one of the players you haven't played with must be scum, one of the players you have played with must be scum, and someone else is probably scum. I...I really don't know how to respond to this.

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Microfish_1: I will say one more thing--I am town, vanilla. I bid for Rolecop, and lost. If the rolecop is Town, I invite them to investigate me overnight and prove my innocence.
If the Rolecop is scum, yikes. I don't know if such a thing is possible, but...at least it prevents scum from getting a useful-to-scum role?
Micro. I'm struggling for words, here. You've got so many things wrong, that I have no idea how to understand you. I know I tend to be very focused on factual tidbits, and I like having my ducks lined up in a row. I just...I don't understand how you are presenting so much bad information with a straight face.

-Pooka's lack of vote on me.
-What a role cop does.
-Every role being available for anyone to take. You even participated in the role selection process.

And that's just three things off the top of my head. I'm at the point where I think that we need to lynch you even if you are town. Your commentary is simply too distant from the reality of this game, and I'm not seeing any signs of improvement. Town!you, being this far off base, is going to do more harm than good.

Though honestly, I'm reminded of one of SupplementScene's early games, where he rolled scum. He also used over-the-top BS.

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yogsloth: We didn't have a lynch, so no wagons to analyze. No night actions to report. Watchya gonna do?
I'm going to scum hunt. You should try it.

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JoeSapphire: At MU what does a derpclear generally signifiy?
A derpclear means someone said something so foolish or wrong that they have to be town. "Too Dumb To Be Scum", basically.

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blotunga: @Microfish: since you claimed, you might aswell give us a name and the text of your investigation last night.
His investigation, huh? What would you know about his investigation?

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blotunga: Otoh claiming a neutral role is risky and I don't think people would coach you to do that.
So Microfish and Blotunga are two of the scum.

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blotunga: If you remember I was the only one who found him off.
No. No, I don't remember this at all.

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ZFR: OK, there is no way in heck scum!yog would be protecting scum!micro this way.
I'm kind of thinking that yog isn't scum with Micro and Blotunga because I'd expect something a little more believable in the way of story/scripting if yog were present. I don't see him tolerating such a bass-ackwards plan of attack; he'd find a better angle.

I could see him declining the lynch of a scum buddy, especially if that scum buddy got a decent role.

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Bookwyrm627: I don't want or care about you, Micro, unvoting me. I want you, Micro, dead.
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ZFR: Even after the claim?
At the time of that post, I was on a mobile device and just responding to a 'post reply' tag from the forum. Now that I've caught up, my answer is not "Yes", it is "Yes, yes, yes, hell yes, why isn't he dead yet?".
@wyrm i've corrected myself regarding Microfish.

Also, on what planet do you think me scumbuddy with him when I jumped on him on his first small blunder (which I still think is scummy), but his claim is a bit confusing. If he's scum maybe he wasn't expecting to come under fire so that's why his almost but not really role cop claim.
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blotunga: Also, on what planet do you think me scumbuddy with him when I jumped on him on his first small blunder
He he he...

It's like you haven't played with scene last game, just few weeks.
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flubbucket: To continue to insinuate I led you to believe anything is weak at best and scummy at worst.
I'm not insinuating, I'm explaining what happened: Whether you intended me to or not I unvoted Yogsloth based on your statement that he had claimed vanilla town.


It's clear that I've misunderstood. I've been trying to make sense of what it was that I misunderstood.
Why do you feel like I'm attempting to make you look bad?
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blotunga: Also, on what planet do you think me scumbuddy with him when I jumped on him on his first small blunder
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ZFR: He he he...

It's like you haven't played with scene last game, just few weeks.
True, I guess. Well, I'm not scum this time. Ofc I would say this even if I were. Anyway imho Micro's self defense isn't very convincing, on the other hand I think that he wasn't coached to claim the vanilla who wanted to be a role-cop role, so I'm not sure what to think.
At this point I'm willing to lynch either Micro or Korotan, would most likely do so with yos and maybe wyrm.
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JoeSapphire: You seem convinced. How convinced are you?

At MU what does a derpclear generally signifiy?

also I never got a response to my questions before - I should have put your name in bold:

Yogsloth - are you genuinely convinced that flubbucket is town?
Do you think I'm wrong to have concerns about the way your lynch wagon turned out yesterday?
a) reasonably convinced
b) A derpclear is almost always a townie making a mistake about the setup that a wolf would be more careful about and would know the right answer. They can be faked, but it's pretty embarrassing to try if you get caught
c) Yep, flub is town
d) I don't know and i don't care


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yogsloth: I think microfish is pretty tonally pure.

The whole thing about "investigate me as vanilla to prove I'm Town" is what on MU they call a "derpclear". I buy it.

Not voting there.
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ZFR: OK, there is no way in heck scum!yog would be protecting scum!micro this way. If Micro was a mafia who screwed up, yog would be the first one bussing him at this stage (L-2).
lmao this is so true

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flubbucket: yogsloth's overall tone was one of vanilla town in my opinion. I simply made up my mind based on my interpretation of his posts.
wolf!flub never ever EVER says this
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Bookwyrm627: I'm going to scum hunt. You should try it.
Look son

I've learned more about scum hunting than you've ever forgotton

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No, no hang on



I've forgotten more about scum hunting than I've ever learned

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Wait, hang on


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