modnote:

the Paranoid ability is independent of the BodyGuard ability - they do not conflict or interfere with each other

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vote count / votecount / vote-count / VC - 2.01
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Sage103082 - 1 - trentonlf,
GammaEmerald - 2 - RWarehall, Hunter65536,

NOT VOTING - 4 - Sage103082, CSPVG, GammaEmerald, oldwino

7 alive takes 4 to LYNCH

if your vote is not on the player you wish it to be, notify me

It's also pretty obvious that CSPVG is also scum. When you have such an easy day 1 mislynch like that, the "professional scum" tactic is to sit back, stay mostly out of it, and let Town take the heat for the mislynch. Both Gamma and CSPVG did that.

The real question is which of Oldwino and Trent is the 3rd.

Drealmer had 4 scum in a 13 person game with similar abilities. Pared to 10, I don't see any way we are down to 2.

This may be a time, seeing as we are at Lylo to consider a full claim. Two town (hopefully Sage is) have already claimed. I'm the 3rd which with my role, gives me a pretty good idea what type of role is left. Between Oldwino and Trent, they should go first. That way we have the best chance at hearing any counter-claims.

Between the two it's tough.

Oldwino has been staying out of the limelight, but I don't see it likely that scum are going to "slip" and name drop a name that was scum last game. He could fall into the category with Gamma and CSPVG though, by not taking heat for the mislynch.

Trent has been rather "pointy-stabby" this game. He's been quick to draw conclusions. Quick to claim that irrational things like oldwino name-dropping a name that was scum last game, makes him scum while ignoring that any rational mod is going to switch the game up a bit. The flip-side is he has been rather central to the game Day 1, which is not exactly the "professional scum" play.

That's where I see the game state at the moment.

Um if I was scum doing that I wouldn't be so big-time against the lynch, I'd just let it happen. I know this is self-meta but I feel you described my play poorly.
Also RW I think you might actually be right about 3 scum being possible because d7 does have a bit of a hard time with standard balance. I also think your reads look natural so I kinda want to level with you.
I think I'll actually
Vote CSPVG
Because I feel best about this rn

No, I use it every day actually. I have to pick before night comes. I can change if I decide against some one I picked as long as the mod has not called night in the game. I can also pick the same people again. I asked.

I voted for meda because she would not answer questions after even telling me ask again and she would answer which I did and she did not answer again.
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Lift was Lift. <3
But aside I will sum up what Lift talked about in chat in this post.


He was sad he felt he pushed for his daughters death. The flavor is relevant to the game. What he prefers to drink. pretty much sums it up

Sadly I don't have an actual role, I'm just a Vanilla Townie.

Do you think Gamma is trying to distance himself from CSPVG with his vote?

Why do you keep saying "professional scum", the way I see it scum is simply scum. Same as town is simply town. Now someone can play scum or town very poorly or exceptionally well, but I don't see that making someone a professional or non professional.

With your "pointy-stabby" comment, have you by chance been playing Expedition Vikings lately? That was a funny comment in the game in reference to iron.

For now I am going to believe what Sage is claiming and remove my vote. But I still find the whole situation sketchy.

Unvote Sage

Whenever I post, I always seem to say something to get myself into trouble (scum read).
But, I want to play the game so here goes.

1) I do try to hang back unless no one else is stirring things up and the game is getting boring or we're getting near the end of a day. In my first few games I made good lynch bait so now I hang back unless no one else is stirring things up and town needs things stirred up, like near the end of a day when nothing is happening. Not in this game, so I hang back. Enough was happening in D1 so I sat back a lot. I read, think, and analyze but did not share much, and try to figure out first who is town (I usually find that easier than identifying scum) and see if anyone seems to be obviously scummy. I've been accused of fence-sitting but I view my play style as cautious.

On D1, Lift and Meda seemed really scummy, so those are the two I voted for. Even though I was wrong, as were 5 others in our votes for Meda, she was still a logical and rational choice. No apologies, She seemed the most scummy and someone had to be lynched.

2) I've already given my flavor name. I gave my character/flavor name early in the MS game too. I think that makes theme games more interesting. In the MS game, some players thought flavor names would hint at roles based on the 'good guys and bad guys' in the movie. That was NOT the case, and in this game, I know role names in this game are NAI because of my knowledge of my role (town, of course, and I'm not revealing if and what powers I may have - more on that later).

