RWarehall: I think you are grossly simplifying other people's opinions. You seem to be ignoring all the reasons people have given as to precisely why they voted for Yogs, for example. The reasons went further than not liking his playstyle. I know specifically both Lift and I talked about how Yog's play seemed different than other games where he used a similar tactic.
You also seem to be ignoring the fact that any tactic involving soft claims of PRs and the like, just invites discussion of exactly that. When an entire day becomes absorbed by discussion of PRs and soft claims
, don't you think that stands a good chance of giving scum some information on the subject? And as much as you are proclaiming how everyone should be entitled to play their way,
you seem to be making quite a few demands about how anyone soft-claiming like that should be just left alone by town so that only scum will be caught attacking them. I'd like to see how you plan to propagate this "memo" to only townies to make this a viable strategy.
And what your plan will be when Yogs rolls scum next. Ignore him for the win? And when it comes to town all working together and agreeing with each other,
which person is it should we be agreeing with especially when there are two schools of thought going on? Presumably you I take it. We had about half of people thinking Yogs seemed scummy; half Dess and as Yogi Berra would say it, half on the fence.
At the end of it all, people voted, with the exception of scum, the way they felt. What is wrong with that? Besides the results anyway, but it seems we were playing a rigged game...
The problem I'm having is whether you are saying these things out of genuine frustration or whether this is some tactic. I see enough holes in your arguments that I have to wonder whether it's genuine lack of forethought, or this is a hastily contrived smokescreen of some sort.
For now, I haven't really decided, hence my lack of a vote or intent to vote. While I suggested and still believe it's possible both you and Meda are scum, I still think it more likely it's one or the other. Heck, for all I know it could be neither of you, but you two stick out right now. I am looking in other directions, but as soon as I think I might be onto someone, they say something which looks like it may be genuine.
Hmm...I think I have an interesting avenue of investigation though...let me check a few things and maybe we can look at things from a new perspective...
1. This tactic as you call it will only work in this setup, it's not a viable option for every setup. In a typical setup I would vote anyone soft claiming a role, it drives me nuts when people do that. And it's really only a viable option on Day 1 or maybe on Day 2, but beyond that any investigative role would only speak up if they truly found scum.
2. My thought on the whole thing is it confuses scum because they don't know if someone is full of it so they leave them alone or if they really have a role and go after them. Scum have a huge advantage this game and anything that confuses them is a benefit to town.
3. I was not making any demands, I was pointing out what I wish we had done. As I said the soft claiming only works in this setup,it's not something I would want to see in a standard mafia game.
4. In another game if yog's tried soft claiming like he did I would vote him and push for his lynch because I find it a scummy play to do that. But as I said in this setup I think it works.
5, If people actually attempted to town hunt instead of solely focusing on scum hunting we would be able to work together. And no I was not trying to imply that people should follow what I say because I am far from being town in most peoples eyes it seems. But we have to make a choice in who we think is town and actually listen to their thoughts and opinions because it takes a team effort to win this.
6. There's absolutely nothing wrong with people voting for who they thought was scum, I never said there was.
7. I am very frustrated, but I also want us to actually work together to find scum and win this.
