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I haven't read this whole thread, so forgive me if the point has already been made, but for me, the biggest concern I have with pirating GOG games is that I fear it makes publishers less likely to allow their games be sold by GOG.

Now I'm not talking about 15 year old games here, obviously publishers are happy for every dollar they can get from games that old, but if pirating GOG games becomes more of a problem, then GOG isn't going to any relatively newer titles I'm afraid.

I realize there are folks here that would be fine with that, since they liked the "old" GOG (I did too), but I do confess to loving the idea of a DRM free The Wticher 2 and Legend of Grimrock. And I like the idea of perhaps getting DRM free versions of games within 3 to 5 years instead of 8 plus or something.

But, perhaps I'm entirely wrong on all of these worries too. I just don't know. But they are worries.
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Immoli: Guy has job and can afford PC and games and buys them.
Guy gets laid off, fired, serious illness, ect.
Guy can no longer afford games as he has to take care of bills, but he still has the computer from when he could afford things.

Also, they could have been given the computer for free.

Not hard to imagine a scenario in which someone can't afford games but has a computer.
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Fred_DM: fucked up logic here. you could attempt to rationalize pretty much any kind of theft with that kind of 'logic'.

fact is the games on GOG cost money. you want them, you have to pay. if you don't pay, you're stealing. stealing is a crime. end of story.

besides, it's well-known that the cost of games is not the reason for piracy. hell, the friggin' indie bundles get pirated, and you can get them for 1 cent. Call of Duty costs $10 more than any other newly released game, and it sells up to 20 million copies in record time.
1. Piracy is theft like rape is murder.

2. Read what I responded to, the guy was asking how someone could have a computer and not afford video games, I gave him examples.
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OldFatGuy: I haven't read this whole thread, so forgive me if the point has already been made, but for me, the biggest concern I have with pirating GOG games is that I fear it makes publishers less likely to allow their games be sold by GOG.
I doubt that. Steamworks games (Skyrim, FO:NV, and what not) are pirateable but publishers aren't puling out of Steam.

Edit: Because they are being pirated. EA is pulling out, but that is for other reasons.
Post edited April 01, 2012 by Immoli
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spinefarm: Mate there are ppl out there that can't aford bread to eat...so for them is expensive :) 5-10$ is not much...but still I don't believe numbers like that hurt so much and actually I think piracy is helping sites like GOG... do you see a Steam section on sites like that?
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Fuzzyfireball: If they can't afford bread to eat, they should maybe think about selling their computer instead of downloading games all day.
+1
Worst thing that can happen is GOG folds, and we move on with our lives. Well, sort of...
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gameon: I dont think theres anything wrong with second hand sales. Does anyone get annoyed that furniture shops are losing money from second hand sofa sales!?
A bad example. The problem with games is that they are so light that you can ship them worldwide with low costs. The transport costs of a couch are too high for it to be worth it to a second hand market and that market is most of the time limited to anything within driving range that won't cost you too much in gas.

There's a vast difference between the two. It's exactly the fact that it's so easily transported, and that second hand is now a worldwide deal that made that 'problem', if you want to call it that, bigger.
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spindown: Pirated video games? No way!
I heard some people even pirate other things, like music.
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spindown: Pirated video games? No way!
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StingingVelvet: I heard some people even pirate other things, like music.
Yes and movies and software...wow this is new....

I have one thing tha bothers my mind: Actually how many of you pirate stuff from internet - music/movies/games/software. Will say without hasitating? Or most of the ppl here are hypocrats .
Post edited April 01, 2012 by spinefarm
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spinefarm: Yes and movies and software...wow this is new....

I have one thing tha bothers my mind: Actually how many of you pirate stuff from internet - music/movies/games/software. Will say without hasitating? Or most of the ppl here are hypocrats .
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gameon: The thing is though, all this talk isn't a witch hunt to get people in trouble. I think its the uploaders/torrent sites etc that are the ones in the wrong and the ones who should be punished.

"regular joes" should just remember that by "illegaly" getting things, they are potentially killing a company.
So by your logic if I rob a bank and give you 1mil $ ...you are innocent? Strange logic
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Lonewolf1044: If a program was distributed on the web and the program had a copyright on it, DRM or no DRM it would be still be downloaded. If the program cost $200 in the store, it would be alluring to one who does not want to pay $200.00. However, there is still honest people on this earth that will pay the $200.00 and kudos to them.
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spinefarm: Yeah and everybody that pirates windows are so dishonest. F..k that ...If you sell a good product it sells well no matter the pirates.
Well you dishonest when you DL pirated software and that may be somewhat true if a product is good it would sell well but the company do not reach their full earning potential if it is pirated even if the product is good. Pirating to me will never be alright whether the product is good or bad. An excuse is just that an excuse and if caught it will never fly.
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spinefarm: So by your logic if I rob a bank and give you 1mil $ ...you are innocent? Strange logic
Why would the receiver be guilty? That'd mean that if I was a bank robber and seriously hated some guy, I could just give him some money after a heist, so he'd be guilty too.
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StingingVelvet: I heard some people even pirate other things, like music.
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spinefarm: Yes and movies and software...wow this is new....

