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General discussionBioshock Infinite just got a Linux version. Any progress on bringing 2K to GOG?(156 posts)(156 posts)
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Posted March 18, 2015
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Johnathanamz: Dude whatever you just hate Microsoft.
I don't respect them for what they do. Or you know anyone who likes this stuff?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

Or this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft#Vendor_lock-in

Or may be you can find big fans of this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund

And etc. etc. I'm not even mentioning patent trolling and attempts to sabotage patent and copyright reform.

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Johnathanamz: The Digital Rights Management (DRM) that Windows has is not bad. Windows Vista is stable now. Minus there being no security updates soon.
I'd trust security experts on it more than those who say that some form of DRM "is not bad".
Post edited March 18, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 18, 2015
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shmerl: I'd trust security experts on it more than those who say that some form of DRM "is not bad".
You're beating a dead horse trust me xD

Just look at his comments: "If I ever release a video game developed on Unreal Engine 4 or CryEngine it will be released for sale on Windows only." You can't reason with such people sometimes.
Posted March 18, 2015
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Ganni1987: You're beating a dead horse trust me xD

Just look at his comments: "If I ever release a video game developed on Unreal Engine 4 or CryEngine it will be released for sale on Windows only." You can't reason with such people sometimes.
Yeah, considering that both Unreal Engine 4 and Cry Engine support Linux now. I'm sure developers added Linux support there just for fun and not because it's actually needed ;) And it must be also fun to reduce your own sales by not releasing to all supported platforms.
Post edited March 18, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 18, 2015
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IronArcturus: The Bioshock series is the best! I've only played the first 2 games, but I keep hoping GOG can get this series! Bioshock 1 was incredibly atmospheric with its underwater dystopia and its sweeping music. But the DRM on Bioshock was pretty bad, and it would be great to finally see these games DRM-free!
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shmerl: I had a chance to buy the first Bioshock on Humble Bundle while it was sold there DRM-free for a short time. I started playing it recently (in Wine) actually and it's indeed a very atmospheric game. Bioshock Infinte sounds like a great game too, but with it being sold with DRM only, I'm not going to play it until it will appear on GOG.
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Johnathanamz: I wonder if BioShock Infinite will looks like DirectX 9.0c on Linux, since Wine does not support DirectX 11 and eOn I believe also does not support DirectX 11.
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shmerl: eON does support DirectX 11 (not fully, but in the scope of games they are porting). They already spoke about it in the past. Unlike Wine, eON doesn't need to implement the whole API. They just implement strictly what's used by a certain game on demand. It makes it much easier for them.
Then you won't be getting it because as far as I know a steam only game has never been released on GOG a few years post release.
Posted March 18, 2015
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sherringon456: Then you won't be getting it because as far as I know a steam only game has never been released on GOG a few years post release.
? Alan Wake? F.E.A.R.? Can try looking for other games as well, but such games have come here before.
Posted March 18, 2015
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sherringon456: Then you won't be getting it because as far as I know a steam only game has never been released on GOG a few years post release.
There is no such requirement to follow some weird fears of releasing DRM-free. So ask that from the publishers if you care.
Posted March 18, 2015
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sherringon456: Then you won't be getting it because as far as I know a steam only game has never been released on GOG a few years post release.
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JMich: ? Alan Wake? F.E.A.R.? Can try looking for other games as well, but such games have come here before.
I thought F.E.A.R was not steam only. Don't know about Alan Wake though. I'm talking about non-indie games (Ones with AAA devs) by the way, I thought all the newer GOG indie games were released simultaneously.
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sherringon456: Then you won't be getting it because as far as I know a steam only game has never been released on GOG a few years post release.
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shmerl: There is no such requirement to follow some weird fears of releasing DRM-free. So ask that from the publishers if you care.
I mean its not that they don't want to, they probably have a contract with Valve.
Post edited March 18, 2015 by sherringon456
Posted March 18, 2015
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sherringon456: I mean its not that they don't want to, they probably have a contract with Valve.
I don't think that's the reason. Unless you saw something said about it. There is no point for developers to make contracts which limit their distribution. It reduces their sales.
Post edited March 18, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 18, 2015
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sherringon456: I mean its not that they don't want to, they probably have a contract with Valve.
AFAIK Valve doesn't force their hand to sell their games on Steam exclusively, I think it's more like that devs have easy access to upload patches (hopefully Galaxy will close that gap), easy framework for multiplayer games (galaxy too) and of course the mentality that drm = safe. EA and Ubi are out of the loop since they have their own client.
Post edited March 18, 2015 by Ganni1987
Posted March 18, 2015
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sherringon456: I mean its not that they don't want to, they probably have a contract with Valve.
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shmerl: I don't think that's the reason. Unless you saw something said about it.
And some misguided individuals at the top of companies who think it prevents piracy, when in fact research from none other than CD Projekt Red themselves proves that it is not the case. I still have no issue with the majority of DRM because it is not that bad (In my opinion, things like SecuROM and Starforce, which were there just before the steam era started are bad however). You cannot avoid it forever however, soon everything will have it (Even linux) or it will become extinct. If there is a steam only game I want to play, I will play it.
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sherringon456: I mean its not that they don't want to, they probably have a contract with Valve.
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Ganni1987: AFAIK Valve doesn't force their hand to sell their games on Steam exclusively, I think it's more like that devs have easy access to upload patches (hopefully Galaxy will close that gap), easy framework for multiplayer games (galaxy too) and of course the mentality that drm = safe. EA and Ubi are out of the loop since they have their own client.
Knowing EA, they just want all the money from the sales which steam doesn't give them as presumably valve takes a cut from every sale like CD Projekt red with GOG. Idk why ubi have Uplay seeing as they sell games on steam but they require uplay too.
Post edited March 18, 2015 by sherringon456
Posted March 18, 2015
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shmerl: Unfortunately it's Steam only. Is there any movement with convincing 2K to release their games on GOG?
The only way anyone could know would be if either GOG and/or 2K were to release information publicly that indicated that they were working on a deal, or that they have no interest in ever working on a deal. While GOG floated hints about Lucasarts for years without ever 100% confirming who it was, they left enough clues to read between the lines and we eventually did get Lucasarts. But there have been a number of other companies added to the catalogue over time such as Warner Bros. for example that there was no pre-announcement or teasers about.

