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Posted March 29, 2017
The legend is reborn.



<span class="bold">Planescape: Torment Enhanced Edition</span>, the return of the most celebrated RPG of all time, is now available for pre-order, DRM-free on GOG.com with a 30% discount for owners of the original!

A layered story laced with philosophical undercurrents. A fantasy setting unlike any other. One of the most memorable casts of eccentric, interconnected characters. This is Planescape: Torment, the gold standard for narrative-driven RPGs of the past 18 years. And now it's back!
Beamdog and lead designer <span class="bold">Chris Avellone</span> joined forces to update the game with fixes, enhancements, and key additions, all in sync with the original vision of this timeless masterpiece. With a remastered soundtrack, a crisp 4K interface, and neat convenience features, the Enhanced Edition is coming to captivate a new audience and remind its dedicated fans why they just seem unable to take it off their all-time favorites list.


The 30% discount for owners of <span class="bold">Planescape: Torment</span> will last until April 4, 9 PM UTC.

Note: <span class="bold">Planescape: Torment Enhanced Edition</span> will feature the unaltered original version and the Enhanced Edition in one definitive collection exclusively on GOG.com. The original game will no longer be available for purchase on its own, after the Enhanced Edition is released. Owners of the classic Planescape: Torment will not be affected by upcoming changes to the product.


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dudalb: "Cultural Marxism"?
"Virtue Signaling"

All the alt right clichés.
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GreasyDogMeat: Cliches or not... truth and the instance in SoD is a cliche example of just those things.

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dudalb: And yes, I think a lot of it is a longing for a return to the day when White European Males rules the world,and to put everybody else back in their place.

Just Ain't Happening.
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GreasyDogMeat: Can't speak for everyone but for me it's a longing for the return of the day when a-hole racists in media positions weren't trying to guilt trip white people for nothing other than their skin color.

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throgh: But don't blame people with different opinions or make here another political agenda out of it. That's it! :)
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GreasyDogMeat: Wait... so it's ok for BeamDog to make a political agenda out of it but not consumers? Hell... it wasn't even the consumers that made the SoD stuff an issue! It was Amber Scott of BeamDog that made it an issue i nthe first place!

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dudalb: Notice the guy's avatar. That tells you are you need to know.
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GreasyDogMeat: Oh no... a Trump supporter... OPINION INVALIDATED!
Thanks for proving every point I made.
Posted March 30, 2017
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dtgreene: In all seriousness, seeing as the main character's name is not known (or doesn't even exist), I think they (the original developers, not the ones in charge of the EE) should have made that character of ambiguous gender, or perhaps genderless.
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Immoli: [redacted because the original post contains some very offensive language and claims]
Your post indicates that: 1. You don't really understand biology, and that 2. You seem to be unable to appreciate the diversity of the human experience.

Also, sometimes even doctors are unable to tell whether a newborn is a boy or girl. It's not as simple as your post makes it out to be.
Posted March 30, 2017
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dudalb: Thanks for proving every point I made.
Fantastic rebuttal. Foolish of me to attempt to discuss an issue with a mind as great as this. I'm in awe sir.
Posted March 30, 2017
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CMOT70: Someone else in this thread has probably said this before me, but anyway, Black Isle produced PT, not Bioware. So using it as an example of Bioware falling isn't really all that accurate.

I have the original boxed version of PT and there is absolutely no mention of Bioware on the box or manual, the credits are for Black Isle. Even the first BG had more to do with Black Isle than Bioware- again I have the original box and Bioware are only credited with producing the Infinity game engine...the rest is Black Isle again. Only in BG 2 did Bioware really start fully producing a game. And for me BG 2 is where things started going down hill with overscripted uncontrolled events taking over from actual role play...so I don't think Bioware have fallen, I think they are where they have always been.
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GreasyDogMeat: Really? Are you sure? I'd always thought Baldur's Gate was a Bioware game. I guess that explains why I always preferred BG 1 to 2 and why I felt Bioware was kind of slouching after.
Original BG is generally credited to Bioware and technically probably is theirs. But like I say the original first edition box only has a Black Isle logo and doesn't even mention Bioware at all. I just found the original manual and Black Isle are listed first with Bioware second mainly for programing. I also have a later edition with the expansion added and it lists both Black Isle and Bioware on the box. Regardless, I think the Black Isle influence was obvious at first and the more Bioware got involved the more it went down- by my personal standards as to what makes a good RPG anyway.

