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SWorD84: No. Most video games are a solitary affair. No social component.
And video games with multiplayer differ extremely from card and board games.
Don't underestimate the social factor of sitting around a table and drinking beer while playing a great game.
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orcishgamer: Tons of psychological studies disagree with you. There's a lot of great reading out there on the subject. Enjoy.
Tons of psychological studies disagree with you. There's a lot of great reading out there on the subject. Enjoy. :-)
All these misconceptions on both sides of the argument, it makes me shake my head to no end.(Especially when some here have explained how these people were mistaken and gotten called piracy justifiers or worse because of it, instead of listened to rationally and with an open mind.)

I GET it....you have your own opinion on things, but when someone proves you FACTUALLY wrong on something(Like piracy does not = theft, for one) i'd think some would have the guts to admit they were wrong and not cling to these misconceptions after being proven in the wrong. Talk about denial. (Also those who generalize and claim ALL pirates pirate because they can and not for their own [justified to them] reasons, as if they somehow KNOW this information is 100% feasible or accurate.)

(Addition) - Why don't we ALL act like adults instead of children for once, and be more open minded to the possibility that perhaps we truly DON'T know everything there is to know about what we feel passionately about & that we might sometimes need to readjust our ways of thinking of same from time to time?
Post edited April 02, 2012 by GameRager
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SWorD84: Tons of psychological studies disagree with you. There's a lot of great reading out there on the subject. Enjoy. :-)
Even my 9 year old nephew has passed this phase of parroting. Why don't you grow up, stop acting like a know-it-all dick and take on his suggestion?
Post edited April 02, 2012 by Kaustic
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Pheace: This is really, really not true. I know of several sites that have the *entire* GOG collection available, and they still get added to whenever a new one comes out. It's out there, and it's being pirated.
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stonebro: And which sites are these?

Sekrit sites that only you know about?
Well, I know exactly what site the screenie in the original post is from, so it does exist. It's a members only site, and not very known amongst most people, mostly focusing on old games. Can't say I know of any other sites that does this, but then again, I don't know a lot of underground torrent sites.

Funny thing is, the original poster would have to have an account or know someone who does to make that screenshot in the first place.
Post edited April 02, 2012 by Longcat
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Titanium: Does it make you angry because you had to pay for your games, but the pirates got their piece for free? Don't be! You did what's right, and that is the only thing that has any importance. When people find that feeling in themselves, that's where the real courage lies. Flailing your arms and cursing left and right only obscures the "vision", and blunts you to the fact that you can't win this one. That is, of course, unless you already won by default. See third sentence.
Excellent comment.
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Titanium: Does it make you angry because you had to pay for your games, but the pirates got their piece for free? Don't be! You did what's right, and that is the only thing that has any importance. When people find that feeling in themselves, that's where the real courage lies. Flailing your arms and cursing left and right only obscures the "vision", and blunts you to the fact that you can't win this one. That is, of course, unless you already won by default. See third sentence.

Hmm, I'm feeling kinda poetic today it would seem. tl;dr version: what are you blowing steam for? It's as if it has any real effect either way.

Though I must say, sending bogus virus reports in the torrent comments makes for some fun in the sun.
I don't think it has anything to do with ethics. By buying from GOG, instead of pirating from it, we are making an investment in the company, even if it's only a tiny sum of 6$, that's still 6$ more that GOG can put towards paying it's employees who work to get more games here, DRM-free.

Also, anyone who pirates when a reasonably priced DD version of the game is available, isn't a real fan, they are casual. They pirate it, and shuffle off, paying for something gives it measure of value to you, so they must think gaming is worthless.
Post edited April 02, 2012 by Crosmando
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SWorD84: Tons of psychological studies disagree with you. There's a lot of great reading out there on the subject. Enjoy. :-)
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Kaustic: Even my 9 year old nephew has passed this phase of parroting. Why don't you grow up, stop acting like a know-it-all dick and take on his suggestion?
Is this an insult?

You misunderstood. I give him the same advice as he gave me. If you had taken his advice you would know that there are no hard facts in psychology. He can show me many psychological studies for his point and I can show him many studies for my position as well.
Second: if he had been sincere about his advice he would had posted a few links and asked about my scientific background etc. He never really intended to discuss this subject on a scientific foundation.
Post edited April 02, 2012 by SWorD84
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Titanium: Does it make you angry because you had to pay for your games, but the pirates got their piece for free? Don't be! You did what's right, and that is the only thing that has any importance. When people find that feeling in themselves, that's where the real courage lies. Flailing your arms and cursing left and right only obscures the "vision", and blunts you to the fact that you can't win this one. That is, of course, unless you already won by default. See third sentence.

