Finally saw the last episode. It's.. I don't know. I'm torn about this one. There were parts I kinda liked, but there's so many little things that bug the hell out of me. Well, some little, some not so little. Like, in less than three hours they come up with a solution to the Klingon cloaks, the problem doubtless every scietific mind in Starfleet has been working on for months now? I'm sorry, but even if your crew was composed of Spock, Data and Seven of Nine I'd call bullshit on that. And with these clowns? Get the fuck out.

Some smaller stuff- the forest planet is located three hours at relatively low warp from the nearest Starbase? And yet despite the fact there's a giant transmitter there, built by a race actively trying to communicate with others, no one from Starfleet, you know, the organisation all about finding new life and new civilisations, has ever been to that planet before the previous episode? And are you seriously telling me, that this is the first the doctor learned of Stamets' condition? That the guy who is the key part of their super drive and underwent a dangerous, experimental procedure for it isn't under constant medical supervision? Did not have any medical examination before now? Or how about my favourite - the whole episode is about finding a way to detect cloaked ships... but somehow they were already able to detect a cloaked vessel entering the orbit around a planet from lightyears away.

And so on and so forth. Oh, and I'm tired of everything being shot at an angle for dramatic effect. That trick seriously got old by now.

Nine episodes in, I still don't feel like I know any of the characters, nor do I particularly care about any of them. I'll admit, some of the action was ok, and I liked seeing the Klingons finally get their asses kicked, though I'm not sure if it's because they are the villains, or more because I just really couldn't stand them from the very start. I just wish I could believe that the show is going to do a soft reboot after that cliffhanger, with a whole new premise. Yeah, it would be a whole lot like Voyager, possibly crossed with Sliders, but I'd still rather have that than what we had so far. Unfortunately, there are obvious lingering Klingon plot threads with Tyler, and we'll likely see Discovery back to the war and doing it's BSG impression in a few episodes at the most.

yeah, the cloak plotline irritated me too. the fact that they're already detecting cloaks doesn't sit right with me when you consider that the cloaking device was a huge advantage for the Klingons and Romulans in old shows.

and yeah these Klingons suck balls just no getting around that.

I guess Discovery didn't share their super algorithm with the rest of the fleet before getting Lost in Space, because for some reason they couldn't just send it immediately, they had to "refine it for the fleet" (total bullshit). But anyway, if you consider the future from TOS it's a whole different can of worms, as Klingons shouldn't even have cloaking technology yet. There is a part of me sort of expecting that following the cliffhanger we'll encounter a Starfleet ship that looks like proper Trek from around the period of The Cage, and we'll learn Discovery's universe is a parallel one, not the one from the old shows. But that would probably make too much sense.

You know, I honestly had no idea up until that last episode, that the female Klingon from the prison episode and was the same one we've seen before on ship of the dead and in the previous episode trying to escape with the admiral. Actually, I'm still not entirely sure if it actually is the same person.

1. Maybe it's just nitpicking, but a fight between a klingon and a human should not be taken so lightly, as klingons are a lot stronger and bigger. The amount of force she could muster from swinging arms and legs would be less than portrayed. And to use this to buy the Discovery more time before she would die seemed like a really good idea.

2. Getting "Lost" in space just because one person, a scientist I might add, just ignored the fact that he might not have survived and the consequences would be a catastrophe? Are we watching a bunch of teens? Btw, as a doctor, his companion should have stopped his beloved as it already had affected his work and his judgement, not matter how manipulative the captain is.

3. The Discovery just happened to have the smartest/brightest AND fastest people to come up with the worst solution in mere seconds. More accurately; by 2-3 persons. This solution must have been the most over-complicated ever written in a series. Unless, maybe the 24th century have discovered other dimensions to EMR than Maxwell himself could ever have foreseen in his research. Right, we're talking about an another universe...

4. They already had detected the ship and it would be impossible to let the target computer use that info? I thought every systems were supposed to be interlinked except the environmental one.

5. Anyone knows that if one in a war you don't wait several hours/days to put critical information on a nice presentation before transmitting it.

6. I agree, this it's-a-serious-moment-all-the-time-action-crunching-time-camera-angle is getting annoying.

I am amazed how stupid they think we viewers are when they constantly, inexplicably just magically resort to cheap tricks? I mean, ST fans are known for having a bit more between their eyes. It's not Lost, Heroes of Tomorrow, or Bold and the Beautiful we're talking about here :-D

And we've already established they are THREE HOURS AT LOW WARP away from the nearest starbase. There is literally no need to torture poor Stamets to make a jump. They'd be home in under an hour at max warp. Probably less than 30 minutes.

It might be just me, but I kind of like the captain. I sees his motives and he plays it well. He might be the only one that adds a bit of "depth" to the series, and at times the series focuses more on him than the others, to me at least it seems like it.

EDIT: The whole torturing of stamets was just to synthetically hype up the tension and just kill him off. Why couldn't some magical enemy just pop inside Discovery, again, and just shoot him. Much easier way.