I was in the MS game. Granted,when this game started I didn't recall nor did I check my character's alignment in the MS game before I revealed my flavor name in this game. After checking, YES my character was scum in the MS game. But even if I had thought to go back and check, and found that my character was scum in that game, I don't think I would have withheld my identity here. There is no way I'd imagine any mod would keep all the roles or powers the same across the two versions of the same game. Not only would that give too much away, it would be boring. Yes, many (4 or 5) of the townies in that game have to be townies in this game because of the number of townies in each game. I imagine drealmer kept one scum character the same in this game, IF he made those kinds of decisions versus just randomly assigning alignments to the characters. If I were modding, I'd do it all randomly. I assumed he would assign roles randomly here, but if he did not, he had to have good reasons and at least swapped as many town and scum roles as he could. Otherwise, it would be too much like the other game.

3) I don't believe in role or power claiming until forced to do so and I think all of the town players lynched/killed so far would have been less likely to have been lynched/killed if they had not claimed as early as they did. I can see a PGO claiming if they are heavily town read, and the end of the day is approaching, so other town players don't protect them at night and get shot, but other than that, I don't think power claiming is a good town tactic. It's especially a bad town tactic now, because a one-for-one trade is probably no longer in town's favor.

I'm still hesitant to state all of my leanings because I still think that could help scum. I already said I lean heaviest scum toward Gamma, I have pretty confident town and scum reads for everyone else at this point, but I don't want scum to know those yet. I might reveal those before the end of D2 but that depends on how things unfold.

I am NOT ready to vote yet, even though Gamma is my strongest scum read. I don't see any reason to do that yet and take Gamma to L1 because if I am wrong, if several of us are wrong, scum could hammer and probably win the game. Since I am not 100% sure Gamma is scum and we have plenty of time, I am waiting.. The Day is young.

I'm not really a Pink Floyd fan but I really want to post a link to their song Comfortably Numb just for the line "hello hello is there anybody out there"

I have a busy day ahead of me so not sure how active I'll be until this evening, although at this point it looks like activity is low all around :-(

I still think our best chance for scum is oldwino

Vote oldwino

CSPVG - what are your thoughts?

It's time for my Nostradamus moment. I know the 3rd scum now.

One thing that has been bothering me about Trent all game is his insistence that roles haven't changed at all and that Drealmer didn't change them. You know why that is? I bet you that it's because Trent has a Town name from last game, but is scum this one and he is trying to use his name from last game for a free pass when necessary. Let's add to this his list of targets today at LyLo. First Sage and now Oldwino. If I'm right about the Gamma, CSPVG, Trent scum team, then these are the two seemingly easiest lynches on the board. He's trying desperately to shift the lynch away from his compatriots. He's trying to get one of us townies to misvote, so that his team can pile on for the win.

By the way, Trent's role reveal was the wrong answer...I believe him when he says he's Vanilla but he isn't a Townie.

I've been trying to make sense of Trent's suspicions of me, from pretty much near the beginning of the game in RVS, and now maybe I understand. I'm not ready to vote yet (have I said that enough, sorry?) but I'd probably jump on a Trent wagon if one got going. Some OMGUS for sure, but also an increasing scum lean. Enough to help take him to L1 and see what else, if anything, he'll claim. I don't buy the VT claim, seemed pointless so why bother? VScum, hmmmm. Quite possible.

Gamma is more scummy to me than CSPVG right now although if there are three scum, CSPVG is in the running.
I believe Hunter's doc claim and Sage's claim, although not sure what to call it. Neighborizing two others each night, with the option of keeping them the same or switching to others each night? Night visitorizing? Maybe just plain drinking buddies.
Guess by POE my read list is becoming kind of apparent.

Hey CSPVG and oldwino why don't you put your money where your mouths are and vote me

Exactly why is me being a Vanilla Townie the wrong answer? Should I have lied and said I had a role? We are in a possible Lylo situation and the last thing I need to be doing is lying so I hope your answer is not that I should have lied.

So tell me RW do you have a scum name from last game? My name is Ed "McNugget" Nugent, what's yours?

Could this be a vengeful scum - or maybe vengeful town if we are wrong about his alignment? If town, however, isn't a vengeful more likely to kill another townie (like Meda killed Dark kind of by mistake) than kill scum?

What other role would try to get lynched? Or is Gamma just trying to scare people away from voting him?