I'm basing it on what I've seen posted, but if someone saw Bookwyrm's light on, I would probably upgrade him.

Like it or not, I am taking it under consideration. I stayed up until past 2 am to try to get a lynch done before deadline, then set my alarm at 5:45 to be available at the last minute. For someone who usually wakes up about 10 am, I work 2nd shift, I did what needed to be done.

I've been looking closely at Meda. So many alarm bells, but I'm having trouble meshing that with someone willing to be available all night to achieve a lynch. Doesn't help that she is new and I'm also having a hard time seeing the value of her actions as both town or scum. Kinda reminds me of HijacK in his first game but in a different sort of way.

But the point is that I found myself using her willingness to be available at deadline as a factor and thought maybe I need to consider this across the board, so I did some research. Unlike Yogs, I really don't think of anyone as a lurker until they go AWOL the day of deadline. They can float all they want if they come out and provide useful advice and votes before end of day.

Anyone who made themselves available the night of the lynch, I have no issue with. Those who made themselves available at deadline with the terrible hour it was at, gets a decent upgrade in my book. Because I don't think scum would bother to wake up before 6 am to be available for a lynch they seemingly had in the bag. Flub and JMich, I'm looking squinty eyed at. And anyone who suggests there is nothing useful to be gained looking at this, I'm looking at as providing possible cover. Because I really do think this is something which might separate town from scum. I hope Yogsloth is happy looking down from heaven because at least someone is looking at the lurkers and floaters.

The operative word was "floating". I think at least one and probably two of the scum can be found by looking at those who are saying things but not taking much of a stand on anything. Letting investigative townies take most of the heat for any mislynches. Maybe they are following up any good suggestions with a well-timed subtle push on someone else but without going too far where they will be remembered for the mislynch.

I'll actually take back the idea they are both scum. If the scum team were going to pull off that sort of two-sided finger pointing, even if Meda is on the scum team, I'd imagine they'd do it with the two veteran players. So, I'm now thinking one or the other, not both with some small chance that it's townie vs townie. We had 5 people online at one point. It became obvious we weren't getting consensus at that moment. It could have at least been discussed and maybe we could have had a counter-wagon as many as 5. And yes, I was scum reading Yogs. But as the night wore on, I was seeing more of the Yogs that matched my image of town Yogs. I was still leaning him scum, because that Yogs didn't appear until he was at L-2, but I was more doubtful than at first. Either way, I wasn't going to leave him dangling near the brink for scum to take or leave as benefiting them. Figured I'd set my alarm and see where we stood in person.

I did, and there were 5 players around at deadline, so the answer seems to be yes. And here's yet someone else ignoring the fact that two players didn't even bother to make an appearance the entire last day...this is less about the deadline, and more about who were around that evening to do their duty. Bonus points for being around at that awful hour.

Sure. Why not? All these L-5's are a bit disturbing...

Unvote Bookwyrm
Vote Flub

Fair enough. I wanted to make sure your questions were indeed answered.

Yes, I considered that angle as well, and if I were scum buddies with Trent then it would have been quite the spike in my "Go for 2" plan. I was mentally considering clearing Trent if Dessimu survived N1 (assuming Dessimu flipped town later), based on scum not feeling threatened.

However, Dessimu dying doesn't necessarily mean Trent is scum (though it doesn't do Trent any favors). Scum might simply have felt too threatened by the cop, regardless of who was the first investigation. Doesn't do Trent any favors, but it doesn't necessarily mean Trent is scum.

We have 2 days to sort this out, and I would prefer we come to a consensus that is not at the last minute because all that does is benefit scum.

I hate lists because I feel it gives scum a heads up if too many people find them scummy, but at this point it's about all we have to go on to see where everyone stands.

I will not be voting RW or bookwyrm today.

My preferred lynch is either Lift, flub, or cristi

Anyone else I have no issue putting a rope around their neck as well if that's what it takes to prevent a no lynch.

The indigestion part is an attempt at levity. It's a gut feeling, but I'm not sure if I should be trusting my gut or not, thus why post 428.


Bussing teammates is a thing. Especially if they have made blunders. You can either play as town that notices blunders and pushes for explanations and lynches, or you can play the fool and ignore said blunders. Considering that when you are scum you should try to appear as townie as possible, bussing is a very viable tactic for scums.
Yes, you did mention (post 435) that you never bus, but I haven't played with you before, thus I can't know if that's true or not. So I'm assuming that you may bus someone, if that's the way to win the game.

And you know this how exactly? Or do you still think yog's second post is gospel?

Decisions, decisions.

