j0ekerr: First, let it be known that I have no interest whatsoever in Hatred, I don't know about it, don't care about it and don't give a damn where it ends up being sold.

That being said whenever someone uses the "Gabe Newell checked it" argument that's an instant red card, the argument is over and lost.

Back to the bench with you!

monkeydelarge: Nope. We are still talking about apples and oranges here. And of course, GOG is not a public service but that doesn't mean they have zero responsibility. And "Shops don't sell things they don't want to sell." is the way it is but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. And it doesn't mean, they should have the right to act as the gatekeepers of expression.

SirPrimalform: They're not the gatekeepers of expression! There are plenty of other ways for the developers to distribute the game and "express themselves". And yes, you are free to disagree with GOG's decision. They aren't limiting the developers' freedom of expression in any way though. You need to understand what censorship actually is.

monkeydelarge: GOG is totally limiting the developer's freedom of expression. Because GOG rejected the game, a lot of people aren't buying this game. Therefore, GOG has prevented a lot of people from playing this game. Because there are a lot of people who are only interested in GOGs. These people simply refuse to install Steam, Desura, Origin etc.

SirPrimalform: They're not the gatekeepers of expression! There are plenty of other ways for the developers to distribute the game and "express themselves". And yes, you are free to disagree with GOG's decision. They aren't limiting the developers' freedom of expression in any way though. You need to understand what censorship actually is.

Starmaker: Now, GOG's decision is actually obvious.

Suppose you are contracted to paint a fence in a neighborhood, and you have green and blue paint. You think blue looks better, but then you get a call, "Look, if you paint the fence blue, some local racists wil be immensely happy. Just saiyan."
Sure enough, you take your brushes and buckets to the fence, and there's a crowd of people already chanting, "WHITE SKIN, BLUE FENCE! NO BLACKS, NO MUSLIMS! EURO HERALDRY ONLY! KEEP THE BLOOD PURE! WHITE SKIN, BLUE FENCE!"
You turn around, and whoa, there are some counterprotesters: "YES TO PEACE! YES TO UNITY! YES TO GREEN! GREEN LIKE GRASS! GREEN LIKE LEAVES! GREEN LIKE JULY! GREEN LIKE THE FUTURE!"
You say, "Hey folks, you seem sensible. Blue honestly looks better here, and I want to be done wth this shit and go home. Look, it's just paint, paint can't be racist!"
"Maybe it coudn't, yesterday," they say. "But now, if you paint it blue, it will look like you gave in to the racists. So it's either you paint the fence green, or we paint you blue."
"Oh screw it," you say, paint the fence green, get paid and go home.

(Then it turns out the whole mess was instigated by the maker of paint to boost demand.)

monkeydelarge: GOG is totally limiting the developer's freedom of expression. Because GOG rejected the game, a lot of people aren't buying this game. Therefore, GOG has prevented a lot of people from playing this game. Because there are a lot of people who are only interested in GOGs. These people simply refuse to install Steam, Desura, Origin etc.

vole_echo: Its strange to see GOG not want to sell this one in particular.

RWarehall: No, YOU need to understand what censorship actually is. IF GoG rejected the game based on its moral content, then this would, in fact, be a case of censorship at work. The same as when school libraries refuse to carry a particular book based on its content. The same as an art museum refusing to carry or removing a piece of nude art because it is deemed potentially offensive. It doesn't matter if other school libraries carry the book or other museums are willing to carry it. In both cases those organizations have engaged in censorship.

SirPrimalform: Nope.

GOG is a shop. Not selling something you don't want to sell, whatever the reason, is not censorship.

SirPrimalform: Nope.

GOG is a shop. Not selling something you don't want to sell, whatever the reason, is not censorship.

SirPrimalform: Nope.

GOG is a shop. Not selling something you don't want to sell, whatever the reason, is not censorship.

OneFiercePuppy: No. It's really not strange at all for GOG not to sell a game. There are *way* more games that GOG does not sell then there are games that GOG does sell.

This is just a curious - though not unheard of - case of a few rabid supporters of a game whipping up a confrontation. If GOG doesn't sell a game, it shouldn't be a surprise - even if you really like the game and wish it were here. Also, since we don't have perfect information (and can't believe the hyperbolic nonsense the game creators are spewing since let's face it, people whose main argument in favor of their game is "haters gonna hate" aren't really doing due diligence, journalistically), it's not helpful to assume anything about cause.

This is just another game that isn't sold on GOG. Not a big deal.

vole_echo: Is there any chance of GOG changing their decision at some point? I just like to get my games from GOG instead of Steam when its possible. They already sell highly controversial game slike Harvester, Phantasmagoria and Outlast. Its strange to see GOG not want to sell this one in particular.