Hmm, I'm feeling kinda poetic today it would seem. tl;dr version: what are you blowing steam for? It's as if it has any real effect either way.

Though I must say, sending bogus virus reports in the torrent comments makes for some fun in the sun.
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Crosmando: I don't think it has anything to do with ethics. By buying from GOG, instead of pirating from it, we are making an investment in the company, even if it's only a tiny sum of 6$, that's still 6$ more that GOG can put towards paying it's employees who work to get more games here, DRM-free.

Also, anyone who pirates when a reasonably priced DD version of the game is available, isn't a real fan, they are casual. They pirate it, and shuffle off, paying for something gives it measure of value to you, so they must think gaming is worthless.
I disagree......with some I think it's partially if not a good bit(though NOT ALL) about feeling better than those who pirate, or because they believe in following the law(ALL laws I mean) for some reason(fear of jail or punishment, or just blind want or need to follow the law.). It's not always 100% about supporting a good company for some.

Also that last bit about pirates not being a real fan is so BS I had to facepalm twice.....and even that wasn't enough.
Post edited April 02, 2012 by GameRager
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Longcat: Funny thing is, the original poster would have to have an account or know someone who does to make that screenshot in the first place.
Yes, I find that funny too. Well, that site does more for oldies preservation than GOG will ever be able to legally.
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stonebro: And which sites are these?

Sekrit sites that only you know about?
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Longcat: Well, I know exactly what site the screenie in the original post is from, so it does exist. It's a members only site, and not very known amongst most people, mostly focusing on old games. Can't say I know of any other sites that does this, but then again, I don't know a lot of underground torrent sites.

Funny thing is, the original poster would have to have an account or know someone who does to make that screenshot in the first place.
not only does he have an account but he downloaded 6 gb (with only 50mb uploaded)
so he is pirating himself.
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Neobr10: So if i put myself into a murderers shoes ill understand his point? Wrong things are wrong no matter how.
That is so intellectually dishonest I accidentally discarded my actual reply to object ASAP. Roll call!
Red herring.
Guilt by association.
Appeal to tradition.
Appeal to authority.
Appeal to popular belief.
Slippery slope.
Suppressed evidence.

Wow.

Wrong things are wrong because we have factual evidence that they harm society. We know that sexing up kids is wrong because it hurts kids, and a psychiatrist can comprehensively show you why. Now show me on this doll where piracy has touched you.

A damn lot of actually wrong things hadn't been "considered wrong" - that it, illegal - in the so-called civilized world until very recently, and a damn lot of wrong things are still considered okay, and vice versa. Faith healing is legal. Homeopathy is legal. Corporal punishment is legal. It even gets worse: Russian legislators want to jail people for "homosexual propaganda" among minors, and yes this does include being around your own kids if you happen to be gay, and they are using the same rhetoric: "You are supporting gays, so obviously you must support pedos too, shut up pedo freak, we are protecting children from pervs like you".

I hate stepping in dog shit as much as anyone, but while I do refer to the shit as "landmines", I do not equate it with actual war crime.

TL;DR: piracy might not be legal today, but see you in 20 years when Sweden makes piracy legal (and I apply for asylum there as a lesbian mother, see above) while US turns into the Republic of Gilead and bans videogames.

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Now, whatever my original post was about....

1. It should be GOG, not GoG.
2. All games on GOG are Windows games. The installer won't run under DOS. SO whoever filed those torrents needs to correct it.

And on a serious note, there are 10000 people lining up to buy Grim Fandango, a game one can start downloading in 0.15 seconds.

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SWorD84: Tons of psychological studies disagree with you. There's a lot of great reading out there on the subject. Enjoy. :-)
You probably have read/heard/watched more videogame reviews than you have played videogames. (That's true for me by two orders of magnitude. First thing I did after winning my first game was write a comprehensive walkthrough for it. The game was 10 years old and so was I.) Then there are tips/hints/walkthroughs/plot discussions/fanworks/LPs/trolling on top of that. Note that I'm pretty generous on the "review" term but do not count facebook games. Here's your social aspect.
You don't think Faith Healing and Homeopathy should be legal to practice on one's self or others(for money)? Also corporal punishment meaning disciplining your kids/etc?

