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General discussionBioshock Infinite just got a Linux version. Any progress on bringing 2K to GOG?(156 posts)(156 posts)
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Posted March 18, 2015
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sherringon456: You cannot avoid it forever however, soon everything will have it (Even linux) or it will become extinct. If there is a steam only game I want to play, I will play it.
DRM will become extinct, but those who care should do precisely that - i.e. avoid it. By avoiding those who use and proliferate DRM, users vote with their wallets. And on the contrary, by buying from those companies you essentially cast the vote on prolonging its usage. So if there is some Steam only game and I want to play it, I don't play it and I'm not going to pay money to those who release on Steam only. That's it.

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sherringon456: Gabe newell is a hypocrite. I remember reading him saying something about windows 10 or windows 8 somewhere where he said he feared windows was becoming a closed platform and that steam OS would be 'open'. Now, an operating system, which as far as I know only lets you play steam games, now that is really open isn't it...
You can play any Linux games on SteamOS (for example ones you bought on GOG and etc), it doesn't prevent you from it. I don't see a point in using it however myself, but let's be precise at least when describing it.

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DreamedArtist: I don't think 2k will come here due to the high sales on steam they have and you can get a lot of there old games drm free disc on ebay or other places like I did, same with code masters.

would be great to see bioshock 1 hit here
How do high sales prevent them from getting even more sales by adding another distributor? I don't see any logic here. When did you see suits saying "we don't want more"?
Post edited March 18, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 18, 2015
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shmerl: How do high sales prevent them from getting even more sales by adding another distributor? I don't see any logic here. When did you see suits saying "we don't want more"?
Let me point you to this interview. The relevant quote is
Gibeau said Mirror’s Edge and horror title Dead space each had “some degree of success, but they didn’t quite meet our expectations, for sure.”
You can spend X hours for Y profit, or X hours for 2*Y profit. Which one is better?
Posted March 18, 2015
SteamOS will simply be optimized for Steam and will be the most supported Linux distro for Steam, however nothing will prevent you from customizing it or use it for non Steam purposes.
Posted March 18, 2015
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JMich: You can spend X hours for Y profit, or X hours for 2*Y profit. Which one is better?
How many hours do they spend on selling games? Their profits are way higher than expenses they have on sales. The major bulk of expenses for these companies goes into development, not into maintaining sales channels and support. So adding more distributors is profitable because it increases reach.
Posted March 18, 2015
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Ganni1987: EDIT: I've seen some people wanting their games all in their Steam library, without caring about extra hoops to play the game.
To be fair, for those who want convenience you can see their point.
Having all of your games in a single place can be a huge convenience and with Steam all they need do is install and the client does everything else for them.



Also for the point about Steam exclusivity
"8. Do you require exclusivity for titles you sell on Steam?
We think you should get your game in front of as many people as you can, therefore we do not require exclusivity on titles."
http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/FAQ.php
Posted March 18, 2015
On the subject of Win10:

Pirates Can Legitimately Upgrade To Windows 10 For Free

Makes me *very* suspicious of it. What's the catch? Bare install with microtransactions to attain full functionality? Spyware/adware infested?


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Johnathanamz: The Digital Rights Management (DRM) that Windows has is not bad.
I've heard this exact argument many times before, but for Steam's DRM (which isn't really that dissimilar to Windows' product activation, aside from being account based and not having an option for activation via phone). No DRM > some DRM; doesn't matter how light or "unintrusive" the DRM is.


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shmerl: I don't respect them for what they do. Or you know anyone who likes this stuff?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

Or this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft#Vendor_lock-in

Or may be you can find big fans of this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund

And etc. etc. I'm not even mentioning patent trolling and attempts to sabotage patent and copyright reform.

I'd trust security experts on it more than those who say that some form of DRM "is not bad".
Also Microsoft eagerly joined the NSA's 'PRISM' surveillance program (they were the first to sign up).


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sherringon456: Gabe newell is a hypocrite. I remember reading him saying something about windows 10 or windows 8 somewhere where he said he feared windows was becoming a closed platform and that steam OS would be 'open'. Now, an operating system, which as far as I know only lets you play steam games, now that is really open isn't it...
There's nothing stopping someone from installing non-Steam software on SteamOS; it's basically just another Debian-based distro, but with Steam etc. preinstalled and a custom UI.
Posted March 19, 2015
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adamhm: On the subject of Win10:

