Bleh, I wrote a post with several quotes and they I managed to delete it all without posting it.
I suppose the message was: You are all wrong! Even when I am in agreement with you.

That wouldn't be the first time. Technically speaking Spock was the Captain of the Enterprise in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, even though when the training mission was diverted to rescue mission he was temporarily demoted to first officer.

But that's kind of good observation though. All these movies and tv episodes have been racist as captains have always been humans... er... humen.

I believe, in the long years between Enterprise and Discovery, someone pitched a new Star Trek show where some worlds would decide to leave the Federation as a protest for their excessive human-centrism. When we finally go "back" to the future of the timeline, I wish we can see something like this; maybe not as the whole premise for the show, but for a story arc it would be interesting. The Federation can't be the fairytale that they try so hard to sell us.

It was the idea for a new animated show I think. Frankly, I'm very glad it never happened. The last thing I want to see is the Federation falling apart :P Besides, we've pretty much already had that show, only it was called Andromeda.

I found it: [url=http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Federation]Article[/url]

It wasn't inteded as animation. I like some of the concepts, but others feel less than stellar. However, the reason that it was not produced is simply that TPTB decided to make the J.J. Abrams movies and they stopped working on their proposal.

Edit: Apparently the GOG forum software doesn't like the URL address. I hope it either gets solved on its own or you don't mind a bit of copy and pasting.

Sisko was half-prophet.

Actually, we're both right. I was thinking of this proposed series:

[url=http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Final_Frontier]http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Final_Frontier[/url]

Also, it seems that adding any links is broken :P

People really want to bring down the Federation. Also, poor Andorians. Although I believe they are already supposed to be (almost?) extinct in the TNG era.

I don't think I've ever heard anything to that effect. Unless you're seimply going by how rarely we've seen any in those shows. Which always irked me, by the way. It would have been way more interesting if Tuvok for example was an Andorian rather than "black Spock". Giving Andorians more screen time was one of the best things about Enterprise.

It was a possible explanation/theory as to why Andorians are barely seen or mentioned after TOS, that younger me thought was widely accepted. Maybe it was based on novels or other non-canon source. I recall it was something to do with their genetics.

he's a little shpoo!

Fuck me this is stupid. I'm so tired of this show.

Why is the show acting like Lorca is "a bad guy" and the Empress is one of the "good guys"? She's just as evil if not more! She's basically Hitler if he also ate people!

And can we please stop with this ridiculous, over the top kung-fu nonsense? This is (supposedly) Star Trek, not Arrow. It's just like the new X-Files where Mulder and Scully are suddenly Jason Bourne level badasses. Is this now a requirement for every modern tv show?

I love how almost no one is at all surprised about Lorca being Terran and evil. Saru is like "no, I would have sensed something!" and then gets conviced immediately. No one really questions it, even though the info comes from a convicted mutineer with no proof whatsoever. And everyone is immediately over that. No one is disturbed at all.

And now we learn that the Federation was decimated by the Klingons, almost obliterated. And yet just a few years later there is no trace of this cataclismic war. None.

The only good thing about this episode was the lack of Klingons. I guess we all just forgot about Tyler/Voq, and I'm fine with that.

I'm just so tired. Thank heaven's there are only two more episodes to go.

Hmpf, until the very last part I even felt like the show is setup better than it was before. That means with Lorca out and Saru as captain who actually possibly tries to utilize his crew properly but then it went back downhill (from the small hill it was on).

I expect some time travel shennigans now.

I didn't mind it. Also, I don't feel that they changed around the character of the Emperor whenever it was convenient. They almost immediately set her up as less evil than Lorca, maybe less evil than the norm for the darkling universe. Any inconsistency that's there is just a result of the pitfalls of the mirror universe. Like I said, they're all evil to the point of stupid and destroy stuff to the point of satire, which interferes with creating good characters; especially when it comes to relationships or anything involving emotions and situations alien to darklings like friendships and romances.

completely disagree on the fight choreography. I'm happy for michelle yeoh to elevate Star Trek hand to hand fighting scenes from double-axehandle territory. that was even worse when you consider it was Klingons getting beaten by double-axehandles from Starfleet. you got Michelle Yeoh all up in the business then you're gonna get Kung Fu and if you don't like I will personally Single Whip some sense into you. Keep in mind, they're all military. Starfleet, the Klingons, the Romulans. Practically every race we see is military with the exception of the ferengi.

everyone was surprised that lorca was darkling. they just didn't spend a lot of time dwelling on it. they're starfleet, dammit! I don't know when these were filmed and how long the Trek community has known about Lorca but if they knew that the Trek community knew, they wouldn't have really driven the reveal hard after that.

what do you mean a few years later? it's months later when they rejoin the timeline. do you mean events leading to TOS? dude, if the plan was for this universe (the "main" one in this show), to be the canon universe, it's gone now. we are in another universe. I have no doubts that we are seeing a non-darkling alternate universe to the old shows. I hold out hope that real Klingons will arrive on this show and smack the shit out of these stupid ones.

the only thing that's kind of lame is that Lorca's a little shpoo!

Flash grenade!!!

Damn that was stupid. If they were trying to defeat the emperor and kill everyone, why not use a real grenade and it would all be over and done with. I guess flash grenade and kungfu are both equally out of place in Star Trek.

Although my all-time favorite is actually from an old TOS comic book, where Spock knocks someone out by hitting him in the head with a phaser. Not even trying to nerve-pinch, or fire that phaser to stun or anything, so out of character and out of Star Trek, that it's almost brilliant because of that.


Starfleet is not a race. There are many pacifist races that belong to UFP, but don't take part in Starfleet. Originally even Vulcans were such a race, even though post-TOS series ruined that idea.

Even so, MOST races in Star Trek are actually not military! It's easy to get confused, as we mostly remember Klingon battlecruisers or whatever, but just about every other random weekly race in the series is non-military. To stay on the mirror topic, the Halkans from Mirror, Mirror were one such race among many others.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Halkan