Vote medamiedo

VOTE COUNT

flubbucket @ L-4 - RWarehall, medamiedo
Lifthrasil @ L-4 - Sage103082, trentonlf
medamiedo @ L-4 - Bookwyrm627, JMich

Sage103082 @ L-5 - Lifthrasil

Not voting - flubbucket, HypersomniacLive, cristigale

<span class="bold">DAY 2 COUNTDOWN</span>

Awe now im the prettiest princess in your eyes. OK Ill bite. You want to know exactly what I found off about dess ill post it. If it will get you to stop over looking people who are posting way less content and way less contribution in any way to the game then its a good thing. (I have a doctors appointment at 9:30 I have to leave for but I will not be long and I will post this when I get back)

Thought do find your vote on me a lot of a pfft you voted for me! Let me go back and try to find things to make you look scummy so it can validate my voting you right back. You are picking apart my lack of content and posting the weekend i was out of town and away from the computer and the day I came back i was trying very hard to read over everything and catch up. Do you think if I was scum I would have taken the whole afternoon and evening when I was exhausted off my ass to sit in front of the computer and read and take notes. No I would have picked out on post and tried to jump on it and make it bigger then it was so that it looked like i was contributing with out even having to read or take anything into account. I explained my voting issues. Other then the truth which I told you there is nothing more that I can tell you on that. I got confused and then i looked at the list dedo posted and i transposed the votes, I have never hide that I am dyslexic.

Lies, Damned Lies, and Meda talking.

Citation needed.

QFT

Quick review of Meda:
-Deadline was ~6:30AM EST.
-Meda's location says Italy. Quick reference puts Rome about 6 hours ahead of us.
-6 + 6 = 12, so deadline for her was ~noon local time.
-Sure, she may have been up all night, but she might simply have been up early(?) in the morning and stayed available through the morning. Judging by posts, she wasn't online around the time I was getting off work (4-5 my local, so 10-11 her local). I'd guess she got online in the 5 or 6 AM hours; for all we know, she had the day off, so she was free to be online at deadline with no personal repercussions (and maybe not even lost sleep!).


Additional notes:
-Using this Yog post as a frame of reference, 4 people did not post from 6 hours before lynch until the deadline (Sage, Flub, JMich, and me).
-Per this Yog post, Yog was also not around at the time of lynch.
-Therefore, we have confirmation that at least two townies were not online at deadline. If you assume all scum weren't online at deadline (why? we have quite the timezone mix, with several players not having to be up at night to be present), then you still have two townies confirmed missing.

I see no reason to assume that scum were all sleeping in their beds (or otherwise absent). While dedication to solving the game tends to be a sign of town, I just don't see any reason at all to think that scum weren't present. A good reason for scum to BE present is to watch for some kind of Chinese Fire Drill and try to derail it; I'm pretty sure we've had last minute out-of-the-blue lynches before, though confirming that remembrance would take more work than I'm willing to put in right now.

I'll grant you the concern about people lacking content to their name; you aren't the only one who has noticed it.

When Dessi claimed cop, he indicated that he picked trent N0 because determining trent's alignment would be easier than most. He also said that decision had not worked out like he planned - i.e. he was having a difficult time reading trent. The posts I linked include Dessi making similar types of statements about trent (Dessi having difficulty reading him) earlier in the game. Dessi's read on trent from earlier posts were consistent with the details of his claim. In other words, the 'facts' checked out.

That's not impossible to do as scum, but it's harder to do if your fake-claiming a role at the last minute.

I'll get to your second part when I'm fully caught up.

You're ALWAYS the prettiest princess, princess! But this time you're also the scummiest. Looking forward to your explanations when you get around to write them.

Meanwhile, until those explanations arrive, my list of top picks would be:
Sage, trent - both of them feel scummy to me
Meda - feels off. Has some positive contributions but also a lot that feels scummy. But might be unknown playstyle.
cristi - fallback lynch. Have her as neutal leaning a bit scum for absence and possible connection to trent.
JMich - if all else fails. He has turned unreadability into an art form. But he contributed very little. Even less than usual. He always posts little but at least some of those posts are really insightful and helpful. This time everything he posted feels superficial.

May I suggest trying to draw him out some, then? Maybe ask him some questions?

I think he's likely town. He's not pushing and prodding as hard as he does in some games but it seems genuine enough. I know not to give Hype a free pass, but so far, nothing has pinged me. I'm not fond of the sentiment but I happen to agree with bookwyrm - if Hyper is alive late game, I worry more about his alignment.

Why?

I finally got around to re-reading you. On Day 1 you seemed quite towny to me but on Day 2 there are some things that have me scratching my head. First this: you spent quite some posts on explaining that either trent or meda or possibly both are scum. Then you detailed, quite convincingly, that at least one scum will be among the three people that confirmed their vote on Dessimu after his claim. Flubb isn't in any of those focus groups of yours. So why the change of mind?

Also, what are your thoughts on trent, Sage and meda now?

Also, you announced that you would try to find if someone steered us on Day 1 to the 'both main suspects are town' situation. Any results there?

Also, your focus on 'who was online at time of lynch' isn't really helpful. Maybe it's just a desperate attempt of a towny to find something concrete but maybe it's meant as distraction? In any case it's not useful, especially since it wasn't night for all of us, as you assumed in one post about meda. We are from different time-zones after all and if you want to analyze online time, you should account for that. But even then it doesn't tell you much, since RL can take preference over a game. So there are often work-related reasons that prevent one to be online even at critical times. So the 'who is online' question has too many factors to be really useful. Unless it's a situation of someone being online and present in the forum but not in this thread. If someone posts somewhere else but avoids posting here, then THAT is a tell. But I don't think that was the case in for anyone at the end of Day 1.