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Posted June 07, 2017
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Post edited September 06, 2021 by bit.rot
Posted June 07, 2017
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burkjon: Yes, I said installed games. That happens immediately upon installation of any game.
I know you did. Suffice it to say that the reliability of Steam's offline mode is notoriously unreliable -- even if you jump through all the hoops that Steam makes you jump through.
Posted June 07, 2017
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Post edited September 06, 2021 by bit.rot
Posted June 07, 2017
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burkjon: I can see you're trying to paint it as this awful mess of a feature, but my process has been literally install game (or restore from archival backup, a feature Galaxy needs big time) and then go offline. Sometimes I do it in the middle of nowhere on a spotty cellular connection. I've never had it fail once. It's unfortunate if others have, maybe there were teething problems in the beginning.
Let's cut through the BS. Steam is not a once-and-you're-done authentication system. Period.

And let's get something else straight: people who only have concern about problems they've experienced personally are selfish and shallow-minded.

Good day.
Posted June 08, 2017
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Post edited September 06, 2021 by bit.rot
Posted June 08, 2017
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burkjon: Also isn't it strange how nobody here bats an eyelash to Windows having DRM for the last 16 years? You know, the DRM'd OS you rely on for all your DRM-free games to run?
Two points, if it came to that that you can't activate your Windows anymore for some reason:

1. Cracking Windows needs only one crack (or one cracked version of Windows). 2000 DRM games in your library need 2000 cracks. Quite a difference in effort, to hunt them down online.

2. Many (most?) GOG Windows games apparently run fine in e.g. Linux (Wine), which doesn't have any DRM. So there already are options to running Windows games, outside Windows.
Post edited June 08, 2017 by timppu
Posted June 08, 2017
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burkjon: Should have clarified that of course you could find a way to run them, but you're not going to want to bother. I doubt you dig out your boxed copies today if you transitioned to a digital installer, for example. The pure frustration of getting those old copies to work. It's going to be that again.
Depends what kind of emulation etc. we have in use at that point. I have no issues running some 25 years old DOS games on DOSBox, running them now is actually even easier than back then (no need to tinker with autoexec.bat or config.sys, or care about sound card IRQs etc.).

For instance, my original installations of Wing Commander 2, Red Baron and 4D Sports: Driving have survived fine 25 years to this day, moving from older hard drives to newer ones, whenever I've migrated to a newer PC. I still have even the original save games for those games on those installations, and the tracks and recordings I made myself for 4D Sports Driving back then.

I feel no frustration whatsoever trying to get those ancient installations to work, they work fine, easy to run them. Now, on the other hand, if they had some kind of online DRM back then, they most probably wouldn't work today. But as they are DRM-free (yes 4D Sports Driving is cracked, removed the manual keyword check for easier use), they do, as long as I can provide some kind of running environment for them (that being DOSBox).


Also, you make the wrong assumption that all the GOG games we have today, will be available also in the future (in some more convenient form). I don't think that will be the case, most probably for most of those games, your options are either to try to get the GOG version (or the original retail version) to work on your modern computer, or not play them at all, as your new subscription model store service doesn't offer those same games.

I still have heaps of older retail games that are not on GOG (nor on Steam), and many will never be. Like the aforementioned 4D Sports: Driving, or The Battle for the Middle-Earth 1-2 (they most probably will never be re-released due to licensing LOTR issues), and so on. So if I want to play them, yep, trying to get the original retail version to work is pretty much the only way to enjoy them now, or 25 years from now.

Here are some 4D Sports: Driving recordings of me playing the game sometime in the early 90s, which I recorded sometime ago to Youtube using DOSBox, on tracks I made myself with the editor back then. Yep, all those have survived to this day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXUKcqZWNkw
Posted June 08, 2017
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Trilarion: If however you own Witcher already on Steam, there is typically no need to buy them again. You can though. Some people do that.
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richlind33: As GOG becomes more and more like Steam, that becomes more and more pointless.
If you ask me it was always quite pointless. If you just want to throw money at some company, buy their shares instead. At least you have the hope that someday they still could be worth something,.
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burkjon: I invite you to try it yourself. With 100 games even. Works fine.

