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drealmer7: there's no cop or doctor in this setup, it's been revealed now at least partially what we have
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trentonlf: If you are lying there could be a cop or doctor still in the game.
And yet another trent post where he "pretends" not to know the setup as a one-shot bulletproof - he said "I was trying to draw a kill and outing myself as the other PR probably wouldn't help with that" - how does that make any sense whatsoever? How does pretending to be a VT make it more likely that the scum are going to shoot you?
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trentonlf: If you are lying there could be a cop or doctor still in the game.
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Nachomamma8: And yet another trent post where he "pretends" not to know the setup as a one-shot bulletproof - he said "I was trying to draw a kill and outing myself as the other PR probably wouldn't help with that" - how does that make any sense whatsoever? How does pretending to be a VT make it more likely that the scum are going to shoot you?
Why would I reveal I was the 1 shot bulletproof? If you and drealmer knew I was the one shot there was no way y'all would have attempted a NK on me and that's the whole purpose of the bulletproof role, to absorb a NK. So yes I feigned ignorance, and trying to make that a scummy move just proves even more how bad you are floundering.
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Nachomamma8: Vote: Trentonlf

You should have read the matrix before you fakeclaimed because again, one-shot bulletproofs aren't informed of when they are hit or not. This leaves some ambiguity in when the night kill is missing N1 (so the JK doesn't know if they had anything to do with stopping the nightlkill), and whether the JK protected the bulletproof or not. I don't have a role name; I found a pet mouse that would throw a wrench in the plans of anyone attempting to harm me the first night. My nightly flavor is me going to sleep with my pet mouse by my side, there's not an update of whether I've been hit or not.

I understand (hope, at least) that this "you don't deserve the victory" piece is just a part of scum bravado; I wasn't aware that things were going to unfold in the way they did and I've been this gone in every site that I've played at. I don't think that one townie lurking means that the town deserves to lose and I don't think that you think that I've played particularly poorly considering that the entirety of the case you've managed to bring against me is "he's a lurker" and "he messed up a drealmer vote".
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trentonlf: I see you still don't want to attempt to say the role name, kind of hard when you don't know what it is. Smurf Village 1x Smurfproof, and there is no mouse for sure. I enjoy darting among the shadows and on occasion scaring others, and in my years of doing this I've acquired many tools and tricks to help me conceal myself and hide. Here's the key, I have a bunch of unspecified tools and tricks to survive one night assault. Doesn't matter what the assault is I can prevent it one time, and nothing has happened.

I've already explained my vote on drealmer, I found him trying to put me and JMich in a negative light early on as scummy. I would have voted anyone that did the same thing. Nice try trying to make a legitimate vote seem scummy, but it's a fail on your part.

Thank you for actually playing instead of lurking, I knew you had it in you.

Let me ask you a question, if you are the 1x bulletproof why would you vote for the person who claimed to be the jailer? On Day 1 all you know is there's a jailer or a tracker in the game, and then someone claims to jailer with no counter claim. At that point you have to remove your vote because the possibility is very high that he's telling the truth and is town, but you are insisting that you wanted to vote him. If you were the 1x bulletproof that vote makes no sense.

If you go back you'll notice I removed my vote on drealmer after he claimed jailer, I believed him at that time. If y'all had not killed Brasas I would have continued to believe drealmer. Your actions contradict what you are claiming.
I wasn't aware what you were asking when you asked for a role name; I thought you wanted a name which is something that all flipped scum have and no townies had and was hoping you'd slip and provide that.

I'll probably get into this when I'm done catching up, but "unspecified tools and tricks" is BZZZT; I see that you've missed out on the fact that all of the flavor bler has provided so far has something to do with the show (the smurfbobulator, truffle trolls) - the spellbook and magic wand is a reference to something from the show, as is the pet mouse - flavorwise, it's how our lovable little heroes realize that the smurf that dies last night was roled. What do you think they'd find at your crime scene if you were shot to know that you were the bulletproof? A bunch of "unspecified tricks"?