But I admit I've always loved the work of Black Isle and Troika, IMO they made the finest isometric RPG's ever. Bioware were only ever a shadow of them even when at their best.
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Cygi: I'm not downvoting anyone, because I don't give a damn.
So should you.

Also, someone is against Beamdog =/= downvote different opinion.
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throgh: Let me think ... oh wait: Did I mention you by name for "downvoting"? No. Did I mention anyone else by name? Also the same answer: No. This was just a general reaction because "downvoting" is nothing else than some kind of punishment for whatever besides that this rating system is also useless. And you made your point clear. Do I have to agree with? Again: No. It's just a part of a dialogue. And it is an overreaction making this thread here to another political lobby.

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GreasyDogMeat: The problem is people don't accept it. People are losing their jobs for their political opinions in this day and age... and the issue with SoD was far more than one line of dialogue. We can, by all means, ignore the propaganda aspect of BeamDog because that is only one issue, and a fairly small one compared to how poor their work. So far, the ONLY work I've seen from them that was fairly bug-free was Icewind Dale EE... which is far more linear and simple than the Baldur's Gate games (not that there is anything wrong with that).
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throgh: Last reaction from me, because I think the thread is driving into political madness as it is used to make another agenda against the beloved enemy "political correctness" (playing some bullshit-bingo would be the preferred description in my eyes): Is this the case especially here? And people to be hunted down for some behaviour is also the false reaction, but I think this should be clear enough. Being reasonable means to stay in touch and to communicate. Not to get any type of "punishment" again or using single-sided views or type of words. Or should I say: Today even people with just idealistic values are called "SJW" just because their comment fits into some kind of profile? And it's all about profiling, which should be stopped and questioned. We are all the same, just humans and therefore imperfect but we should be ready to learn from failures of the past and don't repeat them in just other combinations. But enough of this! You've your point, I've got mine and I'm happy to see this new version here. Have a nice evening, day or night - depending on the timezone you're living in! :)
I repeat: In a lot cases the campaign against "Political Correctness" (and I think a lot of "Political Correctness" is idiotic)
is just a cover for wanting to bring the good old days when males of White European Descent has a monopoly of power.
What really makes them mad is that out and out bigotry is frowned upon in society,and displaying it openly has bad consquences. They want to be able to call a black person the N word and not have it have any consequences.
Posted March 30, 2017
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CMOT70: Original BG is generally credited to Bioware and technically probably is theirs. But like I say the original first edition box only has a Black Isle logo and doesn't even mention Bioware at all. I just found the original manual and Black Isle are listed first with Bioware second mainly for programing. I also have a later edition with the expansion added and it lists both Black Isle and Bioware on the box. Regardless, I think the Black Isle influence was obvious at first and the more Bioware got involved the more it went down- by my personal standards as to what makes a good RPG anyway.

But I admit I've always loved the work of Black Isle and Troika, IMO they made the finest isometric RPG's ever. Bioware were only ever a shadow of them even when at their best.
Completely agree with your later points... though I'm still completely surprised that the original BG 1 wasn't really their game and they were more of the helpers vs. being primary developers. I had always assumed it was the other way around. A lot of things make more sense now...
Posted March 30, 2017
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htown1980: I too am disappointed that the original won't still be available for purchase. I think it's outrageous. But you can't genuinely think it is gog that makes the call whether the original remains available rather than the publisher, can you?
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Immoli: That's not really what I am complaining about, but regardless GOG could very well at least say "We sell the classic or we don't sell the (((Enhanced Edition)))." That would require some balls and for GOG to not already be infested by SJWs.

