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antrad88: My favorite character so far after 3 seasons is the blue guy with antennas, Shran. He has some Clint Eastwood vibe about him, and has some pride and honor, like he is some kind of Klingon actually.
He was pretty decent as Weyoun in Deep Space 9 as well. And his Brunt wasn't bad either.

IMO all these prequel series shouldn't even exist, all they do is undermine the importance of the previous crews who were supposed to be some kind of pioneers.
They can be pretty bad sometimes. I still found it enjoyable enough to watch at least and it wasn't as soul destroying as the Aliens prequel was for instance. What a disservice that was to the origin of the Aliens.

As for Discovery, I'm really enjoying the season.
Post edited April 14, 2019 by Pheace
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antrad88: My favorite character so far after 3 seasons is the blue guy with antennas, Shran. He has some Clint Eastwood vibe about him, and has some pride and honor, like he is some kind of Klingon actually.
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Pheace: He was pretty decent as Weyoun in Deep Space 9 as well. And his Brunt wasn't bad either.
By "he" you of course mean Jeffry Combs, the actor who played all those characters. Right?
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Pheace: He was pretty decent as Weyoun in Deep Space 9 as well. And his Brunt wasn't bad either.
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LootHunter: By "he" you of course mean Jeffry Combs, the actor who played all those characters. Right?
Yes.

It's hard to remember a memorable character from Enterprise though I have to agree which is a shame, I do think it had potential. I usually have a character or two I really like to watch, like the Doctor from Voyager, or the Bashir+O'Brien combo from Deep Space 9, Rodney Mckay from Stargate Atlantis.
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LootHunter: What do you think about Vulkan-Earth tensions in general? And Temporal Cold War? Those were my favourite parts of the Enterprise. I was quite disappointed that Voyager hadn't any similar long story arcs.
Temporal Cold war was really horrible imo, those time travel stories with antagonists from the future are a really bad idea imo, gets way too confusing. And iirc it was never really resolved either, just quietly dropped, because it obviously didn't work.
Star Trek should be merged with Doctor Who.


Oh yeah, and Star Wars and MCU. It would be epic. lol
Post edited April 14, 2019 by richlind33
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LootHunter: What do you think about Vulkan-Earth tensions in general? And Temporal Cold War? Those were my favourite parts of the Enterprise. I was quite disappointed that Voyager hadn't any similar long story arcs.
I think it is weird to say that about Voyager, since their long story ark was finding a way home. Yes, it is a most basic concept, but I was always interested to see what new ways and technologies they will find to shorten their path, there was always some kind of pressure on the crew and captain.

I have not finished Enterprise, I'm half through third season. In first two seasons my problem with Cold War is that I didn't feel like it is going anywhere, each episode about it left me feeling empty with no new information, except that Suliban are completely incompetent. Now in season 3 almost all focus is on Xindi and again each new episode makes them look more and more incompetent instead of becoming a even bigger threat. They make them plain stupid, like Enterprise captured their lead weapons designer in an unprotected ship in an area that was under attack by Enterprise in just the previous episode.

This is actually nothing new to Star Trek, they did the same with the Borg (let's be real, Borg could have destroyed the Federation in TNG any time they wanted simply by sending two cubes instead of one every time, it never made sense, the First Contact movie also made no sense). Speaking of Borg there was one episode with Borg where they disabled 24th century Borg with 22nd century phaser pistols, Borg should have had their shields adapted long time ago. In Voyager there was a great episode when 27th century Borg was unstoppable using their 24th century tech and had to be destroyed. It was both a great premise and quite an emotional story that also helped build Seven's character, something this series lacks.

As for Vulkans... I already said T'pol is a complete failure as a character so far. I think it makes no sense that they are allies and gave no help to fight the Xindi. They are mostly portrayed in negative light, having old fashioned beliefs, prejudice, discrimination among themselves, etc... They are in no way an enlightened species that has humans something to teach. This is also another common flaw of Star Trek, they spend too much time making humans look good and making others look bad. Every species that is supposed to be "enlightened" in some way, has some major flaw that makes humans look better in comparison. They are making Archer more and more aggressive, so I will have to see will they manage to impress me by the end.
Post edited April 14, 2019 by antrad88
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richlind33: Star Trek should be merged with Doctor Who.

Oh yeah, and Star Wars and MCU. It would be epic. lol
Yeah, they could all squeeze into the re-TARDIS and warp themselves into a different dimension.

And that would leave us with the kings of time travel. The only ones that ever truly mattered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dc6Pre77AY
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UnrealDelusion: I didn't finish the 1st season. I have better things to do than to watch this garbage and insult to Star Trek and Gene Roddenberry's legacy.

That's what I think of the STD to the Star Trek franchise.
The show pretty much still is garbage. I watch it because it's still Star Trek. I suffered through Enterprise and that turned out decent by the 4th season. I'm most likely going to watch the other 5 Star Trek series that CBS has ordered.

But for my money, Orville is my unofficial Star Trek show. It has only gotten better with its 2nd season.
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richlind33: Star Trek should be merged with Doctor Who.

Oh yeah, and Star Wars and MCU. It would be epic. lol
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Emob78: Yeah, they could all squeeze into the re-TARDIS and warp themselves into a different dimension.

And that would leave us with the kings of time travel. The only ones that ever truly mattered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dc6Pre77AY
Is the tardis like an infinite bag of holding?

I'm thinking we should cram all the politicians in there, too.
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antrad88: Snip
Ah, I see. Maybe I didn't noticed Xindi slips that much when I watched the series.