Drealmer said that he would vote lurkers in two days. He said the people he were watching right now were you and JMich (neither of you did anything at that point in time). How is that trying to cast you in a negative light?
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Nachomamma8: And yet another trent post where he "pretends" not to know the setup as a one-shot bulletproof - he said "I was trying to draw a kill and outing myself as the other PR probably wouldn't help with that" - how does that make any sense whatsoever? How does pretending to be a VT make it more likely that the scum are going to shoot you?
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trentonlf: Why would I reveal I was the 1 shot bulletproof? If you and drealmer knew I was the one shot there was no way y'all would have attempted a NK on me and that's the whole purpose of the bulletproof role, to absorb a NK. So yes I feigned ignorance, and trying to make that a scummy move just proves even more how bad you are floundering.
You're misrepresenting me; where in my last post did I suggest that you reveal you were the one-shot bulletproof?
Post edited November 28, 2016 by Nachomamma8
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trentonlf: For there to have been two NK's last night means whoever the 10th person is they're not town aligned, unless someone else can explain why we had two NK's?

To me that means we have 3 town left and a wrong lynch probably means we lose.

Right now my gut is telling me

Vote Nachomamma8

@drealmer please answer after the game, but why did you claim you were a Jailkeeper? You were the Roleblocker and so you knew there was either a Jailkeeper/1 shot bullet proof or a cop/doctor combo but did not know which one. You effectively outed yourself as scum to whoever was the jailkeeper and if there happened to not be one then whoever was the cop/doctor. Why put yourself in a corner with no outs?
Now, there are two major problems that I have with that.

First, the vote on me. Trent never actually expressed any suspicion on me prior to this point; this means that he's suddenly risking the game making a vote on me when he doesn't have any reason to do so other than "gut" and when I wasn't a major suspect before. This is a scummy approach to the game, which can pretty easily be compared to everyone else posting at the time; both gogtrial and Darko wanted to take their time to look over things again because it makes absolutely no sense to just leap when you think the game is on the line, while Hunter followed this vote in pretty much the same style immediately.

This little @drealmer bit bothered me before but not significantly enough to bring up then and it still bothers me now. Trent, why were you asking Drealmer why he claimed Jailkeeper in the game thread? It's kind of weird to assume that he's reading along and that he'll answer it after the game - it seems more likely that you'd be focused on it if you thought a partner made a bad claim than anything else.
You are claiming my acting like I did not know there was a one shot bulletproof in the game was scummy, so what should I have done? Stepped up and claimed bulletproof? You are trying awfully hard to make me look bad for not revealing my role.
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DarkoD13: Come on, you're the only I have leaning towards town, you have to explain why.
My first post merge:
I'll have some thoughts on everyone after Nacho chimes in.
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trentonlf: I don't like how he distanced himself from drealmer at then end of Day 1, after basically defending him all day, with a "it's a drealmer lynch or no lynch" and then proceeds to not truly vote drealmer.
The bolded is also a misrepresentation of what happened; I attacked him for his response to Lift, I didn't think that the case on him was particularly compelling and so I didn't follow. I ended up pushing people to vote drealmer so that there wouldn't be a no lynch; I think that no lynches are harmful to town (it should be obvious that in this case, if we pressed the wagon on drealmer quicker or forced through a lynch then we would have a scum lynch and a confirmed town via jailkeeper). You harping on me messing up my vote on drealmer because I forgot an unvote is silly; being forced to unvote before voting is again, an unusual rule, and I was clearly distracted at that point (I mentioned that I didn't have much time and the day before I mentioned I wasn't going to be around). The fact that so much of your case hinges on me not making a mistake with a vote as if I'm a robot or something is a huge part of why you're scum; you're grasping at something at the end of the day that doesn't matter much at all because it's all that you can find on me. That wouldn't at all be the case if the roles were reversed.
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trentonlf: You are claiming my acting like I did not know there was a one shot bulletproof in the game was scummy, so what should I have done? Stepped up and claimed bulletproof? You are trying awfully hard to make me look bad for not revealing my role.
Neither of those things. Claiming that you didn't know the setup made you seem like a VT which took away your ability to crumb PR if drealmer was lying; keeping quiet and hedging your bets there is always the correct move. Now will you explain why you pretended you didn't know the setup? What benefit did that bring town again?