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dtgreene: In all seriousness, seeing as the main character's name is not known (or doesn't even exist), I think they (the original developers, not the ones in charge of the EE) should have made that character of ambiguous gender, or perhaps genderless.
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Immoli: How does someone as retarded as you learn to use a computer? 5 year olds can tell if someone is a man or woman, and that is without the following test.
Take your pants off, then take your underwear off. Look between your legs. Is there a penis? Congrats, you're a man. Is there a vagina? Congrats, you're a woman. Is there somehow a fully functional penis AND vagina? You seem to be suffering from a birth defect, how you have not noticed until now is another sign of your mental deficiency. Report to a hospital and they can run a DNA test (among others) on you to find out if you are are man or woman.
Don't worry, you wont be "ambiguous" or "genderless" as those things exist only in your head.
Soon in America: Gender-less toilets. XD
Posted March 30, 2017
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dudalb: I repeat: In a lot cases the campaign against "Political Correctness" (and I think a lot of "Political Correctness" is idiotic)
is just a cover for wanting to bring the good old days when males of White European Descent has a monopoly of power.
What really makes them mad is that out and out bigotry is frowned upon in society,and displaying it openly has bad consquences. They want to be able to call a black person the N word and not have it have any consequences.
Responding to you may be a waste of time as you showed with your last post... but I'll try again. There definitely are some racists out there, what bothers a lot of us though is the double standard. An example is an openly racist developer who works at Bioware. He happens to be of Indian descent though so he has carte blanche to be as openly racist as he wants towards whites. Comparatively, JonTron, a Youtube, personality recently expressed more nationalistic views in an online debate and his voice work was removed from an upcoming game even though his debate had nothing to do with the upcoming game. That racist dev at Bioware? He makes no distance between himself and the company he works for and proudly announces he has the full support of major members of the company.

Racism is indeed ok these days... just against certain individuals. I've tried to live my life 'color-blind', but apparently even that is racist now days.
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throgh: Last reaction from me, because I think the thread is driving into political madness as it is used to make another agenda against the beloved enemy
So this is what this is all about... BD put some gay/trans-accepting words in a game, then far-wing bigots spread hate against the company... Bringing a political agenda to a hobbyist forum... The same way others (or the same) boycott Macy's...??

What an utter, big, fat, disgusting nonsense. To those microcephali idiots: Get your crap off my games!!!



EDIT: Trans. Also, this line is a good place to remind bigots to gently shove their brainfart propaganda up their @sses and vomit it somewhere else.
Post edited March 30, 2017 by Carradice
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GreasyDogMeat: Really? Are you sure? I'd always thought Baldur's Gate was a Bioware game. I guess that explains why I always preferred BG 1 to 2 and why I felt Bioware was kind of slouching after.
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CMOT70: Original BG is generally credited to Bioware and technically probably is theirs. But like I say the original first edition box only has a Black Isle logo and doesn't even mention Bioware at all. I just found the original manual and Black Isle are listed first with Bioware second mainly for programing. I also have a later edition with the expansion added and it lists both Black Isle and Bioware on the box. Regardless, I think the Black Isle influence was obvious at first and the more Bioware got involved the more it went down- by my personal standards as to what makes a good RPG anyway.

But I admit I've always loved the work of Black Isle and Troika, IMO they made the finest isometric RPG's ever. Bioware were only ever a shadow of them even when at their best.
As near as I can tell,The Baldur's Gate games ..both 1 and 2 and the expansions..were primarily the work of Bioware with Black Isle playing a minor role
whereas PT and the Icewind Dales games were the work of Black Isle, thought they licensed the Infintiy engine from Bioware for the games. That both series of games used the same engine might be the cause for the misconception that PT and the Icewind games were made by Bioware.
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dudalb: I repeat: In a lot cases the campaign against "Political Correctness" (and I think a lot of "Political Correctness" is idiotic)
is just a cover for wanting to bring the good old days when males of White European Descent has a monopoly of power.
What really makes them mad is that out and out bigotry is frowned upon in society,and displaying it openly has bad consquences. They want to be able to call a black person the N word and not have it have any consequences.
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GreasyDogMeat: Responding to you may be a waste of time as you showed with your last post... but I'll try again. There definitely are some racists out there, what bothers a lot of us though is the double standard. An example is an openly racist developer who works at Bioware. He happens to be of Indian descent though so he has carte blanche to be as openly racist as he wants towards whites. Comparatively, JonTron, a Youtube, personality recently expressed more nationalistic views in an online debate and his voice work was removed from an upcoming game even though his debate had nothing to do with the upcoming game. That racist dev at Bioware? He makes no distance between himself and the company he works for and proudly announces he has the full support of major members of the company.

Racism is indeed ok these days... just against certain individuals. I've tried to live my life 'color-blind', but apparently even that is racist now days.
Oh, yeah,the poor white males are so discriminated against......

