About my comment how a no lynch could have been a possible viable option Day 1 or 2 yet now I want to make sure we lynch someone today? It's simple, I don't think a no lynch at this point helps us at all. The only way a no lynch would have even been a real viable option on Day 2 is if we had lynched scum on Day 1 or scum was vig'd on Night 1.

Yes you've caught us, me and Sage are scum buddies busing you. I mean what were we thinking voting you. Let me just grab my stash of donuts and I will follow you to my death.

p.s. Sorry work has been a bear for you, I hope the situation improves for you soon!

It is part of my analysis for the NK. Yes, a LAMIST accusation can be leveled at me for talking about how I'd have done things differently, but looking at what scum did to see if anything can be gleaned is worthwhile.

Neck risking: Look at Cristi's thought process from end of Day 1. She outlines how Dessimu should be the D2 lynch if he survives N1. I think she wouldn't have been the only one thinking that, and I think being opposed to such a lynch would put the opposer at risk. This is something I've already mentioned; I mention it again because someone (new) has brought it up again.

I don't have infinite time, and digging through posts for specifics takes time. I had just recently accused her of not backing up her statements with specifics; seemed only fair that I do the same for my accusations. The second note about me getting back to that was an open admission/statement that "Hey, I haven't forgotten that I still need to do this".

A different person asked for clarification on the same subject, so I clarified again.

Lift questioned me.
Hyper questioned me.
Flub questioned me.
Cristi questioned me.

Considering how many people asked me about (roughly) the same topic, are you surprised I kept covering the same ground?

Look at who her scum and town reads are. Look at when they change from one side to the other.

I'll concede that her list isn't perfectly static, but some names have remained unmoved for nearly the entire game.

*shrug* The first half was basically a joke (thus the "Naw"). The second half was more serious, and will not surprise most people.

Lift came back to talk about it some more. I responded to his question.

As you point out, Hyper came back to ask about it some more, so I responded to his questions.

Missed this question from you on my first pass through,

Post 366

A scum Bookwyrm is not making that post IMO.

@dedo - I am in favor of the deadline shift.

Going to state the most obvious first:

Don't see Trent/Lift as scum buddies
Don't see RW/Bookwyrm as scum buddies
Don't see Sage/Bookwyrm as scum buddies

I have a hard time believing the first two were an act and I don't think Sage makes this type of post on her buddy.

Thoughts on players next.

I forgot to tag you in my last question to you. So I'll repeat it with a tag so that you don't miss it when you're online again: Why didn't you vote on the end of Day 1? You were the only one who didn't try to avoid a no-lynch by casting a vote.

I love the way you have decided to attack me directly. Wonder if this has anything to do with Flub getting close to a lynch...

Seeing you and now Lift try to discredit me as the Flub lynch is gaining momentum wouldn't be scum trying to derail a scum lynch train, would it?

I don't think the timing of this is a coincidence...

Nice, you characterize my presence end of day as waffling...
Where were you? What was your end of day contribution?
Oh right, you decided which WAGON you liked best to join (your words). And now Day 2 you posted how you really didn't like either of them, so "Don't blame me, not my fault".

But let me tell you what really happened.
It became clear there was no movement toward Yogs. It was 2 am. With the deadline at 6, I severely questioned whether anyone else would show before deadline. So I caved in and voted Dess, putting him at L-1 for the sake of consensus. Didn't see this scumminess the others seemed to see, but it's a day 1 read. Nothing stuck out. Better to gain information than not. Then he claimed. Trent removed his vote. I removed my vote. Trent returned his vote and Yogs, Meda and Trent talked about how they didn't believe him and they made it clear they didn't want to vote Yogs. I could see why they suspected Dess could be lying, I asked a few questions, tried to read reactions, but have you ever been in a room with a few of your friends and you know there is a subject they all agree on and you don't (like politics)? Well, Yogs and Meda and Trent all wanted Dess dead. They were the only people on. I didn't see the point trying to convince them.

I did suggest how bad it would be if Dess was really the cop and was lynched. I did suggest that maybe a no-lynch might be better than killing a claimed cop. And I didn't vote him and leave him dangling at L-1. But I guess that was "just waffling"...