And, again, I'm not trying to say that you should have revealed your role - this is the second time that I've asked you to explain where that happened and the second time where you've completely failed to defend yourself. If you are town, then why are you feeling the need to resort to putting words in my mouth in order to win? If I were scum, there would be places where I slipped, reasons why I was scum (for example, like your early vote on drealmer that didn't actually made sense, like you avoiding any productive commentary for the rest of Day 1, like these posts where you pretended you didn't know the setup which show that you weren't expecting to claim one-shot bulletproof down the road, you attacking me way too harshly for forgetting to unvote); why aren't you pointing those out for trial as opposed to claiming that I'm accusing you of things that I'm not accusing you of?
Post edited November 28, 2016 by Nachomamma8
If I was partners with drealmer I would have asked him Night 1 why he claimed jailkeeper. My question to him in the thread is one I hope he answers because I don't understand why he would put himself in that situation with no outs.

Your insistence that me claiming not to know the setup is bad makes me laugh every time you try to push it. Why on earth would I claim to be the one shot? What benefit does it give town? If you and drealmer knew I was the one shot there was no chance at all y'all would try to NK me, but if y'all didn't know I was the one shot here was a chance I would be the NK target.
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bler144: The mid-day D3 Vote Count

Nacho (1): Hunter

Not voting (4): Darko, Trial, Nacho, Trent

Maj = 3, Nacho closest to being smurfed into the Smurfmatic Smurfmotabulator at L-2.

Deadline Wed at noon pacific, <48 hours ahead.
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trentonlf: Seems the game has hit a wall of apathy so figured I would talk to you.

How's it going? Ready for Thanksgiving?
And then there's this post; townie feels that the game is lagging, thinks that there is probably two scum left to find. Do you think that a townie thinks that the best thing that they could be doing right now is... talking to the moderator about Thanksgiving plans? When trial calls him out on it, he shares some perfunctory comments on gamestate, but I think this is trent's play this game to a T - he's posting just to show that he's active in thread and posting, but, if he were town, his motivation of posting wouldn't be just to show that he's around; his motivation for posting would be to find scum and it clearly isn't.
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trentonlf: If I was partners with drealmer I would have asked him Night 1 why he claimed jailkeeper. My question to him in the thread is one I hope he answers because I don't understand why he would put himself in that situation with no outs.

Your insistence that me claiming not to know the setup is bad makes me laugh every time you try to push it. Why on earth would I claim to be the one shot? What benefit does it give town? If you and drealmer knew I was the one shot there was no chance at all y'all would try to NK me, but if y'all didn't know I was the one shot here was a chance I would be the NK target.
I did not say that you should claim to be one shot.
I did not say that you should claim to be one shot.
I did not say that you should claim to be one shot.

You saying that you don't know the setup doesn't increase the chances that you will be nightkilled. Thus, it makes no sense for you to do as town, especially immediately after your TOP SUSPECT CLAIMED POWER ROLE. Please explain why you think that saying that you don't know the setup would increase your chances of being nightkilled.
Post edited November 28, 2016 by Nachomamma8
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trentonlf: Seems the game has hit a wall of apathy so figured I would talk to you.

How's it going? Ready for Thanksgiving?
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Nachomamma8: And then there's this post; townie feels that the game is lagging, thinks that there is probably two scum left to find. Do you think that a townie thinks that the best thing that they could be doing right now is... talking to the moderator about Thanksgiving plans? When trial calls him out on it, he shares some perfunctory comments on gamestate, but I think this is trent's play this game to a T - he's posting just to show that he's active in thread and posting, but, if he were town, his motivation of posting wouldn't be just to show that he's around; his motivation for posting would be to find scum and it clearly isn't.
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trentonlf: If I was partners with drealmer I would have asked him Night 1 why he claimed jailkeeper. My question to him in the thread is one I hope he answers because I don't understand why he would put himself in that situation with no outs.

Your insistence that me claiming not to know the setup is bad makes me laugh every time you try to push it. Why on earth would I claim to be the one shot? What benefit does it give town? If you and drealmer knew I was the one shot there was no chance at all y'all would try to NK me, but if y'all didn't know I was the one shot here was a chance I would be the NK target.
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Nachomamma8: I did not say that you should claim to be one shot.
I did not say that you should claim to be one shot.
I did not say that you should claim to be one shot.

