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GammaEmerald: Hey CSPVG and oldwino why don't you put your money where your mouths are and vote me
Ok, so I think Gamma is scum but is vengeful, an interesting flip from the MS game where the vengeful was town. I think Gamma is trying to get lynched so he can kill town on his wagon, specifically me. And I think he's trying to distance himself from CSPVG who is his scum buddy. He also is pushing that there are only two scum, so we are less suspicious of at least one of his scum buddies and so we are less afraid to vote, giving three scum a good chance to pounce on a wagon with two town already on it and win for scum.
So let's see what happens.

Vote CSPVG
Let me also add, that we have already had the LyLo discussion. Gamma has been hanging at 2 votes and he wasn't piled on. As already stated Town needs to be very careful with their votes and placing a vote on anyone else opens the door for scum to mislynch for the victory. But both Gamma and CSPVG seem rather unconcerned about that possibility. Why is that besides they being scum?
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RWarehall: It's time for my Nostradamus moment. I know the 3rd scum now.

One thing that has been bothering me about Trent all game is his insistence that roles haven't changed at all and that Drealmer didn't change them. You know why that is? I bet you that it's because Trent has a Town name from last game, but is scum this one and he is trying to use his name from last game for a free pass when necessary. Let's add to this his list of targets today at LyLo. First Sage and now Oldwino. If I'm right about the Gamma, CSPVG, Trent scum team, then these are the two seemingly easiest lynches on the board. He's trying desperately to shift the lynch away from his compatriots. He's trying to get one of us townies to misvote, so that his team can pile on for the win.

By the way, Trent's role reveal was the wrong answer...I believe him when he says he's Vanilla but he isn't a Townie.
I have a name that is not used in the last game nor is my ability used last game from what I read. I could be wrong and missed something but I do think this game is similar but different.

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oldwino: I've been trying to make sense of Trent's suspicions of me, from pretty much near the beginning of the game in RVS, and now maybe I understand. I'm not ready to vote yet (have I said that enough, sorry?) but I'd probably jump on a Trent wagon if one got going. Some OMGUS for sure, but also an increasing scum lean. Enough to help take him to L1 and see what else, if anything, he'll claim. I don't buy the VT claim, seemed pointless so why bother? VScum, hmmmm. Quite possible.
So you have no problem jumping on the wagon at the last minute. This doesnt sit well with me. It is a not the time to be so easy to vote a lynch. If there is a mistake the game could be as good as over.

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oldwino: Gamma is more scummy to me than CSPVG right now although if there are three scum, CSPVG is in the running.
I believe Hunter's doc claim and Sage's claim, although not sure what to call it. Neighborizing two others each night, with the option of keeping them the same or switching to others each night? Night visitorizing? Maybe just plain drinking buddies.
Guess by POE my read list is becoming kind of apparent.
There was no a name given to me just a description.

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trentonlf: So tell me RW do you have a scum name from last game? My name is Ed "McNugget" Nugent, what's yours?
I do not think names are any way of figuring out who is who. I know for sure my name is not in the last game and Hunters is not either. And I believe him. We know wino claims to have a scum name and be town. Lift was who he said he was. I think that drealmer has some names and roles the same and some a little different and a few the same. I think he did this to make sure the game was nothing like last game and honestly to confuse the hell out of us.

Im sitting here thinking that if gamma is vengeful his whole point is his role is to dying trying to take out scum. But we should all have to be on board and then if we were all on board we should just vote who we think is scum so that puts us right back to where we are.

Going into this day gamma was my top thought on scum but now I am honestly not sure. If he is scum vengeful then we do lose a scum in the process but also someone else who is town. I fear this is to much of a gamble.

My second was old wino because of his name but thats gone out the window on finding out more. I still am not sure that he is town. I hate that he seems to be so easy to throw his vote around if it will hammer and get the day done.