@Lift in response to post 532:
Book made a good point? Really?

I set my alarm to 5:45 and left my computer on. I got up. Made a quick post saying I was there. Didn't have a chance to read anything yet. And when my post posted, Meda had voted. I do a quick read, see lynch has been achieved but before being able to say anything again (you know 10 minutes and all and none of you bumped for me), Dedo closed the day.

The only two times he's been scum that come to mind are Lift's all-scum game and Bler's smurf game. The all-scum game was distinctly special circumstances, and (double checking) Drealmer was lynched < 20 posts into Day 2 (after a D1 No Lynch) and he was nailed for an obvious claim lie.

I don't have much frame of reference for his actual scum game. As such, I don't assign his tunnel to just town drealmer, because there really hasn't been much chance for me to see whether scum drealmer does it or not.

Pre-post edit: Turns out he was mafia in Agent's lovers game. I was assistant mod, and I don't remember much about it.

As with Sage, see how often Meda has changed her mind on who is town and who is scum. The most prominent name, for me at least, is my own. I have not moved from her scum list since I first showed up there early on; that read has been very consistent. Without going back and double checking, I believe her Lift read has been very consistently Town. I have noticed that RW got moved from favorite choice for scum over to town, starting around the End of Day 1.

I'll eat my words on the QFT. I couldn't resist the jab and I've developed a fondness for using "QFT".

You were simply the first person to get a vote. Jumping on the first/biggest wagon going is one of my "Break RVS" methods, though apparently the only other time I've employed (a variation of) it was in Bler's hospital game, and that one had some rather extenuating circumstances backing the play.

I'm pretty sure I've done something similar in another game, but boop me if I can find it.

Pretend I edited those catches in. Just don't tell Dedo.

...and didn't put it back on yogs. Although you say you would have preferred his lynch. At this point you could have done that easily and that is the point I don't understand - it doesn't make sense no matter whether you are town or scum (scum could have easily hopped back to the other mislynch - yogs). So why did you prefer to leave your vote unplaced instead of re-placing it on yogs?

Poorly phrased. I guess I should have said you seemed quite satisfied with the state of the game at the time...
Let's just say maybe my suspicion of you might have slipped into my typing...

I do find it very "convenient" that a few players seem to be going after me, just as you have gained quite a few votes...
Probably completely unrelated and probably not intended to take pressure off you at all...

@Hyper re:536 You seem to be reading it correctly. I am accusing Bookwyrm of providing cover for at least one of those who look bad by being AWOL the entire last day.

And thank you for clarifying the time zones. Somehow I got the 5-6 hour difference backwards and you and Meda were up until Midnight/1 am. Still bonus points from me for attending at deadline, just certainly not as many...

I was getting slightly worried about this Flub lynch when I saw Trent joined Meda on the lynch train, but with Book and Lift really trying to push me with it gaining steam, I'm rather convinced now, I might be on the correct track.
(I'm a little proud of myself for putting together all those train references! Joy to small things!)

@Lift last post: I said it a couple times. I thought it was a bad idea leaving anyone at L-1 overnight. It leaves it too open for scum to roll in and mislynch him if I was wrong. Even though I was generally town reading Dess that day, the timing of his claim coupled with his immediately leaving gave me some of doubt. I didn't want to leave it up to some scum to vote or ignore it at their whim with little explanation. If I wasn't planning to wake up before deadline, I would have probably had to though. That and the Yogs of that night was sounding more like the town Yogs I had been looking for. Of course he didn't start to sound like town Yogs to me until he hit L-2, so there was that...

A distraction from my points.

And if Flub somehow flips town, what conclusions do you draw from it?

Another distraction from my points.

I was sleeping. I made my contributions, such as they were, before end of day.

Citation needed. Where did I say something like this?

The evidence does not show you making a stand either way on the claim.

Yes, you pointed out that town really shouldn't be lynching town power roles. With the vague possible exception of Meda (if she comes from some really screwed up site), this is a well known idea to literally every person in this game.