You saying that you don't know the setup doesn't increase the chances that you will be nightkilled. Thus, it makes no sense for you to do as town, especially immediately after your TOP SUSPECT CLAIMED POWER ROLE. Please explain why you think that saying that you don't know the setup would increase your chances of being nightkilled.
You are being dense. If I claimed that I knew drealmer was probably telling the truth in his claim of being the jail keeper that immediately tells you and drealmer both that I'm the one shot bulletproof. Y'all knew there was either a doctor and a cop in the game or a jailer and a one shot. Now tell me how claiming to know the setup helps town in this situation. It doesn't, it only benefits scum.
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trentonlf: You are being dense. If I claimed that I knew drealmer was probably telling the truth in his claim of being the jail keeper that immediately tells you and drealmer both that I'm the one shot bulletproof. Y'all knew there was either a doctor and a cop in the game or a jailer and a one shot. Now tell me how claiming to know the setup helps town in this situation. It doesn't, it only benefits scum.
I never suggested that you say that you knew drealmer was probably telling the truth, and I never said that you should have claimed to know the setup. I'm asking you why you pretended you knew the setup, which doesn't mean that I'm claiming you should have done the opposite; my suggestion is that you should have avoided touching that particular piece of WIFOM whatsoever. I know that you know exactly what I'm trying to say here; if trial would like me to elaborate on anything to do with this point then I will but as for the meantime I suggest that you try to respond to the other stuff that I've brought on you.
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gogtrial34987: Very much not apathy here, but the things I want to talk about, I'd prefer not to talk about until nacho has given an initial reaction.

Do you have avenues of thought and discussion which you'd like to explore?
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trentonlf: I'm still concerned as to why there was two NK's, that does not bode well for town. If we lynch wrong and there is two NK's again we lose. As for the two NK's the only thing that fits is the 10th person did one of them. So whatever we do today waiting until the last minute to talk about it is not good for town. So the longer Nacho takes to post anything of merit makes me feel his intentions are not town aligned.

@Bler you are one crazy Smurf if you've waited this long to buy your groceries for Thanksgiving. I dread going to the store the week of Thanksgiving so I buy everything possible the week before.
Here you point out that waiting to talk about things hurts the town, here you point out that you think that there are two scum - and yet you're not talking about why you think that I'm scum, you're not talking about who you think the second scum is. Why?

Why was it beneficial for me as scum to lurk at that point, considering lurking was essentially the entirety of the case against me at that point?

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DarkoD13: I'm leaning more towards a Hunter vote. No gotcha moment sadly. He's significantly stepped up his game for D3, but I can't get over his D1 posts.
It probably ends up being a very subjective thing, but if I was part of a 2-person scum team I could see myself defending my buddy in vague ways like the drealmer always being weird thing. Most of his D1 posts appear inquisitive at times but mostly just play off of other people's thoughts without contributing anything solid to scumhunting.
Nacho is obviously an experienced player and could easily be playing us, but I just can't see as much to the trial defense as brasas did.
Not a lot to work with here and I know we ususally just get our bearings on D1, but, yeah, can't see myself voting Nacho over Hunter. Hunter has just been scummier.
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trentonlf: There is no overly compelling evidence to vote one way or the other for me. I still have a feeling Nacho might be playing us, but it's more of a gut feeling than anything. As I said earlier it's between Nacho and Hunter and seeing as you and gogtrial believe it to be Hunter, and I have both of you as town, I will go with Hunter.