Pirates Can Legitimately Upgrade To Windows 10 For Free

Makes me *very* suspicious of it. What's the catch? Bare install with microtransactions to attain full functionality? Spyware/adware infested?
The catch is straightforward. Strengthen the lock-in. MS profits from piracy in that way (i.e. they uphold the market share through pirates).
Post edited March 19, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 19, 2015
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Ganni1987: EDIT: I've seen some people wanting their games all in their Steam library, without caring about extra hoops to play the game.
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011284mm: To be fair, for those who want convenience you can see their point.
Having all of your games in a single place can be a huge convenience and with Steam all they need do is install and the client does everything else for them.
Yes, I know how it feels because I feel the same way with my GOG library. I can't say 100% sure but this might be the reason why Ubi games are on Steam.
Posted March 19, 2015
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Johnathanamz: Stop being a free loader for once and try Windows 10 preview builds or try it when it fully releases in the summer of this year or around October 2015 or November 2015.
Going back to this post, I'd like to point out that just because you don't have to pay money for Linux / open source software doesn't mean you can't pay for it; there are many ways to "pay" for Linux/OSS and most of them do not involve any money changing hands:

1- Just merely *using* Linux/OSS is itself of value - by using it you increase its market share, in turn making it a more viable target for developers which in turn will make it more attractive for other potential users (some of whom will then contribute further, see points #2, #3, #4 and #5 below).

2- You can provide bug reports, feedback and suggestions, helping make it better for all users and more attractive to potential new users (see point #1).

3- You can introduce others to Linux/OSS and help them start using it (point #1), and you can help support other existing users & identify bugs/things that can be improved (see point #2).

4- If you have the skills then you can contribute code and/or other assets, making it more attractive to potential new users (see point #1).

5- And if you really want to pay money then you can make donations to distro maintainers and developers, allowing them to dedicate more time to working on the development of their software.
Post edited March 19, 2015 by adamhm
Posted March 19, 2015
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Johnathanamz: Windows is not bad at all. Stop telling people lies.

Again you just hate Microsoft and Windows.
I didn't say windows was bad, I said windows was bloated, restricted and had DRM. These aren't lies.
Posted March 19, 2015
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Ganni1987: You're beating a dead horse trust me xD

Just look at his comments: "If I ever release a video game developed on Unreal Engine 4 or CryEngine it will be released for sale on Windows only." You can't reason with such people sometimes.
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shmerl: Yeah, considering that both Unreal Engine 4 and Cry Engine support Linux now. I'm sure developers added Linux support there just for fun and not because it's actually needed ;) And it must be also fun to reduce your own sales by not releasing to all supported platforms.
I know both Unreal Engine 4 and CryEngine support Linux. I don't have to add Linux support to my video game if I don't want to though I can develop my video game exclusively for Windows only and sell for Windows only.
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Johnathanamz: What video game developers complain about DirectX?

PC versions of video games sell more on Windows than on Linux and Mac combined.

As I said before 7 major video game engines will support DirectX 12

I know a lot of video game development companies who like DirectX. Epic Games is one of them and of course they also support Linux and OpenGL, and soon Vulkan. But Epic Games does not hate DirectX neither does Crytek, DICE, and so on.

Gabe Newell is the one who has lock-ins with Steam having most of the PC versions of video games selling on Steam exclusively and their refund policies are very bad.

Gabe Newell was mad at Windows 8's store because he was afraid that Microsoft would siphon money away from Steam, Gabe Newell wants Steam to be the #1 top digital distribution service on the internet not letting any other digital distribution service exist without selling PC versions of video games without Steam.

Just look at gamersgate.com, greenman gaming.com, and humblebundle.com they all sell PC versions of video games that have Steam keys only, while humblebundle.com is the only one besides gog.com who also sell 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free PC versions of video games.

You congratulate VALVe on all of this when Steam is more of a lock-in.

I understand perfectly what Linux is.

I know Linux is a open source operating System (OS), which lets you customize your code freely however you want and to share that code freely with people all over the Earth, customize the kernel, etc.

I understand because of the open sourceness of Linux you can do a lot of stuff with Linux, but this open source aspect is not for every single person on Earth. Not every single person on Earth knows how to program, not every single person on Earth cares to have a fully customizable Operating System (OS), they just want one that just works out of the bot, not every single person on Earth likes products that are free, because most people like to pay for their products because they feel like they own the product, they feel like the people who created that product deserves money, etc I can go on and on.
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sherringon456: Gabe newell is a hypocrite. I remember reading him saying something about windows 10 or windows 8 somewhere where he said he feared windows was becoming a closed platform and that steam OS would be 'open'. Now, an operating system, which as far as I know only lets you play steam games, now that is really open isn't it...
Gabe Newell has been a hypocrite for a few years now since about 2010.
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adamhm: On the subject of Win10:

Pirates Can Legitimately Upgrade To Windows 10 For Free

Makes me *very* suspicious of it. What's the catch? Bare install with microtransactions to attain full functionality? Spyware/adware infested?