I think that it is safe to assume that the majority of major publishers that GOG might be communicating with as potential partners in the future are unlikely to want to divulge any information publicly that could be of an uncertain nature at least until they are absolutely 100% certain of it, and even then there are good reasons to keep it secret right up until release day as that catches everyone by pleasant unexpecting surprise.

In short, the only people likely to be able to provide an answer to what you're asking are most likely not at any liberty to say, and potentially even bound by NDAs surrounding contract negotiations (if any should exist).
Posted March 18, 2015
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shmerl: You stop. Complaints about Windows come from unsatisfied users. Trying to ignore that is just stupid.

Developers and users do (that there would be no lock-in). And those who support lock-in reduce choice for others.

Nah, Steam doesn't care to inform you about it before buying. A good reason not to use it at all, even though some games can happen not to require Steamworks to run.
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Johnathanamz: What video game developers complain about DirectX?

PC versions of video games sell more on Windows than on Linux and Mac combined.

As I said before 7 major video game engines will support DirectX 12

I know a lot of video game development companies who like DirectX. Epic Games is one of them and of course they also support Linux and OpenGL, and soon Vulkan. But Epic Games does not hate DirectX neither does Crytek, DICE, and so on.

Gabe Newell is the one who has lock-ins with Steam having most of the PC versions of video games selling on Steam exclusively and their refund policies are very bad.

Gabe Newell was mad at Windows 8's store because he was afraid that Microsoft would siphon money away from Steam, Gabe Newell wants Steam to be the #1 top digital distribution service on the internet not letting any other digital distribution service exist without selling PC versions of video games without Steam.

Just look at gamersgate.com, greenman gaming.com, and humblebundle.com they all sell PC versions of video games that have Steam keys only, while humblebundle.com is the only one besides gog.com who also sell 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free PC versions of video games.

You congratulate VALVe on all of this when Steam is more of a lock-in.
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hummer010: The "free" with Linux has nothing to do with money. Until you understand that, you'll have a tough time understanding anything else I have to say about OS's.
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Johnathanamz: I understand perfectly what Linux is.

I know Linux is a open source operating System (OS), which lets you customize your code freely however you want and to share that code freely with people all over the Earth, customize the kernel, etc.

I understand because of the open sourceness of Linux you can do a lot of stuff with Linux, but this open source aspect is not for every single person on Earth. Not every single person on Earth knows how to program, not every single person on Earth cares to have a fully customizable Operating System (OS), they just want one that just works out of the bot, not every single person on Earth likes products that are free, because most people like to pay for their products because they feel like they own the product, they feel like the people who created that product deserves money, etc I can go on and on.
Gabe newell is a hypocrite. I remember reading him saying something about windows 10 or windows 8 somewhere where he said he feared windows was becoming a closed platform and that steam OS would be 'open'. Now, an operating system, which as far as I know only lets you play steam games, now that is really open isn't it...
Posted March 18, 2015
I don't think 2k will come here due to the high sales on steam they have and you can get a lot of there old games drm free disc on ebay or other places like I did, same with code masters.

would be great to see bioshock 1 hit here
Posted March 18, 2015
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sherringon456: Idk why ubi have Uplay seeing as they sell games on steam but they require uplay too.
Wild guess: To give the illusion that the game is actually on Steam? If that's it then it might be working. Doesn't of course exclude the fact that Valve still takes their cut, probably without the game appearing on Steam, some people might not know about Uplay.

EDIT: I've seen some people wanting their games all in their Steam library, without caring about extra hoops to play the game.
Post edited March 18, 2015 by Ganni1987
Posted March 18, 2015
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sherringon456: Gabe newell is a hypocrite. I remember reading him saying something about windows 10 or windows 8 somewhere where he said he feared windows was becoming a closed platform and that steam OS would be 'open'. Now, an operating system, which as far as I know only lets you play steam games, now that is really open isn't it...
Well that's not very far, Charlie.
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