Anyway, I wonder what your final impressions will be after season 4, when Temporal War arc is concluded and Vulkans reach the turning point in becoming more enlitened.
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antrad88: I never watched Discovery, but I am currently struggling to watch Enterprise. I watched some of the episodes when I was in highschool, so for nostalgia reasons I wanted to see the entire series now since it is only 4 seasons. I grew up with Voyager and also watched TNG after Voyager and few episodes of TOS, and this Enterprise is such a massive letdown compared to all of that.

I just don't care about any of the characters, they have no depth, there is too much focus on Archer being some kind of action hero, it is very similar to TNG movies where they focused too much on Picard action. Trip is supposed to be some kind of engineer and third highest rank, but always gets in some trouble like he is an ensign or something. T'Pol actress did such a terrible job, she has one facial expression the whole time and usually just looks confused. Her whole character is just terrible, like every male crew member except Mayweather (or is it Mayflower, you see I don't know) had some weird sexual scene with her; being tied up, having a wet dream or those weird decontamination and massage scenes, it is uncomfortable to watch. And now in season three for no good reason she changes her outfit in every scene, it is so confusing. Also that intro song in season three got even more annoying.

Mayflower is also such a poor character, they made him too childish. At least Wesley was a prodigy and did some science stuff and was hanginf around Data and Geordi, but Mayweather is just doing nothing and he has the worst dialogue lines. About Hoshi all I know she is easy and Reed likes pineapples and has disagreement with parents, they are all just boring characters. The dog Porthos serves no purpose, at least Spot was there for Data to study emotional bonding and stuff.

My favorite character so far after 3 seasons is the blue guy with antennas, Shran. He has some Clint Eastwood vibe about him, and has some pride and honor, like he is some kind of Klingon actually. Doctor is OK too.

IMO all these prequel series shouldn't even exist, all they do is undermine the importance of the previous crews who were supposed to be some kind of pioneers. Now that whole concept is thrown out.
Enterprise used to be the weakest of the franchise although I give them props for season 3 and 4 those seasons were great imo but it was too little too late for the show. Although my advice would be watch some episodes of Discovery and then return to Enterprise. Discovery makes Enterprise look like a masterpiece in comparisson.

I highly recommend Deep Space Nine though if you haven't seen it yet. TNG is my favorite because that's the one i grew up with but without a doubt DS9 was the highpoint of Star Trek and the best the franchise has to offer.
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Pheace: He was pretty decent as Weyoun in Deep Space 9 as well. And his Brunt wasn't bad either.
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LootHunter: By "he" you of course mean Jeffry Combs, the actor who played all those characters. Right?
Jeffrey Combs played Brunt and Weyoun in DS9. In Enterprise he was Shran.
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antrad88: Snip
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LootHunter: Ah, I see. Maybe I didn't noticed Xindi slips that much when I watched the series.

Anyway, I wonder what your final impressions will be after season 4, when Temporal War arc is concluded and Vulkans reach the turning point in becoming more enlitened.
Be prepared for the series finale... It's the worst in the franchise and a slap in your face :)
Post edited April 15, 2019 by UnrealDelusion
So I finally finished watching Enterprise, and by finally I mean; Thank God I don't have to watch this anymore !

I highly disagree with people claiming the series gets better in last two seasons. All the flaws I mentioned about first two seasons continued in the last two, and in season four they went full retard (more about that in the spoiler section).

Characters remained uninteresting. Sato and Maywaether had less character development in 4 seasons than the three temporary characters in the TNG episode "Lower Decks" and I also cared more about those characters. Reed was usually just being an ass. T'Pol actress had developed an eating disorder and in some episodes she looked like she would collapse, I felt sorry for her. Archer and Trip were, I don't know... not too bad, but nothing memorable. Shran remained to be by far my favorite character, followed by doctor Phlox.

I complained about Suliban being completely incompetent and looking like a joke and the same thing happened with the Xindi. Enterprise gained their full trust way too easy, the whole thing was just poorly handled and I just couldn't take it seriously anymore. And the final scene in season three were Archer runs in slow motion and there is an explosion in the background is such a cliche I couldn't believe it, but it was a clear reminder I was not watching Star Trek, but a B action series. Season 4 continues in the same direction.

And that is the problem for me here, this is not a continuation of any of the old Star Trek television series, this feels like the continuation of the same philosophy you could have seen in TNG movies were they tried to turn it into an action sci-fi show for the masses. Same philosophy continued into the new movies which I didn't like, especially the last two, always fighting against a new threat, instead of exploring. It is not something I am interested in.

[SPOILER ALERT]
Season 4 was a complete train wreck in my opinion. The whole season they are constantly fighting against a new threat, like I am watching Dragon Ball Z or something. First there were alien Nazis, then Dr.Soong, then hostile Vulkans, then Romulans, then green orcs from Warcraft, then a terrorist organization. It's just too much at once for one season and except the Romulans, all these felt forced. In that terrorist episode there is a weapons station on Mars that is powerful enough to shoot Earth, but is not guarded at all and a mining ship just lands there, connects to a USB port and takes full control without any resistance. It's just poorly written like the most of the series.

Then there was that double episode with evil Enterprise from other dimension which felt like some perverted fan-fiction; making Sato a slut and women walking around with half of their uniforms missing, everybody behaving like cartoon villains... It was such a stupid pair of episodes, I couldn't believe it. And the episode right before that with 3 half naked green concubines was not much better.

Someone partially spoiled the final episode to me and I was mentally prepared to be disappointed, but I was still blown away just how bad it was.
[SPOILER ALERT]
Post edited May 02, 2019 by antrad88
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antrad88: bliip
I think you misread the title :P

The title of this thread is "Star Trek Discovery", not "Star Trek Enterprise"
Post edited May 02, 2019 by sanscript