Okay, literal lol at this.

I already did, if you remember. It was hard to understand what you meant with 'defending Dessimu from lynch' at the beginning of this Day. I asked, you clarified. I also didn't understand what you meant by 'lynchable number of people', but you were already questioned on that. You do answer to questions for clarification, that was not my point. I just have the impression that your thoughts are more difficult to follow than usual. But that may be just me remembering your play in past games wrongly. I'll have to look at post in older games from you.

But when going back I just noticed a flaw in your 'What I would have done if I were scum' hypothesis. You stated that it would have been better for scum to kill two other players and have Dessimu be mislynched on Day 2, based on the fact that he survived the night, in spite of his PR claim. But did you consider that scum maybe didn't dare to go that route, because Dessimu had already investigated one of their number?

VOTE COUNT

flubbucket @ L-5 - medamiedo
trentonlf @ L-5 - Lifthrasil
Bookwyrm627 @ L-5 - RWarehall
Lifthrasil @ L-5 - trentonlf
medamiedo @ L-5 - Bookwyrm627

Not voting - Sage103082, flubbucket, HypersomniacLive, cristigale, JMich

<span class="bold">DAY 2 COUNTDOWN</span>

OK. Now about Sage. What really stands out there is the way how she refused to answer HSLs question about what made Dessimu scummy in her eyes. Her reason is a weak excuse 'I'm not going to tell scum what I'm looking for'. The same excuse that meda used to refuse to provide reasons for her vote on me.

@Sage: this is not helpful to town. We need to talk about reasons for votes. Otherwise there is no way to work together and come to a consensus. You say you want town working together, but you refuse to answer quite important questions. Everyone agrees that analysing trains is important for town and asking people on a train for their reasons is part of that analysis. If they had good reasons, they can state them. If they didn't have good reasons, they might be scum who just hopped on a convenient mis-lynch train. You voted Dessimu during RVS in a playful way. But you never removed that vote, even when he was nearing lynch. Why? Why did you let your RVS vote just sit there and contribute to a serious train, without actually questioning Dessimu about anything?

Did not include cristi and RW for a specific reason? Could it be they are your scum partners and why include them as you already know where they stand?

What? Thad doesn't even make sense. "I'll read X next" doesn't mean "I'll never read anyone else ever". One after the other. I'll come to them but I can't re-read everyone at once. Are you so afraid of being re-read that you take offense to it and have to make up reasons to lash out?

Also, you didn't reply to my question.

My vote on him in the beginning was in play and when I came back and was able to read and catch up I felt my vote was sitting where I wanted it to be. I found him to be off in some of his responses and questions. I did not trust him.

10 minutes sure seems like a long time while i keep hitting refresh.

I never said you would never ever be reading anyone else. I just asked why did you leave those two out. Touchy touchy.

And please re-read me as much as you want.

Vote Lift

I don't understand this.

You like Bookwyrm627, cristigale, HypersomniacLive, RWarehall, JMich and me as scum??

So then you have Sage103082, trentonlf and Lifthrasil as town. Why those three??

Why?


Vote flubb with me then.



Book was behaving like obvscum by saying that I was town at the same time as trying to come up with reasons to justify his vote on me, but I don't think he is obvscum. I think Flubb is obvscum.


Who else is scum?


My reads are all over the place, the only ones I'm sure of right now are Flubb and Lift. If I seem like scum then why on earth were you going to join me on trent earlier?


Lift is town stop trying to mislynch him please.

No time, more later.

I like this post.

Power roles aren't our only hope of winning.

My previous post wasn't formatted properly so the Unvote wasn't counted.

Lifthrasil's comments regarding yogsloth and his I'll kill you posts.

Hi I'm flubbucket.

Well no one has replied to my questions.........but I'm not bitter. Nope I'm really really really not.

I re-read both flubb and cristi and both appear to me as neutral. I can see where meda's suspicion of flubb comes from, but I don't necessarily agree with it. Flubb is more or less playing as he always plays. That includes useless and jokey posts. Not more than usual and in between them are some useful posts. He could play like this as scum, sure, but he also played like he does now as town in the past. So no strong read --> neutral.