But I think that you have "issues" with non whites in postions of authority has been established.
Post edited March 30, 2017 by dudalb
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dudalb: Oh, yeah,the poor white males are so discriminated against......
Losing your job over political leanings, losing it so an employer can fill out a diversity quota instead of hiring on merit or getting assaulted by groups like BLM ARE forms of descrimination... no matter how much sarcasm you inject into your substance lacking posts.
Post edited March 30, 2017 by GreasyDogMeat
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throgh: Last reaction from me, because I think the thread is driving into political madness as it is used to make another agenda against the beloved enemy
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Carradice: So this is what this is all about... BD put some gay/trans-accepting words in a game, then far-wing bigots spread hate against the company... Bringing a political agenda to a hobbyist forum... The same way others (or the same) boycott Macy's...??

What an utter, big, fat, disgusting nonsense. To those microcephali idiots: Get your crap off my games!!!

EDIT: Trans. Also, this line is a good place to remind bigots to gently shove their brainfart propaganda up their @sses and vomit it somewhere else.
Agreed, And the code words they use are really lame.
"Nationalism",sadly, is often a code word for "White Supremacy".
But it will be fun to wathc since their great god Donald is proving to be incredibly inept as President.
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dudalb: But I think that you have "issues" with non whites in postions of authority has been established.
Oh, you know me so well! I did very much dislike Obama. That was for his policies though. I remember the one positive of him being elected was me thinking that perhaps race relations would improve in the country. What a sucker I was... here we are 8 years later with the rise of black nationalist groups like BLM.

Also hate the idea of Blacks in power so much that I was for Ben Carson over Trump.

That's your play? The basic accusation of racism? You realize people like YOU are the exact reason Trump won right? People like you are the reason the alt-right is on the rise... something I see as a bad thing. Keep being a dividing fool... I strongly suspect the division in this country is going to get far worse before it gets better.

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dudalb: But it will be fun to wathc since their great god Donald is proving to be incredibly inept as President.
Spoken like someone who's primary, potentially only source of news is CNN... the Fox news of the left.
Post edited March 30, 2017 by GreasyDogMeat
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dudalb: Oh, yeah,the poor white males are so discriminated against......
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GreasyDogMeat: Losing your job over political leanings, losing it so an employer can fill out a diversity quota instead of hiring on merit or getting assaulted by groups like BLM ARE forms of descrimination... no matter how much sarcasm you inject into your substance lacking posts.
If you call a black person a N Word, is that a Political Leaning?
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dudalb: But I think that you have "issues" with non whites in postions of authority has been established.
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GreasyDogMeat: Oh, you know me so well! I did very much dislike Obama. That was for his policies though. I remember the one positive of him being elected was me thinking that perhaps race relations would improve in the country. What a sucker I was... here we are 8 years later with the rise of black nationalist groups like BLM.

Also hate the idea of Blacks in power so much that I was for Ben Carson over Trump.

That's your play? The basic accusation of racism? You realize people like YOU are the exact reason Trump won right? People like you are the reason the alt-right is on the rise... something I see as a bad thing. Keep being a dividing fool... I strongly suspect the division in this country is going to get far worse before it gets better.

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dudalb: But it will be fun to wathc since their great god Donald is proving to be incredibly inept as President.
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GreasyDogMeat: Spoken like someone who's primary, potentially only source of news is CNN... the Fox news of the left.
Keep drinking the Trump is God and Can Do No Wrong Kool Aid.
Post edited March 30, 2017 by dudalb
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dudalb: If you call a black person a N Word, is that a Political Leaning?
"Losing your job over political leanings" does not = calling a black person the "N word".

"Losing a job to a diversity quota hire" does not = calling a black person the "N word".

"Getting assaulted by groups like BLM" have to do with them being racist a-holes, not with some white instigating it with the "N word".

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dudalb: And there are no dividing fools on the right?
So you should be one of them too?

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dudalb: Incredible.
Not as incredible as your points.

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dudalb: And Donald is god and can do now wrong .Yeah, right.
You REALLY love to make assumptions don't you? Like... a LOT of assumptions. You putting words in my mouth and then mocking the ridiculousness of those words you put in my mouth isn't a discussion or debate.
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