I also had CSPVG on my possible scum or at least someone to really look at. One because of his use of flavor to being with. It worried me that he was trying to communicate something to his scum buddies with the flavor talk. (Do not get me wrong I enjoyed seeing flavor but it worried me) and also he didnt seem to be around must but to pop on and post some flavor and then off. To me it seemed a bit of hiding in plan sight on and showing up it was needed. I do know this game is in the summer and absence can not be helped but I have not read anything from him on not being active. If I missed it please link me.

For right now I we still have more time to figure things out Which we need to do together. We should not rush this day to a end when there is more.

I also wanted to ask if we should openly talk about who I should pick or if that is best to keep to myself? I was leaning towards keeping it to myself but if its in towns best interest to talk about it then we should.
We should definitely be talking it out before voting more. Oldwino is my 4th Town mostly by default. You should remove that vote while we discuss it. I'm not opposed to voting any of my 3 candidates in any order. I do not believe Gamma is really Vengeful because it would be overpowered for scum, but just in case:
Unvote Gamma

So his two scum-buddies can't pile on (also why I don't think he is). He could always be last if we wish.
@meda okay I'll stop being shitty now. Alright, I will go with who I think might be scum.
Gamma & CSPVG
Gamma I'd explained already and given his other posts I feel a bit more sure that he might be scum. CSPVG seems pretty lurky and isn't saying much even when he's here. I think there's bound to be 1 more scum though I'm not sure who that'd be. But if I had to pick I'd say it is one of Trent or rw.
I doubt Gamma is vengeful as others are thinking.
Although I'm almost certain I'd be scum favorite pick for nk if we make it through d2 I'd rather not disclose my order of town leans as it would make it easier for them to figure out my protection target.
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RWarehall: We should definitely be talking it out before voting more. Oldwino is my 4th Town mostly by default. You should remove that vote while we discuss it. I'm not opposed to voting any of my 3 candidates in any order. I do not believe Gamma is really Vengeful because it would be overpowered for scum, but just in case:
Unvote Gamma

So his two scum-buddies can't pile on (also why I don't think he is). He could always be last if we wish.
I see your point about removing my vote for now, and others who have posted seem to think we should be very careful and not lynch yet, which is how I was thinking until I became convinced that Gamma and CSPVG were scum and became afraid to vote for Gamma because of his apparent DESIRE to get lynched (leading me to believe he is vengeful).

@Hunter, what do you think? You are most surely the most conf!town so your opinion on my removing my vote for now is really important to me. Last I looked, you were on line so I will stay on line for a while and see if you reply.

I see Hunter is NOT on line anymore, but I'll stay online a while to see if there are other related comments.
Post edited August 24, 2017 by oldwino
Ok, Hunter nor anyone else responded so just to be safe and be patient like I've stressed before,
unvote CSPVG
for now.
vote count / votecount / vote-count / VC - 2.03
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GammaEmerald - 1 - Hunter65536,
CSPVG - 1 - GammaEmerald,
oldwino - 1 - trentonlf,
RWarehall - 1 - CSPVG,

NOT VOTING - 3 - Sage103082, RWarehall, oldwino

7 alive takes 4 to LYNCH


if your vote is not on the player you wish it to be, notify me
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Hunter65536: @meda okay I'll stop being shitty now. Alright, I will go with who I think might be scum.
Gamma & CSPVG
Gamma I'd explained already and given his other posts I feel a bit more sure that he might be scum. CSPVG seems pretty lurky and isn't saying much even when he's here. I think there's bound to be 1 more scum though I'm not sure who that'd be. But if I had to pick I'd say it is one of Trent or rw.
I doubt Gamma is vengeful as others are thinking.
Although I'm almost certain I'd be scum favorite pick for nk if we make it through d2 I'd rather not disclose my order of town leans as it would make it easier for them to figure out my protection target.
I think you're wrong about Gamma. Go back to Day 1 and ask yourself why would he want to be lynched but not want meda, Darko, or Lift on his wagon. And then again today he's pushing people he thinks is probable scum to vote him. I don't see scum doing that, but I do see someone who's vengeful and town doing it, especially today with us being at a likely Lylo situation. If Gamma is scum and doing what he's doing I will be surprised and very perplexed.