Cristi contributed some on Day 1. Now she's unfortunately very silent. I don't like lurkiness, but sometimes RL interferes. I'll give it a bit more time. But one thing she wrote actually made me re-consider my position on trent. scum-trent would have had an easy time going for yogs on Day 1. Especially since yogs flaunted roles left and right and trent is known to hate role-talk on Day 1. So maybe he actually is town and saw something towny in yog's crazy, distracting behaviour that I do not see. Or cristi and trent are scum together and cristi threw out this argument to defend trent.
I still see the way how trent reacted to a vote on him as scummy and also that he re-voted Dessimu after the claim. There was no good reason to do scum's work for them. If we had mis-lynched the parity cop, scum could have killed two people at night and wouldn't have been forced to double-tap Dessimu. So why risk that? There was no way to be 100% sure that Dessimu was lying. Plus the way trent congratulated the Doctor felt off. All in all I still see him as scummy, but since cristi's argument has some truth in it, trent isn't my top pick any more. That honor goes to Sage now.

@Sage: you found Dessimu off in some responses and questions? Really? In which ones? And why didn't you call him out on that? That was an evasive, non-commital response if there ever was one.
Plus on Day 1 she unvoted Hyper in Post #260, whom she never had voted. When called out on it by Dessimu she responded in #272 that she mis-understood a vote count by dedo. But the vote-count she quoted as her defense was in #65 and in between there were 6 more vote counts where the 'transposed' line wasn't contained any more. Not really the sign of someone following the thread closely. More the sign of someone called out on a mistake and grasping for straws.

What's more: even if a vote count showed me voting someone I didn't vote, my reaction wouldn't be to unvote that person I never voted, but to tell dedo that he made an error. So the reaction to unvote because of that vote-count Sage quoted means, that she actually thought she had voted HSL. But someone who really thinks about whom she votes would remember whom she voted and whom not. However, someone who just throws out votes at random because she doesn't care who gets lynched as long as it isn't one of her scumbuddies, can get these things mixed up.

So Sage's overall performance is either very, very lackluster or just very scummy. I believe the latter one.

unvote trentonlf

vote Sage

Poor you! Ask me something. I'll answer! (by the way, The Answer is 42)

And as a side note: for the next game I should make an account called 'obvitown'! :-D

You keep touting my vote on Dessimu as scummy yet I had no way of knowing that Dessimu was town or telling the truth. I am going to say this for the last time since you keep missing it, I DIDN'T BELIEVE HIM AND THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM. The simple fact that he claimed a PR was not enough to convince me he was town, and if all it takes for you to not lynch someone in a game is for them to claim a PR then when I actually do draw scum I know what to do to save myself if I am under pressure.

So let me ask you, how does it make you feel to have drawn scum two games in a row?

Yes. I know you said that. So I'll reply again to it, since you keep willfully ignoring that: you had no way to be sure and town-trent would have known that. There is no way to be sure on Day 1 so there was the chance that your feeling on Dessimu was wrong - which it was. So town-trent would not have lynched a possible cop on a gut feeling, but would rather have waited the night to see whether Dessimu survives it. Lynching him at that point made only sense if one was 100% sure of his alignment. Which takes a buttload of arrogance - or knowledge which only scum has.

Let me recap the situation in a way that even scum-trent will have to understand.
There were two possibilities: either Dessi was scum or he was the parity cop. So these were the options and their consequences:
If he's scum and we don't lynch him, he will survive the night and on the next Day there will probably be a counter claim. So we lynch him Day 2 - not much lost.
If he's scum and we lynch him, town rejoices of course.
But if he's town and we lynch him we lose a PR and scum gets to NK two more players. - Down three town players AND a PR.
If he's town and we don't lynch him, scum will have to spend both NKs on him - which saves the life of a townie. - I even pointed that out when I explained why my vote stayed on yogs after Dessimu's claim.

So weighing risks and benefits it was more prudent to leave him alive. Unless one thinks oneself infallible and was 100% sure of a scumread of Dessimu. So, which is it? Are you so arrogant that you believed yourself infallible on Day 1? Or are you scum?

I don't know how that feels. You tell me.