Yes, you asked whether no lynch might be better, and you promptly dropped that line of inquiry after that post. Kind of interesting that you might suggest No Lynch after this post.

Yes, you removed your vote, and then never put it back anywhere. You didn't suggest going to anyone else, you didn't put it on Yog to make avoiding a lynch of the PR claim easier, and you didn't even say whether you personally believed the claim or not. As you've said, scum would have been happy with either lynch, and someone else (Yog, I believe) has noted that scum would be happy with a No Lynch in this double NK game (though mislynches are nicer).

What points? You really don't have any points...
You seem to be throwing mud at the wall.

Read my God damn responses instead of ignoring and skewing everytrhing.

Great shitposting...

I love the way you just happen to point out how I was the one who put Dess at L-1 forcing his claim with your link...
Yup, that was me. I went against my read to achieve a lynch over what was looking like a stalemate.

And now you try again to twist my talk of No-Lynch into something it wasn't.
Specifically, I was suggesting that No-Lynch might be superior to killing a claimed PR.
Not that I supported No-Lynch in general. And what was the point of continuing the discussion about it when both Trent and Yogs left and only Meda was on.

Nice mudflinging. Try to discredit me harder...

I think you are just proving how you are not carefully reading anything and faking it, looking for any avenue to attack me.
And why is that? Wonder what the vote count looks like?

When I went to bed, I left the idea out there that it might be a better idea to no-lynch than to lynch Dess. What did you do Book? Oh right? You were sleeping...you don't like what I did? Well what were you doing that was better?

And you know what? Even though deadline was less than 4 hours away, I woke up to be there if needed while you were asleep in your cozy bed. Oh yeah, you "conveniently" claim you arrived just after lynch but with 90 seconds to spare... You talk of how you switched to Dess as the better "wagon" of the two just to help focus for town. You point out how you wouldn't double-tap Dessimu but would rather kill two other townies. I guess we all should just believe you since scum double-tapped, it can't possibly be you right? You claim how Meda has been focused on the same players all game and then talk about how she has been all over the place. Can you get your facts straight? Or are you so focused on guiding all commentary to your point of view while making sure that you discredit anyone who suspects you or your scum buddies....

Fact or speculation?

Haven't gone back to check at all but iirc Dessimu talked most about trent's behavior being weird, having checked him as his best read on the table, and how that behavior didn't add up.


Don't like (for town). Anyway I don't think that's an accurate representation of my play? Have no issues to speak of with your playstyle at all or anyone's here!



Um I dunno I just know when I'm obvtown and when I'm not I think. I guess I feel totally out of my element on this site and so I may overstate myself a bunch out of confusion? I've also felt really rushed which might not help. Not really sure where you're reading the cockiness sorry. As scum I play to what the game needs. First of all as scum I obvtown (like I am here but it would be way more because I don't really have the will to gamesolve atm so if I were scum I could be goodposting all over the place but I just feel stifled), which is probably why I've never been lynched (never been lynched as either alignment), second of all I play really pro-town in a kind of surgical way and just mislead town. So no this isn't my scumplay at all.



Wow I'm so sorry if I've come across contemptuous, I don't know how that happened sorry. Am still not really sure what you're talking about wrt expecting other ppl to play a certain way sorry. Anyway maybe you're just scum trying to discredit me so I dunno how to take this.



K I dunno why you keep saying this same thing? Am I really being intolerant of how other ppl are playing? Someone tell me if I'm being gaslit here?



Cause he was active lurking and he's done nothing and now that he's getting wagoned he comes out. It's survivalistic scum behavior. And wrt 450 far as I remember he listed several weak reasons that were worst case a nulltown read from how I read it, waffled, never called me scum, gave no solid reasons for thinking I'm scum. It was the kind of really weak thing I see when scum try to make a case on an obvtown slot and just can't come up with anything.


Anyway sorry I don't have more time for this, I feel badly but I feel totally out of this game. I think that Flubb is scum and I've looked at rware's posts on this page and it feels strongly like townposting to me so if Lift and rware agree on something else I'll follow that too.