A little late to the party...

I loved the adventure part in the mid-season finale. It was just exciting and fun to watch. I found the resolution of the scientific problem OK; after all, getting it required a technology that is only available in Discovery and making a dangerous move with all those jumps. And in most episode they usually find the solution last minute, anyway -nothing new here.

I could do without the torture/PTSD, but if they are going to do it, at least they're not using the reset button after one episode.

So far I have enjoyed the show and I am eager for new episodes. I agree most characters are not exactly likeable (Tilly is growing in me, unexpectedly), but I find them intriguing, especially Lorca.

A few weeks ago there was an interview in the newspaper with Jason Isaacs and Sonequa Martin-Green. They dropped a line about what the future holds for the show, but it was so vague that it could even fit your crazy idea. Not that I expect them to make such a bold move, although I'd really like to see at least one episode on the Mirror Universe to see Discovery's take on it.

On this show I don't think there'd be enough difference for anyone to notice :D

She was giving instead of him. A lot.
No.

Well, sometimes it is better. At least you will die fast and painless.
If a captain is a dumbass, who can't save the ship and a crew.

For you because you know: if there was expensive CGI made for something - it plays vital part in the story. But characters inside movie doesn't know that. :)
Don't make me laugh. In Discovery there are a lot of CGI for CGI sake. My deduction was from common sense and reason alone.

Because enemy ships is near lured by the signal.
There were no ships in the episode other than the one, they destroyed.

Destroying transmitter and refusing to complete a mission - following standard protocols?!
That wasn't cowardice, that was brainwashing. Just like at the end of the last episode. With Tyler.

She is very afraid of choking (she is allergic to polyester and viscoelastic polyurethane foam, which caused her to snore), failing friends or enraging someone (like Stamets when she fails). She is now cadet which belives that Starfleet is doing right things and also she is quite ambitious by the nature, so she wants to became a captain to help Starfleet doing right things even more. Hobbies I don't know, but she knows some 20th century history and things like beer pong. Also she likes musicians, but before that was fond of soldiers. This is just for start. :)
Oh, now I remember. All those things were told by herself at the table (boring exposition - is this one of your advanced storytellyng mechanics?). Failing and fear to enrage someone - so generic. Ambition? Still doesn't explain why. And EVERYONE in Trek knows a bit of Earth history.

And this is why previous us a YES! XD
No. She is not annoying - rewatch the episode.

Nothing stupid, just trying to win the war at start.
Except her actions wouldn't prevent the war at any rate.

No, i wrote diversity (mnogoobrazie, if you prefer :P) without "".
So did show's writers in their interviews on the net when telling about black woman and gay character that make their show diverse.

Tilly, for example, getting a hold of herself, start to be more professional, working on her problems. For example, started to run in a morning to shape herself up under advices of Burnam.
No. She doens't become more professional. And morning run - Burnam stops that in the end of the episode, agreeing that Tilly will make up for lack of physical training with her personality.

So I have finally caught up.

Unfortunately I didn't manage it in 2017 as I hoped to.
I wanted to go though the whole Star Trek but I only saw 2 episodes of Discovery in 2017 and rest I watched in last 3 days.
Otherwise I saw all TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and all movies up to Nemesis.
All that's left to watch is ST:Renegade and Abrams' movies.

As for Burnhamvery, I disliked it immensely and I think it has little to do with Star Trek.
Not only does it break everything in canon and continuity but also almost never I get the feeling like I am watching members of Federation.
Just some gemeric sci-fi starship at war.
First 2 episode were poor but bearable but when it moved to Discovery I was really appaled by the show. I disliked almost everything. The ship, the teleport drive (funcution as well tham spinning), the protagonist, story, Klingons, the way it is shot or the dark captain. I never liked Sisko as it seemed to me like he could get away with anything and doesn't shy away from most things but I have to forgive him now as Lorca is much much worse and I feel like doesn't represent anything that Federation captain stands for.

Honestly, I was prepared to throw the series away but it actually got a bit better in last few episodes.
Not that it is good show, but it is not as painful to watch right now and I am willing to give it some more chance to show me where it will lead. My hope for it is that they won't be able to use the drive anymore at all, it gets scrapped forever and the show will proceed in more Star Trek-y fashion.
Where it got better was when they visited some planet for the first time and it is only shame it took them 8 episodes to get there. I hope it won't take another 8 to visit surface for the second time.
It still is too dark and moody and really good, but at least it is not awful anymore, it's just not good and has some potential to keep at acceptable level. But even with that it will have unlikable protagonist with (mostly) either annoying or unremarkable crewmates.

Also forcing guy into shutgun marriage because he did breaking and entering, killed the ship crew many time over and over again, some of them as painfully as possible, attempted to sell the most valuable secret to enemy and hurted the poor whale seems like perfectly good and adequate punishment.

Renegades I frankly found almost unwatchable. But I really liked the previous effort by largly the same crew - Star Trek of Gods and Men.