CSPVG I can see being scum, he's been posting just enough to not be prodded by the mod and has not really been pushing anyone to try and find scum. Hiding in plain sight is what comes to mind.

Maybe I have it wrong with RW and he has a scum name from last game and is legitimately town, but if I am going off of what I know and seen with flips so far then him and oldwino are for sure scum because everyone who's been killed has had a name from last game and their alignment has been the same and my name and alignment are the same as well. The only part that has me unsure about him is why he would claim a scum name when he could just say his name was one that was not in the last game like yours.

I encourage you to ISO oldwino again and tell me what you think though, I think you're wrong about him too.


For me today it's either oldwino or CSPVG, what are your thoughts?
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RWarehall: We should definitely be talking it out before voting more. Oldwino is my 4th Town mostly by default. You should remove that vote while we discuss it. I'm not opposed to voting any of my 3 candidates in any order. I do not believe Gamma is really Vengeful because it would be overpowered for scum, but just in case:
Unvote Gamma

So his two scum-buddies can't pile on (also why I don't think he is). He could always be last if we wish.
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oldwino: @Hunter, what do you think? You are most surely the most conf!town so your opinion on my removing my vote for now is really important to me. Last I looked, you were on line so I will stay on line for a while and see if you reply.

I see Hunter is NOT on line anymore, but I'll stay online a while to see if there are other related comments.
Reply to my post next time so I will get a notification especially since you waited for me, I was downloading a game at that time through GOG downloader. I will need some more time to go through day 1 to ensure I am not missing out on anything.
@trent I'll do that then.
I really don't have much to say rn. Just posting so you know I'm seeing the game
I love how Gamma has contributed next to nothing but Trent is backing him up as town on the flimsy premise that he has alluded to possibly being vengeful and that makes him Town because the game is the same as last one. Yet he makes up this contrived explanation about what Gamma is doing based on him trying to leave Town off his wagon. Yet, in the last game, the Vengeful player had his choice of players, so there would be no reason at all to want anyone else off the wagon.

Which is it Trent? Is the game so much the same you can trust just about everything to be the same or are we supposed to believe you have some great insight into what changes have been made with your Vanilla Town role?

I think at this point, it's pretty clear Gamma and Trent are a team. I'm a touched worried about how both of them are pointing fingers at CSPVG. I still think all three are the scum team and they are just bussing CSPVG, but it at least raises some doubts.
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RWarehall: I love how Gamma has contributed next to nothing but Trent is backing him up as town on the flimsy premise that he has alluded to possibly being vengeful and that makes him Town because the game is the same as last one. Yet he makes up this contrived explanation about what Gamma is doing based on him trying to leave Town off his wagon. Yet, in the last game, the Vengeful player had his choice of players, so there would be no reason at all to want anyone else off the wagon.

Which is it Trent? Is the game so much the same you can trust just about everything to be the same or are we supposed to believe you have some great insight into what changes have been made with your Vanilla Town role?

I think at this point, it's pretty clear Gamma and Trent are a team. I'm a touched worried about how both of them are pointing fingers at CSPVG. I still think all three are the scum team and they are just bussing CSPVG, but it at least raises some doubts.
Also it doesn't quite explain how readily Gamma believed meda on day 1 which was also mentioned by Trent before on d2.
Have yet to ISO oldwino but looking back at Gamma's d1 didn't change my opinion of him.
Tbh I feel comfortable saying trent is town for his progressions
Also RW I think you're trying way too hard to justify a scumread on me and are basically FOSing anyone who gets in the way of that
Actually I think I was right in unpick when I FOSed you so I feel comfortable with this
Vote RWarehall
Here's the scum push...
Gamma, you have contributed nothing to the game. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

You are a log. You are useless. You are not helping at all. Die SCUM die!

If you were actually paying attention, you would know full well voting at probable LyLo is a bad idea, but since you are scum, you have no reason to care...