Honestly I don't like this post. I don't like how wino says Meda killed Dark. That was THE VOTERS that killed Dark.
Oh and also why did you say we were 100% at LyLo?

@RWare you've done a lot of talking about why trent is scum while voting anywhere else; why? If trent is trying so hard to desperately shift the lynch away from his scumbuds then... why are you not voting him? Your scumread there feels super sure and the reasoning behind is way stronger than anything else you've whispered about and yet you... aren't voting him.

@oldwino you need to talk about your reads. This whole ~hiding my leans from the mafia~ thing is absurd. If you have reads, talk about them. I don't understand your progression trent - please talk about that too; the way that you basically parroted RWare saying that trent might be a goon and would jump on his wagon is ??? - literally WHY on anything this game.

Same goes for pretty much everyone. If you're town here you need to be talking about who you're scumreading and townreading and why.

@trent why did you claim?

@Hunter your activity was super shit yesterday but you seem relatively active now... what changed? Why weren't you around day 1? Where are you at with reads? What are your thoughts on the gamestate?

3 scum 4 town dunno what else that would be called?
@meda Your game was super shit yesterday On day 2, I thought that I was a doctor who protected scum from paranoid kill so I had to share my hypothesis but I later understood that I didn't fully consider other possibilities. On day 1 given your play and lack of willingness to answer any questions you were conf!scum to me. Remember how you kept saying conf!Town? It is similar to that but with scum in place of town.
I already gave my reads, looking for something specific? Thoughts on gamestate? About what exactly?

3 scum isn't confirmed at all though.

My thought too. Gamma is clearly the surest thing. And I thought the same thing about distancing.

As to Trent and why it's the wrong role. It's simple. If you are the 4th Town, where are our investigative roles? We've already had Vanilla Town with a bulletproof and a Lover. A Bodyguard. We have claims of our Doctor and a Bartender.
Does it really make sense we don't have even one Watcher or Tracker like last game? I'm not one, so the right role would have been an investigator of some sort. That is why I don't believe you are Town.

Maybe, just maybe, there are only 2 scum. Deep off chance Trent is the 5th Town which makes another Vanilla a possibility but I doubt it. Combine that with Trent's unusual insistence that all roles/names/factions in the game are the same as last game because his supposedly is, told me a lot. It is not a reasonable stance. Anyone should know Drealmer has to mix something up and having some names (if repeated) switched as to roles and factions just makes too much sense.

And yes, my name was scum last game. Pretty obvious from my actions and comments. That told me from the start that it was very likely that scum would also get Town names. And I've been watching for signs of scum trying to capitalize on it. When Lift claimed his matched, I was also eyeing him closely for other signs he might be scum. I said before that I would have voted him over Meda before his claim. That is why. And we have Trent pushing all game against Oldwino for a "scum slip"...with absolutely no consideration that a Townie could even possibly not check last game either. Because it would be "Inconceivable" that Drealmer could match names with different factions...

I claimed in response to RW when he asked in post 363, but according to him it was the "wrong answer". Guess he doesn't like the truth.

Here's the way I see it, drealmer set this game up on short notice and possibly added a couple of new roles/names but mainly used what he had before. I had not even looked at the previous game drealmer ran, I wanted to play this game with no bias from the previous one. But when oldwino revealed his name and tried to precursor it by saying he knows names and roles are not the same from the last game (I really hate PM discussion in a game) I decided I should actually look at the previous game to see if my name was in that game. Lo and behold it was and everything about my PM was the same as it was in that game and that set off alarms in my head and I thought oldwino slipped up as scum. And the very next post after mine (mine is post 45 and Lift is post 46) Lift says his name and alignment is the same as the previous game as well. After your name and Darko's name were revealed and they were from the previous game too with the same alignment it pretty much confirmed for me that oldwino was probably scum. That's why I asked RW what his name was, it should be interesting to see what he says.

Now when Day 2 started and Hunter revealed what happened during the night and Lift ended up as the NK I felt like his reveal about his role and what he did was genuine and that he had caught Sage as scum since he protected her and Lift had a paranoid ability that should have killed his attacker unless they were somehow protected. Once Sage answered my questions on the issue I decided to give her the benefit of the doubt for the moment and put my vote back on who I felt more strongly about being scum.

My guess right now is a scum team of RW, Sage, and oldwino or possibly RW, CSPVG, and oldwino.

oldwino, I think he slipped up with his name and since then he's been very wishy washy with his posts, trying to hide in plain sight.

Sage, I still find the whole situation with her being protected and Lift ended up being the NK as very suspect and since the day started she's all but disappeared from the game.

RW, He's always been one of the hardest players for me to read. He plays a strong scum game and I always see him as town when he's scum. I had him leaning town up to the point of his Nostradamus moment, and then when he went off with saying I had a town name but was scum (I had not even revealed my name at that point) it struck me that he was probably scum and wanted to keep oldwino safe from his slip up and when he probably revealed a scum name from the previous game for himself he didn't want us to connect the dots.

CSPVG, He has all but disappeared from the game. Makes me wonder if he's trying to avoid being noticed or if real life has interfered. I have him as neutral leaning scum right now.

Gamma, I asked him at the end of Day 1 why he was wanting to be lynched but not have you, Darko, or Lift on the wagon. He never answered, but when I went over roles from the last game again I saw one of them was a vengeful role when lynched and figured that's what he was. Then he started pushing for his lynch again I think oldwino figured it out and was trying to warn his buddies about it with his post 375. Pretty sure he's town.

Hunter, I believe his claim and I don't doubt he's town.