Just curious, Starkun. Otherwise a good reply, imo.
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GameRager: I disagree......with some I think it's partially if not a good bit(though NOT ALL) about feeling better than those who pirate, or because they believe in following the law(ALL laws I mean) for some reason(fear of jail or punishment, or just blind want or need to follow the law.). It's not always 100% about supporting a good company for some.

Also that last bit about pirates not being a real fan is so BS I had to facepalm twice.....and even that wasn't enough.
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gameon: I seriously doubt that GOG.com think that piracy is okay. If they thought it was okay for its users to get all of its games for free, they'd have said so. This site is a legitimate business, they need to get paid for their content, surely.
Where did I say that's what GOG thinks? I said that's why some buy instead of pirate games, to argue against(the person who I replied to) a reply which I am pretty sure wasn't totally accurate.

Stop putting words in people's mouth and actually TRY to debate with me on the issues here, thanks.

(BTW I agree GOG and others deserve to get paid for their efforts.....but I can SEE why SOME[Those who truly can't afford games, not those copying them for the heck of it....] would do it. Before you start telling me i'm justifying piracy, as others did so far to others in this thread, please understand I do it to explain my thought on the matter, not to justify what others or I do to anyone.)
Post edited April 02, 2012 by GameRager
most gog games run in dosbox, therefor they run in dos (as they always were) so they are not windows games.
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Titanium: Does it make you angry because you had to pay for your games, but the pirates got their piece for free?
Actually, I'm more angry to the people who are sharing the games they've bought from GOG, than the people who are trying to get them for free.

Who knows, maybe some of the people who try to get the games for free really are some poor Indians from Calcutta to whom $5.99 is what they make in a good month (and they got their gaming PC free from charity or something, and they get electricity free from the sun panels on their roof, yadda yadda...).

But the people who are willingly sharing the games have no such excuse. Obviously they could afford the games, and then they want to be some kind of internet heroes making them available to all. Maybe they feel they are doing Robin Hood charity where they take from e.g. GOG and give it to the needy.

If these Robin Hood wannabes only provided the games to the poor Calcuttan's, I could be more understanding to their cause, or if they concentrated on non-GOG games that are hard to come by and are close to perishing to the bit heaven. But as it is, I feel they are just destroying the great service that e.g. GOG is doing.

So in essence, I'd like to see GOG go after the people sharing the games, not necessarily the people who download them. Go for the source.
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timppu: 1. Actually, I'm more angry to the people who are sharing the games they've bought from GOG, than the people who are trying to get them for free.

2. Who knows, maybe some of the people who try to get the games for free really are some poor Indians from Calcutta to whom $5.99 is what they make in a good month (and they got their gaming PC free from charity or something, and they get electricity free from the sun panels on their roof, yadda yadda...).

3. But the people who are willingly sharing the games have no such excuse. Obviously they could afford the games, and then they want to be some kind of internet heroes making them available to all. Maybe they feel they are doing Robin Hood charity where they take from e.g. GOG and give it to the needy.

4. If these Robin Hood wannabes only provided the games to the poor Calcuttan's, I could be more understanding to their cause, or if they concentrated on non-GOG games that are hard to come by and are close to perishing to the bit heaven. But as it is, I feel they are just destroying the great service that e.g. GOG is doing.

5. So in essence, I'd like to see GOG go after the people sharing the games, not necessarily the people who download them. Go for the source.
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1. Why? They're both depriving(supposedly) GOG of a sale either way. I could see your point if the people were selling the games to others and profiting from it and/or stealing physical copies and selling them, but not concerning people hosting and allowing download of digital copies.

2. I can attest to this, so please try not to sound so condescending in your replies from now on if you could. :P

I live on a very tight income myself, and got my PC through parents/very VERY slow process of saving and upgrading....so I can assure you some such examples of humanity exist.

3. What about people downloading for free who ARE poor and then hosting said games for free via such sites? Maybe they didn't even buy them to begin with before putting them up. Can you prove those hosting said games paid for them?

4. You can't expect them to check the financial status of all those downloading can you? For one, I don't think those doing such acts would want to identify themselves(through releasing such information to such sites/etc)......for another, I don't think such sites could easily verify the info their members gave them was genuine, or at least not without alot of effort.

5. If the source was removed how would said poor people get the games then, if no one was offering them? Just a thought.

(Again, as said above, a bit of a disclaimer to keep some from thinking or implying i'm justifying any/all pirates/piracy with these words.....I'M NOT. Thank you and good day.)
Post edited April 02, 2012 by GameRager