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Johnathanamz: The Digital Rights Management (DRM) that Windows has is not bad.
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adamhm: I've heard this exact argument many times before, but for Steam's DRM (which isn't really that dissimilar to Windows' product activation, aside from being account based and not having an option for activation via phone). No DRM > some DRM; doesn't matter how light or "unintrusive" the DRM is.

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shmerl: I don't respect them for what they do. Or you know anyone who likes this stuff?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

Or this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft#Vendor_lock-in

Or may be you can find big fans of this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund

And etc. etc. I'm not even mentioning patent trolling and attempts to sabotage patent and copyright reform.

I'd trust security experts on it more than those who say that some form of DRM "is not bad".
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adamhm: Also Microsoft eagerly joined the NSA's 'PRISM' surveillance program (they were the first to sign up).

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sherringon456: Gabe newell is a hypocrite. I remember reading him saying something about windows 10 or windows 8 somewhere where he said he feared windows was becoming a closed platform and that steam OS would be 'open'. Now, an operating system, which as far as I know only lets you play steam games, now that is really open isn't it...
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adamhm: There's nothing stopping someone from installing non-Steam software on SteamOS; it's basically just another Debian-based distro, but with Steam etc. preinstalled and a custom UI.
I prefer Windows Digital Rights Management (DRM) over Linux. Windows Digital Rights Management (DRM) has not caused me any problems yet. I will never touch Linux I will be purchasing video games on Windows only.
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Johnathanamz: Stop being a free loader for once and try Windows 10 preview builds or try it when it fully releases in the summer of this year or around October 2015 or November 2015.
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adamhm: Going back to this post, I'd like to point out that just because you don't have to pay money for Linux / open source software doesn't mean you can't pay for it; there are many ways to "pay" for Linux/OSS and most of them do not involve any money changing hands:

1- Just merely *using* Linux/OSS is itself of value - by using it you increase its market share, in turn making it a more viable target for developers which in turn will make it more attractive for other potential users (some of whom will then contribute further, see points #2, #3, #4 and #5 below).

2- You can provide bug reports, feedback and suggestions, helping make it better for all users and more attractive to potential new users (see point #1).

3- You can introduce others to Linux/OSS and help them start using it (point #1), and you can help support other existing users & identify bugs/things that can be improved (see point #2).

4- If you have the skills then you can contribute code and/or other assets, making it more attractive to potential new users (see point #1).

5- And if you really want to pay money then you can make donations to distro maintainers and developers, allowing them to dedicate more time to working on the development of their software.
I really do not care about your 5 points.

Windows 10 you can provide bug reports, feedback, and suggestions as well.
Post edited March 19, 2015 by Johnathanamz
Posted March 19, 2015
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Johnathanamz: I know both Unreal Engine 4 and CryEngine support Linux. I don't have to add Linux support to my video game if I don't want to though I can develop my video game exclusively for Windows only and sell for Windows only.
Or you can not develop the game at all. Reducing platforms you release for, you reduce your users and sales. It's up to you how much to reduce that. However in practice developers try to increase, not to reduce them. "Exclusives" means you get less sales. Nothing else.

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Johnathanamz: I prefer Windows Digital Rights Management (DRM) over Linux. Windows Digital Rights Management (DRM) has not caused me any problems yet. I will never touch Linux I will be purchasing video games on Windows only.
Hehe. It's like saying - I like living in a police state and so far it didn't cause me problems. I'd never live in a free society. If you didn't get the point - DRM uses police state approach by its own concept.

I think at this point it can be considered trolling. I never saw anyone so far who voluntarily said they like DRM.
Post edited March 19, 2015 by shmerl
Posted March 19, 2015
So you prefer DRM over no DRM? Yet you're here too? I don't get it.


As a new linux user, I'm greatly enjoying it.
Post edited March 19, 2015 by pimpmonkey2382.313
Posted March 19, 2015
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pimpmonkey2382.313: So you prefer DRM over no DRM? Yet you're here too? I don't get it.

As a new linux user, I'm greatly enjoying it.
Welcome to the free-side! What distro?
Posted March 19, 2015
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pimpmonkey2382.313: So you prefer DRM over no DRM? Yet you're here too? I don't get it.

As a new linux user, I'm greatly enjoying it.
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hummer010: Welcome to the free-side! What distro?
Was using ubuntu 14.10, but I'll be rolling back to mint 13 soon.
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General discussionBioshock Infinite just got a Linux version. Any progress on bringing 2K to GOG?(156 posts)(156 posts)
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