You know what... I'll likely surprise everyone by saying this... but I kinda liked it. Or at least it was better than I expected. It's not a high set bar, but still. Yeah, it's all sorts of anticlimactic, but I just wanted to be done with this war. And as a bonus we got rid of Tyler too! Ok, so it's terribly rushed, rather silly and can't keep a consistant tone for two scenes and doesn't make much sense. Well, that's Discovery's writing for you. But at least we end the season with a sort-of clean slate. We're moving on. Maybe we'll actually move on to something better, and not just more war next season. I just wish Saru got promoted and got the command.

And yeah, that bit with the Enterprise... again, on one hand the canon got buttfucked like nobody's business this season, and on the other the show keeps relying on it. Look, it's Sarek! Look, it's Harry Mudd! Look, it's Defiant! But I'll give them this at least- they did show a more or less properly looking Enterprise, not like few episodes ago where we only got this strange silhouette of Defiant on screen.

Okay, just when you think this so-called Star Trek can't get any worse, we get bisexual group sex with prostitutes, an alien peeing on a street, and a cast member getting high.

I get it that maybe in this age you can't make a series where the cast first drinks tea, early grey, hot, and then goes to recreation area to watch Shakespearean play. But this series, which is rumored to be somehow based on Star Trek, sure tries to take every possible opportunity to be unsophisticated, for a lack of better word.


Basically the major turning points in the plot of this episode were:

Evil emperor: "Join me, and together, we can rule the galaxy as father and son!"
Protagonist: "I'll never join you!"

And then we get to the high tension climax to end the war:

Klingon: "We must unite as Klingons. Look, I'm holding an iPhone!!"
The rest of Klingons: "Okay, let's do it, so we can cut to the Blade Runner rip off CGI segment."


Is there any hope left that this show might not be renewed for the next season?


BTW, I find it kind of disturbing that the best continuation to the original mirror universe story is fan fiction!

In case someone has not seen it yet, I strongly recommend everyone to watch Star Trek: Continues episode "Fairest of Them All". It's fan made, but still so much better than what the official series have produced.

I recommend downloading the Blu-ray version of it, it's very nicely done.

http://www.startrekcontinues.com/downloads.html

http://www.startrekcontinues.com/episodes.html

It was renewed months ago.

Yeah, okay, I should have rephrased that question as "is there any hope left that this show might get cancelled before the next season".

Star Trek: Phase II and others show that they can pull the plug very fast if they want to.

You know, as much as the show sucked, and it sucked harder than a supermassive black hole sucking in a ship full of vacuum cleaners, I still hold out a shred of hope for the next season. Only because the war story ended and we got rid of Tyler, so the next season might be sort of a fresh start. And despite everything I like Saru and (sort of) Stammets.

Ok, I know there's little to no chance things will actually improve. But I guess it's worth a shot. I mean, there's nothing to be gained by seeing it get cancelled. We won't get a better show, we'll just be left without a show, and I can achieve the same by simply not watching it anymore. So it's the difference between a infinitesimal chance for improvement, and no chance for anything whatsoever. Not a great situation, but door no 1 still is better.

Cancellation of Star Trek: Enterprise lead to a great number of fan film projects emerging.
Whether one sees any value in that or not is another matter, but saying "nothing can be gained" is false.

I guess they could make the show more interesting by using the Enterprise as a basis for the next season(s) and basically abandoning almost everything that the show has so far. The ending and Alexander Courage's music during the credits might even imply that. At least they seem to have gotten rid of that stupid spore drive (with almost no explanation as to why).

Then again, I have always wondered why no one even seriously considered doing Star Trek: The Next Generation animation. The whole cast is still alive, and aging is not a big issue with voiceover roles. The production costs are relatively safe and stable, as in animation it doesn't make much difference whether the stories happen indoors or outdoors, on Earth or an alien planet. And the last animated episode was released October 12, 1974, so it's really not too much too soon if they do another animated series.

It's a different situation now. There are now official, insanely strict rules fan films must follow or face legal action that basically prevent anything really interesting being made. So there's really nothing to be gained. It's not like we'll get a new, better show to replace it. Not anytime soon anyway. We're actually more likely to get another one sooner if Discovery keeps going.