I have one thing tha bothers my mind: Actually how many of you pirate stuff from internet - music/movies/games/software. Will say without hasitating? Or most of the ppl here are hypocrats .
I will say without hesitating that I never have. And happily take a polygraph. Was that your point? There is no here that has never pirated?? Cause I don't think that's true at all. I haven't, and I imagine there are lots of us that haven't.

That said, however, and I mean this, I will NOT judge others that do pirate. I will voice my concerns about it (as I did above), but I will NOT judge others that do. Because the publishers of this stuff are priates too in a way. They are constantly overcharging, gouging, and get ridiculous about the effect of pirating IN MY OPINION.

I understand others may feel different, and others may feel that the reason they overcharge and gouge is because or pirating, and I will retort that the reason that people pirate is because of the overcharging and gouging and around and around in that fun circle we can go.

Like just about everything else, we're divided on this issue too. I really do think there are two very, very different kinds of people in this world, that break down largely along idealogical lines, that IMO, would both be happier if there were some way could actually live separately.

Not feasible, I'm sure, but something I think about all the time.

I know, I know, I'm weird. It didn't take this post to convince others of that I hope. I've been that way my whole life. LOL

ADDED IN EDIT: Oh, and if it's alright I'd like to ask a question here. Is it considered appropriate to bump a question we have asked here once it moves off the front page??? Or would it be more appropriate to wait and bump it until it moved off the second or third one??? Or is bumping your own thread at any time considered a no-no???
Post edited April 01, 2012 by OldFatGuy
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spinefarm: Yes and movies and software...wow this is new....

I have one thing tha bothers my mind: Actually how many of you pirate stuff from internet - music/movies/games/software. Will say without hasitating? Or most of the ppl here are hypocrats .
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OldFatGuy: I will say without hesitating that I never have. And happily take a polygraph. Was that your point? There is no here that has never pirated?? Cause I don't think that's true at all. I haven't, and I imagine there are lots of us that haven't.

That said, however, and I mean this, I will NOT judge others that do pirate. I will voice my concerns about it (as I did above), but I will NOT judge others that do. Because the publishers of this stuff are priates too in a way. They are constantly overcharging, gouging, and get ridiculous about the effect of pirating IN MY OPINION.

I understand others may feel different, and others may feel that the reason they overcharge and gouge is because or pirating, and I will retort that the reason that people pirate is because of the overcharging and gouging and around and around in that fun circle we can go.

Like just about everything else, we're divided on this issue too. I really do think there are two very, very different kinds of people in this world, that break down largely along idealogical lines, that IMO, would both be happier if there were some way could actually live separately.

Not feasible, I'm sure, but something I think about all the time.

I know, I know, I'm weird. It didn't take this post to convince others of that I hope. I've been that way my whole life. LOL

ADDED IN EDIT: Oh, and if it's alright I'd like to ask a question here. Is it considered appropriate to bump a question we have asked here once it moves off the front page??? Or would it be more appropriate to wait and bump it until it moved off the second or third one??? Or is bumping your own thread at any time considered a no-no???
I will tell you right away my reasons for pirating stuff:
Movies - they don't distribute the movies I like in our cinemas
Music - they don't distribute the musi I like too(If i can buy it online I do)
Games - pricing is awfull for me and I can't afford most of the AAA titles
Software - I buy the software I use for work.

So yes lame excuses,but if you put urself in my shoes and live here for awhile you will understand my point.
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Neobr10: if someone cant spend 5,99 dollars on a fucking GOG game (which usually drop to 2,99 dollars on deals) how did he afford a PC to start with?
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Immoli: Guy has job and can afford PC and games and buys them.
Guy gets laid off, fired, serious illness, ect.
Guy can no longer afford games as he has to take care of bills, but he still has the computer from when he could afford things.

Also, they could have been given the computer for free.

Not hard to imagine a scenario in which someone can't afford games but has a computer.
Oh yeah? Your logic can be used to justify anything, even stealing.

Guy buys a car.
Guy then gets laid off, fired, serious illnes.
Guy can no longer afford gas and maintenance as he has to take care of bills.

Guy then can steal gas and tires, it doesnt matter.

I know piracy and theft are not the same thing. Still, it serves well to show that your logic is flawed.
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Pheace: This is really, really not true. I know of several sites that have the *entire* GOG collection available, and they still get added to whenever a new one comes out. It's out there, and it's being pirated.
And which sites are these?

Sekrit sites that only you know about?
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stonebro: And which sites are these?

Sekrit sites that only you know about?
Is this what they call denial or what's your point? I'm not going to post torrentsites here.
Post edited April 01, 2012 by Pheace