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spinefarm: He owns an account on that site :) He is just a hypocrat :)
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uulav: I have downloaded abandonware and freeware torrents from the site, i would never pirate a game that is still sold on stores or distributed trough dd sites.

What is your problem guy, it's not nice to tell lies about me here?
Abandonware is still piracy mate :) So you are a pirate too :) And with that you just recieved an arrow to the knee ;)
Post edited April 02, 2012 by spinefarm
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uulav: I have downloaded abandonware and freeware torrents from the site, i would never pirate a game that is still sold on stores or distributed trough dd sites.

What is your problem guy, it's not nice to tell lies about me here?
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Protoss: Umm, downloading "abandonware" is piracy.
Can you tell me who is losing sales over that?
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Protoss: Umm, downloading "abandonware" is piracy.
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uulav: Can you tell me who is losing sales over that?
The owners of the abandonware games maybe? Or that is not loosing money :)
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uulav: Can you tell me who is losing sales over that?
Piracy doesn't (necessarily) equal lost sales in ANY case, much less the abandonware case.

And as much as I love abandonware sites for keeping neglected software available for the public, there's no doubt whatsoever that it's still piracy. It's just "safe" piracy because the owners don't care enough about the product in question to bother prosecuting.
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uulav: Can you tell me who is losing sales over that?
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bevinator: Piracy doesn't (necessarily) equal lost sales in ANY case, much less the abandonware case.

And as much as I love abandonware sites for keeping neglected software available for the public, there's no doubt whatsoever that it's still piracy. It's just "safe" piracy because the owners don't care enough about the product in question to bother prosecuting.
But still it is a piracy :) So that is the hypocrisy part ;)
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uulav: Can you tell me who is losing sales over that?
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spinefarm: The owners of the abandonware games maybe? Or that is not loosing money :)
That is not true, but ok what ever floats your boat. Still saying its much more bad thing to pirate gog releases and new games.
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spinefarm: The owners of the abandonware games maybe? Or that is not loosing money :)
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uulav: That is not true, but ok what ever floats your boat. Still saying its much more bad thing to pirate gog releases and new games.
Couple of the games released on GOG are shown as abandonware on a lot of sites,but they are sold over GOG too.So your points is kinda weak atm. You've just stated that pirating abandonware is more good than other piracy and that is not true.
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uulav: That is not true, but ok what ever floats your boat. Still saying its much more bad thing to pirate gog releases and new games.
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spinefarm: Couple of the games released on GOG are shown as abandonware on a lot of sites,but they are sold over GOG too.So your points is kinda weak atm. You've just stated that pirating abandonware is more good than other piracy and that is not true.
I don't have anything else to say you, only that stop telling lies about me.
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uulav: I don't have anything else to say you, only that stop telling lies about me.
Abandonware is not a legally recognized term. Therefor any Abandonware you get (not Freeware) is piracy, regardless of whether it's for sale or not.

You can 'draw the line' for your own personal morals anywhere you like, but it's still piracy. He didn't lie.
Post edited April 02, 2012 by Pheace
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spinefarm: Couple of the games released on GOG are shown as abandonware on a lot of sites,but they are sold over GOG too.So your points is kinda weak atm. You've just stated that pirating abandonware is more good than other piracy and that is not true.
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uulav: I don't have anything else to say you, only that stop telling lies about me.
I didn't said anything,you shoot yourself alone with that abandonware stuff :)
Post edited April 02, 2012 by spinefarm
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uulav: I don't have anything else to say you, only that stop telling lies about me.
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spinefarm: I didn't said anything,you shoot yourself alone with that abandonware stuff :)
Another funny thing about the site in question is that they have a sharing policy.
Which means that you would either have to upload an equal amount of data to the one you download OR donate money to the site.