But what is important is that he had 2 penises (at least I think he had)! That's what makes it Star Treky and awesome, man. :-)



Yeah, it did surprise me. I think it was very poorly written season finale/big arc resolution. It lacked any drama, characters were douches as usual, the character they used to resolve the plot last appeared 13 episodes ago and even there he was unremarkable (who the hell does that in TV series?) and the fact the one baddie was killed several episodes ago and the other one (Voq) was just erased didn't help o make it appealing either as there was no one to really stand up to our "heroes". The episodes consisted basically only from waltzing onto Kronos, fiddling there for some time and then ending the war. That's almost worse than when there was that one huge fleet approaching for half of the season and then it got literally hand-waved away by omnipotent beings.
What was I supposed to watch in this episode?

Don't get me wrong I too want to see some more with that foolish hope of it being better than this one. It is only positive that Tyler and war are gone so it can't be really worse.
I don't have too much of that hope, though. Sure, so Saru is captain now, but Burnham is still MC and it will revolve around her. So either she will "suggest" what to do to her captain, or frown upon his decision and reluctantly carries it out while making in better in her own way to save the day or just plainly ignoring it and saving the day while getting reprimanded for undermining his authority.
I may be wrong but I am kind of sceptical.

I'd like to be wrong but I have my doubts.


What I kind of hoped for this episode was for the good ol' friendly Federation to actually blow Qo'NoS and all canon with it up.
That would be hillarious and in some masochistic way I would love to see where they would try to take it. :-)

Here's sthe thing - I totally agree with you. It's just that I all I wanted from this episode was to end the war. I was dreading a cliffhanger and the war going on for the entire series. Really, if the episode was actually a bit better, but ended with such a cliffhanger, I'd likely give up on the show right now.

It was weird, almost like the series gained sentience and realised how bad it's been, how shit this whole storyline is, and just decided to shrug it off. Found just any bullshit excuse to end the war and told Tyler and the Empress to fuck off so that we can move on.

Yeah, it's stupid, It makes no sense, it's rushed and has a ton of other problems. But getting rid of the characters tied to the war arc, of the spore drive and hand waving away Burnham's mutinee it felt almost like the show is doing a soft reboot. And that's just about the best thing it can do. That's what I liked, not the storytelling, writing, fitting arc conclusion or anything of the sort.

And like I said - I know that the chance of season 2 being any good is miniscule. I don't expect it to improve. But I can hope for it even if I don't think it's likely.

You could always hope that Captain Pike awakens in sick bay, after a cordrazine-induced nightmare. :-P

Can anyone tell me what "super-important" info the Emperor had which made the Feds give her command of the Enterprise? I must have missed it, because all I saw was her beaming down and then threatening someone to find out where that temple thingy was. What did I miss? What was that vital intel???

Anyone watch After Trek? Why does that guy always have to hold his mug? Is he actually drinking anything from that mug? Why does Sonequa always look like she's on speed when she appears on After Trek?

Why do I have so many bloody questions about this p.o.s. show?????

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I mean THERE ARE modern shows that have better writing than Trek. Including sci-fi and space opera shows. So even there will be a space adventure show without Star Trek name, but with its spirit (kinda like Orville only more serious) that would be better than Discovery. Heck, I would've love if instead of Discovery they would renewed Dark Matter.

It wasn't her info, it was her "lack of dignity". You see, everyone in Federation posesses some kind of iiner dignity (Burnham told this in some of MU episodes) which basically makes them selfrighteous whimps who can't give a case with a bomb to Tilly so she could blow Quonos. Only a person from MU would be savage enough to execute such an atrocity.

Season 1 of Discovery has been very disappointing. The episodes range from mediocre to terrible. From messing up the Klingons to destroying established canon to plain nonsensical writing this was a complete disaster. It seems the money was spent on high quality CGI rather than good writing. Out of this, I did manage to like some of the characters like Saru (please be captain in Season 2), Staments, Tilly, and even the new Harry Mudd.

Will they fix the writing for Season 2? I hope so. Even TNG had a bad Season 1 but then got a whole lot better with the rest of the series. I wish the same for Discovery because we need a good Star Trek series.

Will this rumored high quality CGI be released on Blu-ray, or when do we get to see it?
I guess it's like some effects for the first Star Trek movie, they didn't manage to finish them by the airdate?

I really hope you don't even jokingly suggest that the ship spinning around its axis before going to spore warp is "high quality"?


The timeloop episode with Mudd could have been good. Too bad it was basically a rip off of "Cause and Effect" with much added violence, which made Harry Mudd a mass murderer, something he never was. To top that all off, an attempted comedic ending in a mass murder episode in a dark series like Discovery was so completely out of place that even Picard couldn't facepalm enough that.