That seems really oddly specific.

Let's, but can the scum and neutrals be part of the same evil (also neutrals have access to scum chat)? That's why.

And it's hard, at least for me, to tell who is scum, there are 2 lurkers, 2 suspicious players, 1 overly active one, you and SPF.

I will provide my analysis, I think we all will eventually.

There is a name for those neutrals who can kill townie and have access to scum chat: scum.

Oh yes. I should provide more variety like: the kiss of death, soul sucking, ass raping till death, brain f@cking, telefragging (yes, that's probably it).
Vampire lord is the only thing I heard of and I like the "bite" thing because it's kinda mystical and scary, possesses ones are also fall into that category.

EBWOP:
Additionally: as we know they are compulsive visitors with modified something-something.
I just can't think that they are just visit and watch their non-neutral players. They must do something sinister, maybe breaking into their heads through dreams or something. I'm so sorry that I used a term "bite" it was definitely out of place.
For some reason I think (or hope) that this "modified" ability leads to victim death.
Carradice was lynched, he was a neutral. Is it possible that neutral IS the mafia?

OK, let me rephrase it. I'm aware that the knowledge of the answer can be useful to Town, but what is the purpose of asking those questions?

The only ones who can answer it are Lift, Carradice and possibly another neutral and/or Mafia. Do you expect Lift to explain his setup? Or Carradice to answer from the dead? Or a neutral to go "yes Neutrals can kill because I'm a vampire too?"? Or a Mafioso to say "nope, I can assure you that Mafia exists besides neutrals; I should know because I'm one."?

In general "Neutral" refers to non-Mafia roles. But Lift said there could be a twist; so... who knows?

There might be a time later when discussing mechanics might help Town get more info. That time is not now. Now is the time to hunt scum: i.e. people who can kill Townies at Night. However they're called.

I didn't know that this is not the proper time to discuss such things. When is, if I may ask?

As for the scum hunting, you provide your analysis, AFP as well. I expect we all do the same on our behalf later on.
Do you have any other suggestions?

Thank you for the info on neutral / scum part. Could you please point me to that very game, I'd like to check how it was played out.

@All
It's L-2 situation, please be VERY careful.

Well at least someone else got all that...though as always I must still suspect everyone at least a little bit....no hard feelings, eh? :D
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And if scum they could be a threat to town.

Leaving players in just because they contribute a good amount of posts is not a very good reason, imo.
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Care to explain why?

(Also lol a bit)

You make some good points that echo some of my own feelings on the matter.....I have been contemplating voting them for a bit of time now....dunno which way to go, though.
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It's better to do such things(push suspects to claim if need be) with enough time on hand so they can get online and read/reply, and also so that people can change their votes if need be.....doing so too close to deadline doesn't seem like a good idea, generally.
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This made me laugh(the south park reference)....thanks for that.
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Agreed....we have plenty of time for gogtrial to post some more so I am willing to give them a chance to post in defense of themselves.
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Done for now...not voting yet, as gogtrial is likely to be my vote and he is at l-2 &I don't want to bring him close to hammer while we have plenty of time still left to post/discuss.

Might vote later on if his future posts don't sound good enough and we get too close to deadline.

Have a good one, and stay safe/well, ya'll.

(@OP: None of the above is a vote)

Hint: if you read my games, you find many people find my playstyle to be scummy to some degree or other, yet I have never been scum.


More later, if Lift allows.

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Please explain who LFR is? Thank you.
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1. Daychat was a surprise to have last game, I don't see it being a thing 2x in a row. The odds are against it, unless it fit Lift's mood when he was making this game.

@ZFR could tell you probabilities of "how common daychat is, what the probaility of having daychat 2x in a row is" and then ding me for trying to use the setups of previous games to determine likelihoods of how this game is setup. :D :D

That being said, I'm not buying your daychat argument for other reasons.
Cadaver reads as town, though major Kudos to SirP for noting that Cadaver was not yet doing analysis on his vote history posts, just compiling them.
I find it more likely to be nightchat and oh, trent, you and ? being in a team together. Those names are suppositions and examples, not even FoS's.

2. Agree with you here.

3. *raises eyebrows*
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>>>>>>>>>>Note, I lost my mental notes and don't feel like rereading tons just to hopefully recompile them. I should maybe type them out, but meh.

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I am reading SirP as town, which, coupled with his agreeing with ZFR so much makes me read ZFR as "town-by-extension." Maybe they are on different teams but for now I am leaving them town.

GR is lurkier (and since autocorrect doesn't know that word, I'll use the desired replacement) and murkier than I am, I think.

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I have never been scum, but from a town perspective, if all of the talkative townsfolk are defunct, the game drags on with suspect players running the show, and has a chance at becoming boring. (See the last days of game 64 and the content output per day once talkative players were removed from play.) Those who are lurky by default don't seem to always step up and take the place of the talkative folk. Sometimes this happens, but sometimes we just end up slogging along without any info.
On the contrary to all of this is my pet theory that when you have multiple scum, one will be trying to lead and direct the convo while another hides in the BG going with the flow, posting little-in-comparison-to-the-aforementioned-Director-of-Conversation-Scum.
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I need to get back to hunting penguins from my hang-glider which is floating over the Amazon.

It has been two days now, and
FoS GameRager and Pooka

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So, you use a screwdriver to pound nails? :O

[gotta go, read through 482

While I don't currently suspect you, you DO know that that doesn't mean anything, right? One could never be scum then be scum in the next game, and the reverse as well(never be town then be town the next game).

Lol and o.0

If you skimmed the thread first you'd notice that I posted recently.....post 505, in fact. :)

Also keep your fingers away from me plz....don't know where they've been, after all. ;D

Game #55
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_55_trouble_at_arstotzkan_boot_camp/page1

I did answer him exactly that:
"In general "Neutral" refers to non-Mafia roles. But Lift said there could be a twist; so... who knows? "

My point is it's useless to expect to get an answer now.

But hey, let's try:

@Lift: Is Neutral Mafia and Mafia Neutral?

When we have enough information to actually get an answer?

But hey, knock yourselves out. I'm done with this. You go ahead and discuss your vampires.

I've had GameRager in my town-pile since early yesterday, so haven't been really examining him much, but I guess my reason for having him so depends on WIFOM. Could you recap what your reasons for suspecting him were? (No worries if not, then I'll go back to read him tonight when I have time.)
I've been thinking lately that I really don't like the way he's constantly going "oh, maybe I'll vote later", without going on the record. (Sure, in this instance it's probably beneficial to me personally, but it's very much not beneficial to town for him not to put his money where his words are.)
I suspected early today that there was probably one scum hiding on zazak's wagon, and thought it was ZFR, but maybe not...