Vote Hunter
And this is another place where trent's thought process doesn't line up with a townie's. He starts the day voting me, no mention of Hunter. Hunter starts to get heat, trent suddenly announces that it's between me and Hunter and everyone else is town. This is all the thought that he's put into the game for that Day; he has no reasons for thinking anyone is town/scum, he just happens to think that the two people he can get lynched are Scum and the two people he can't are Town. This is another huge red flag in my eyes; contrast this with how I thought trent was Town yesterday and how I thought Hunter was scum; I thought that the 10th player was a one-shot vig (SKs swing the game pretty harshly in general), but didn't want to say as much just in case I was wrong, and I thought the game ended with his lynch. Trent voting me right out of the gate today and not even expressing a second of hesitation on me today (even though he did yesterday), and not even mentioning a reason why he thought you were town is a strong scumtell; if he were town, there would be a great deal more doubt and hesitation and caution because if he voted wrong, the game would be over instantly. As scum, he knows that's not the case and so he votes immediately because he knows that he's going to try to mislynch me today.
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trentonlf: You are being dense. If I claimed that I knew drealmer was probably telling the truth in his claim of being the jail keeper that immediately tells you and drealmer both that I'm the one shot bulletproof. Y'all knew there was either a doctor and a cop in the game or a jailer and a one shot. Now tell me how claiming to know the setup helps town in this situation. It doesn't, it only benefits scum.
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Nachomamma8: I never suggested that you say that you knew drealmer was probably telling the truth, and I never said that you should have claimed to know the setup. I'm asking you why you pretended you knew the setup, which doesn't mean that I'm claiming you should have done the opposite; my suggestion is that you should have avoided touching that particular piece of WIFOM whatsoever. I know that you know exactly what I'm trying to say here; if trial would like me to elaborate on anything to do with this point then I will but as for the meantime I suggest that you try to respond to the other stuff that I've brought on you.
You haven't brought anything on me. You're trying to put me on the defensive, and there's nothing I need to defend. Your actions Day 1 clearly show you are not the one shot. You would not have wanted to vote drealmer after he claimed to be the jailkeeper. If you were the one shot then as far as you would know he was telling the truth because a jailkeeper could be in the game and no one counter claimed or claimed another role to prove he was lying. Yet you are insisting that your intent was to lynch drealmer on Day 1 after he claimed. There's no way you would have if you were truly the one shot.
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Nachomamma8: I never suggested that you say that you knew drealmer was probably telling the truth, and I never said that you should have claimed to know the setup. I'm asking you why you pretended you knew the setup, which doesn't mean that I'm claiming you should have done the opposite; my suggestion is that you should have avoided touching that particular piece of WIFOM whatsoever. I know that you know exactly what I'm trying to say here; if trial would like me to elaborate on anything to do with this point then I will but as for the meantime I suggest that you try to respond to the other stuff that I've brought on you.
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trentonlf: You haven't brought anything on me. You're trying to put me on the defensive, and there's nothing I need to defend. Your actions Day 1 clearly show you are not the one shot. You would not have wanted to vote drealmer after he claimed to be the jailkeeper. If you were the one shot then as far as you would know he was telling the truth because a jailkeeper could be in the game and no one counter claimed or claimed another role to prove he was lying. Yet you are insisting that your intent was to lynch drealmer on Day 1 after he claimed. There's no way you would have if you were truly the one shot.
I didn't vote drealmer after he claimed. I voted drealmer; he claimed in response to my vote.
Nice try, though.

Although, if you "knew" he was telling the truth... then why didn't you make a vote to save him? Why did you just unvote instead of trying to direct the vote anywhere else?
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trentonlf: You haven't brought anything on me. You're trying to put me on the defensive, and there's nothing I need to defend. Your actions Day 1 clearly show you are not the one shot. You would not have wanted to vote drealmer after he claimed to be the jailkeeper. If you were the one shot then as far as you would know he was telling the truth because a jailkeeper could be in the game and no one counter claimed or claimed another role to prove he was lying. Yet you are insisting that your intent was to lynch drealmer on Day 1 after he claimed. There's no way you would have if you were truly the one shot.
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Nachomamma8: I didn't vote drealmer after he claimed. I voted drealmer; he claimed in response to my vote.
Nice try, though.

Although, if you "knew" he was telling the truth... then why didn't you make a vote to save him? Why did you just unvote instead of trying to direct the vote anywhere else?
I didn't know he was telling the truth, I knew it was possible he was telling the truth. And I was not going to lynch a possible town role. Obviously you did not feel the same or you would have unvoted, but your concern was busing your scum buddy to get town cred.
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Nachomamma8: I didn't vote drealmer after he claimed. I voted drealmer; he claimed in response to my vote.
Nice try, though.

Although, if you "knew" he was telling the truth... then why didn't you make a vote to save him? Why did you just unvote instead of trying to direct the vote anywhere else?
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trentonlf: I didn't know he was telling the truth, I knew it was possible he was telling the truth. And I was not going to lynch a possible town role. Obviously you did not feel the same or you would have unvoted, but your concern was busing your scum buddy to get town cred.
I didn't make a post after drealmer claimed since I wasn't around; am not even sure what you're trying to accuse me of here. Why didn't you vote someone else after drealmer claimed?