So, if it is indeed true that the OP has downloaded 6gb of data and only uploaded 50mb, it would mean that he/she donated money. Which in turn means funding all torrents on the site, gog or no gog.
Post edited April 02, 2012 by Longcat
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uulav: Your thoughts about this picture?
My initial and still current thought is that anyone caught distributing games illegally should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. (and then additionally in a back room without cameras).

Being able to afford a game or not does NOT entitle anyone to it. If you want to talk about healthcare or education, I'd agree that the waters can get muddy... but not over entertainment. Especially entertainment that requires a PC and an internet connection. If you can't afford 2.99 for a game, you aren't going to convince me that you can justify the internet connection or the PC. Its pretty black and white when we are talking about entertainment. Its not a necessity. You aren't saving your spouse's life when you pull the CD out of your jacket. If anyone here is as poor as some are claiming... you have my pitty, but you don't have the federal governments permission to steal from someone else... (potentially putting them in your place... all so you can be entertained).

However, with that said, I think a summary of what GOG does helps put this in light.

1. with DRM:

Some people will buy the game.
Some people will steal the game.
Some people will not buy the game because of the DRM.

2. without DRM:

Some people will buy the game.
Some people will steal the game.

The first two points don't really change. People set out to steal a game will steal it whether it has DRM or not. I know that I haven't bought a retail released game since I joined GOG (actually its been longer) so if we are going to count people stealing games that don't have DRM, we need to find a way to add in purchasers who are buying the games simply because they don't have the DRM as well.

(I'm assuming this is a jab at the DRM-free gog games, otherwise its just a post claiming that people steal games ;) )
Post edited April 02, 2012 by user deleted
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spinefarm: I didn't said anything,you shoot yourself alone with that abandonware stuff :)
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Longcat: Another funny thing about the site in mention is that they have a sharing policy.
Which means that you would either have to upload an equal amount of data to the one you download OR donate money to the site.

So, if it is indeed true that the OP has downloaded 6gb of data and only uploaded 50mb, it would mean that he/she donated money. Which in turn means funding all torrents on the site, gog or no gog.
he hasnt donated money and now he has uploaded 2gb (would have love to see what he had seeded (and therefor downloaded). he had the shitlisted icon but thats gone now. if you keep a bad ratio and dont donate then yes you get deleted

eitherway he is contributing still.

the site isnt particular known for its freeware, would be very hard to find 6gb of freeware.

but as others said, abandonware is piracy too.
Post edited April 02, 2012 by lugum
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Longcat: Another funny thing about the site in mention is that they have a sharing policy.
Which means that you would either have to upload an equal amount of data to the one you download OR donate money to the site.

So, if it is indeed true that the OP has downloaded 6gb of data and only uploaded 50mb, it would mean that he/she donated money. Which in turn means funding all torrents on the site, gog or no gog.
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lugum: he hasnt donated money and now he has uploaded 2gb (would have love to see what he had seeded (and therefor downloaded). he had the shitlisted icon but thats gone now. if you keep a bad ratio and dont donate then yes you get deleted

the site isnt particular known for its freeware, would be very hard to find 6gb of freeware.

but as others said, abandonware is piracy too.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up :)
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Longcat: Another funny thing about the site in mention is that they have a sharing policy.
Which means that you would either have to upload an equal amount of data to the one you download OR donate money to the site.

So, if it is indeed true that the OP has downloaded 6gb of data and only uploaded 50mb, it would mean that he/she donated money. Which in turn means funding all torrents on the site, gog or no gog.
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lugum: he hasnt donated money and now he has uploaded 2gb (would have love to see what he had seeded (and therefor downloaded). he had the shitlisted icon but thats gone now. if you keep a bad ratio and dont donate then yes you get deleted

the site isnt particular known for its freeware, would be very hard to find 6gb of freeware.

but as others said, abandonware is piracy too.
Can i ask how you know this situation so better than me? I haven't been using my account since i noticed that they are pirating gog games. If you really speak the truth my account has been hacked.
Post edited April 02, 2012 by uulav