I've stated before that I'm rather sure both Gamma and CSPVG were wolves for the way they let Town eat Town yesterday. My vote is on what I consider the surest of them. The 3rd wolf was undecided between Trent and Oldwino and I had them ~w/w due to the intensity of Trent's push on Oldwino all game. Seemed too much to be distancing to me. Trent's claim told me which one was the final wolf.

Obviously, there could be only 2 wolves, I just don't find that very likely given last game had 4 for 13 players, so the paring down makes 3 in 10 make sense. Sage also could be a wolf, but I don't see it as a good fit with that role and she's been the least scummy of all the unconfirmed. Hunter is confirmed in my eyes because I have a hard time seeing scum making that claim expecting a doctor in play plus no one has counter-claimed him.

I believe we are at Lylo and we will need to lynch 3 times correctly in a row. Hence, I think it prudent that we discuss the whole picture while we have a chance...

I'm still in favor of Gamma first, but I'm also pretty happy with the rest of the scum team.

@trent Given that some names have changed, wouldn't it be easier for RW to claim a new name rather than say that his name was scum in previous game? Oldwino didn't possess this information when he made that reveal but rw did know about it.

Dude enough of the horseshit. I answered everything. You have literally no room to call my play shit when I was the only person in the game trying to get people to talk about reads or play actual mafia and everyone else was fucking obsessed with the claim and you had like 3 posts total. Fuck off. Get over your fucking worthless tunnel. Thoughts about ANYTHING. You haven't given your reads because I've read your posts and I don't have a solid sense of where your reads are and there's no readslist anywhere.

@Trent thanks, that makes me feel a lot better about your slot; I actually felt that your EoD comments yesterday felt kind of town but Darko basically disagreed - there are still things that I'm concerned about and I'd like to talk to Darko more to see how he feels about you but I like where you're at with reads right now. Not actually sure where your vote is but who of your scumreads do you want to lynch today / where do you place them in terms of strength?

I don't think this is good reasoning at all; there were a lot of people who let town each other yesterday and I'd argue that you were one of them; would definitely like you to go into more detail there because I'm not sure how you're taking what feels like fairly vague behavioral reasoning there and getting a hard scumread out of it. Not really sure why you're not looking at any of their other content and just saying that they were letting town go at each other and they're flat scum because of it.

Why do you think Sage has been the least scummy? She hasn't been around / scumhunted / gamesolved / done really anything to push the game anywhere so I'm not sure what you're reading as town there?

There's a limited pool of names to pull from; if he claims a name he doesn't have he'd be counterclaimed or it just wouldn't fit with everyone else's flavor in the event of a massclaim. He doesn't really have a choice but to trueclaim his flavor.

I believe Sage. Don't really think there's much to talk about there. Going down a rabbit hole over this isn't worth it.

Hunter being more active is raising flags with me, as I feel that he's saying a lot more but contributing about as much as he did yesterday.

Gamma seems like a distraction to me at the moment. He's full of it.

Also, Vote: RWarehall. Switch flipped for me today, don't feel he is town at all.

Lastly, I feel like oldwino is also just saying, "Dudes, I got to reassess my reads. Change everything. Start from the ole scratch - back in ten!" Getting a little tired of it.

As I said before I think some names have been added, like yours, but the names that have been recycled I think they are the same as from the previous game that was ran. There have been three people killed and all the names are from the previous game and nothing has changed and I don't think it will for anyone else. All I have to go on is what I known my name is and the names of the people who have died so far and everything is consistent from last game so how else should I interpret someone claiming a scum name from last game when I know for sure 4 names are exactly the same.


@meda my vote is on oldwino right now but I would have no issue lynching anyone from my list of possible scum.

vote count / votecount / vote-count / VC - 2.02
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GammaEmerald - 2 - RWarehall, Hunter65536,
CSPVG - 1 - GammaEmerald,
oldwino - 1 - trentonlf,
RWarehall - 1 - CSPVG,

NOT VOTING - 2 - Sage103082, oldwino,

7 alive takes 4 to LYNCH


if your vote is not on the player you wish it to be, notify me

CSPVG's change seems out of the blue, possible bus?

I think you really need to read the game more carefully when you state how nothing has changed. You continue to push this extremely weak reasoning that Drealmer cannot possibly have changed factions for anybody because he didn't have time to change anything, yet he created new roles and names, split Ruffian away from the Doctor role and assigned it to Amanda Hills, kept Floretta Lynn as a Lover but added a Haunt and Innocence power.

And what makes it worse is you act like this is a good reason to vote against someone. This is what I meant when I called you "pointy-stabby" like I had called Cristi in the past game. You are finding a weak excuses against people and acting like they are good, yet seem to overlook far more serious questions.

It sure looks like I have the scum team nailed down. Gamma is doing everything he can do wriggle out of the lynch. CSPVG finally shows up, explains nothing, and tries to push a mislynch with Trent. And Trent is down to repeating weak arguments.

The problem is when you look at what each of these 3 players have done this game, their actions are not consistent with Town really looking for scum and more consistent with positioning themselves. Gamma tried to take the high road "being absolutely sure" Meda was Town. CSPVG stayed out of the whole debate. Trent "reluctantly" voted Meda before the end. All positioning themselves to not take the heat of the mislynch. Meanwhile, their scum-hunting amounted to Oldwino must be scum because he slipped using a scum name from last game. If you cannot see how weak that argument is, "last game it was scum so must be this game", I can't help you. But all-in-all, you don't see any of the three really questioning each other except Gamma who wants any lynch but his own. And it's not really questioning, just voting to shift the lynch.