I missed that. Thanks. I'll watch it for sure as well.
I don't know much about Renegades and I read it is not good but I am determined to watch as much as possibly so I am going to suffer though it. :-) Oh and Horizon. I left that one out of my list by mistake.

I just managed to watch Discovery too.

I think that the pilot episode(s) were the best beginning to any Trek series ever, and I was really expecting this to possibly be the second best Trek series ever (nothing can beat TOS!!!).
But the further the series progressed, it was obvious that episode by episode it was taking a plunge straight to hell. And we are counting only up to nine so far!!

I really liked the "dark side" of Federation and how people made wrong decisions with horrible consequences. In theory. But they did it completely wrong, regardless of great starting point.

And everything about the series is so stupid. Like every time they do that spore thing, it's almost unwatchable because...
1) it completely doesn't fit in the Trek canon
2) it's stupid as it is, even outside Star Trek
3) that spinning ship is just so embarassing.

In only nine episodes, they have gone from "the Best Trek Pilot Ever" to "even worse c*** than Enterprise was". The only saving grace for the series is that it is possibly better than those new Trek movies. Although I never had stomach to finish watching Enterprise, or watch new movies beyond the first attempt, so who knows, maybe they ended up even worse than I think.

I also think they are pushing the gay agenda too much. It's almost propaganda at this point, no such subtlety as was in Babylon 5 for instance.

And those Klingons... ugh... Well, the good point is that finally Klingons are speaking Klingon, and not speak American English with an additional qap'la here and there. But then we can also ask, why aren't Vulcans speaking Vulcan with each other? There's really no logic there!

And whatever happened to "Klingons don't take prisoners"??? Now they seem to do nothing but, and even rape their captives and stuff. And that line comes from Strar Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, which was directed by Nicholas Meyer, who is also "consulting producer" of this series. So what the heck is doing there? Not continuity at any rate!!!!
(Of course, it kind of makes sense, as he was one of the worst people ever to break continuity and such in Star Trek, but previously his stuff has been good otherwise.)



Yeah right on. Things in the series just don't make any sense.
Although I think you got that detecting part wrong. I may be completely wrong, but I think they didn't detect the SHIP, but they detected the WARP SIGNATURE. So they know there are Klingons somewhere around approaching, but have no idea where.
Of course, they seem to be very good at it, as other Trek crews were always caught off guard by approaching cloaked ships, no matter how we interpret it.



Now my speculation on what's happening next... INCLUDES SPOILERS, MAYBE, IN THE FORM OF SPECULATION!!


That gay engineer (whatever his name was) is suffering from the same thing as Gary Michell in the second TOS pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before". That's a nice way to mess the canon once more. Since they also seem to have been transported to some very strange place, I guess he somehow accidentally joined the Q, or even created the Q, or something like that. Or maybe he just gained those powers that Wesley Crusher had as a miracle child (ugh). Whatever. But if there's no connection to that "Michell incident" I'm very surprised by that.

I'll agree that the writing and acting for the relationship is rather lousy, but that doesn't make it pushing an agenda. It's just a not very well done relationship that happens to be gay.

No one on the show is making a big deal, or any sort of deal about them being gay. They just are. How much more subtle would you want them to be and what for?

Ok, on that I will actually defend the show (for once :P)- that line was obviously never exactly right, as we've seen Klingons take prisoners in TOS. We even learned they have very special technology to extract information from them. And later we've seen a whole prison planet ran by Klingons.

Discovery has so many serious issues with continuity, that one throwaway line isn't really worth obsessing over.

I may be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure they straight out say that they detected "a ship entering orbit".

Like said, in Babylon 5 it was done rather nicely.

But perhaps you don't know the exact background of Star Trek gay movement. People who are leaning that way have been complaining for decades how there are no gay characters in Star Trek. Some previous series tried to make some nods to that direction, like having host creatures and stuff, but there never really was a gay character.

Many were even disappointed when George Takei straight (heh) out said that Sulu was hetero.

Some fans even took it to themselves to make such, like in the fan series Star Trek: Hidden Frontier.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Hidden_Frontier]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Hidden_Frontier[/url]

So in this new series they are really pushing that agenda maybe to be a political counter-move to certain conservative movements in real life, but also to satisfy (heh) gay viewers.

This has lead to a situation where there are gay interactions even when there's no real dramatic need for that, and when there could be some dramatic reason for that, it's overblown. Like that gay kiss was pure propaganda. It attempted to be something that happened between Kirk and Uhura "Plato's Stepchildren", but the end result was simply embarassing.

Not to mention, they did it when they were both on duty! I don't recall anyone ever kissing anyone while on duty in TNG for instance, unless they were under some influence (alien, disease, or drugs). So it's quite obvious they put all that in there just for the sake of putting all that in there.


Detecting a warp signature which ends near planet's orbit would be pretty indicative that a ship has dropped out of warp and is entering orbit.

Anyway, the exact quote is:
"Captain, long range sensors have detected an incoming Klingon vessel, entering the system at high warp."