Take care.
I have only two games on Steam and it didn't work. Experiences can be so different. Probably one should do a bit more statistics. For example, I switched a game to offline mode and after on average one week it would refuse to start unless you go online and then the cycle would repeat. That was not more than two years ago. Maybe they improved, but I actually prefer GOG.
Post edited June 08, 2017 by Trilarion
Posted June 08, 2017
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shadow1980jpv: GOG is future! STEAM and Denuvo are bad for PC players in long run!
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ShadowAngel.207: And why is Steam bad?
I've been using Steam since it started, have 893 games there and the only two issues i ran into were the song deletion on the old GTA games but that wasn't Valve's fault but rather the licensing issues Rockstar faced and that sometimes the servers are down, get ddos'd or just fuck up.
Other then that? I can play all my games just fine all the time, offline mode works just fine. It's actually no different to gog, except that gog is breaking german laws which is good for me (got an uncut Saints Row 2 and 3 via connect)

As i said in another topic, Steam, the software itself is awesome with all the community functions, groups, proper forums, workshop and it starts up faster than gog galaxy which takes a hideously long time before i even see my library. Steam takes 15 seconds with 300+ games installed across 2 hard drives, gog takes nearly 2 minutes with about 100 games installed on one hard drive.

gog is actually holding themself back by being so picky about niche games, about indie developers and all that. After they abandoned their niche of focusing on classic games, especially from the dos era i thought they would get into direct competition with Valve but they don't. Steam has a monopoly but that is simply because gog is too lazy and disorganized (and EA with Origin act like Lemmings, not even knowing what the hell they're doing)

I agree about Denuvo, it's like Starforce all over again.
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burkjon: You can play them on your current computer and a few computers after that, at least (basically the same as Steam). The future holds no guarantee what platform will rise to prevalence, could be Windows 10 S on ARM, which in that case better hope for good emulation solutions. Games are not like music and movie files. Your GOG library is also a ticking clock; keep them old computers alive as long as you can.
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ShadowAngel.207: Ever heard of emulators and virtual machines? Development is ongoing, just as Dosbox is being used for old dos games and there are functioning emulators for consoles up to around the Wii, there will be solutions in the future to be able to run games on modern hardware. It might not always be the perfect solution but it's adequate (otherwise gog, who still distribute the old games with a hideously outdated vanila dosbox instead of using something modern like snv daum would be out of business)

I actually see more of a problem with music because cd players are dying, modern cd players are cheaply made to the point where some don't even can put de-emphasis on old cd's that have pre-emphasis on them, while on the other hand most old games can be made to run on a modern windows pc
How do i should start!
-First i don´t like STEAM advertising policy!
-I don´t want STEAM to inform me that i need to be connect to the internet, when i have loaded windows on my computer. That´s why i use offline mode so much.
-STEAM refund policy is bad!
-STEAM support unfriendly!
--Sometimes i worry, what kind of information STEAM client sends from my computer to Valve servers.
-I really don´t care STEAM community Features!
-Here are always chance that STEAM account become hacked!
-Game downloading speed is not stable, Sometimes speed too slow.

Long time ago in 2004, I bought 2 boxed PC games. When i started installing those, i got information window that i have to install STEAM before i can install the games. I did what asked. What happens next!! After installing STEAM, STEAM started downloading and installing games from internet not from CD. Here wasn´t any game files in CD, here was just STEAM client data!. I feeled that I was cheated. It took 8-9 hours per game to download in my computer hard drive. I was so piss of that time.

I rarely use emulators or virtual machines!
I know too much about windows10 DRM or spyware protocols and i want keep sure that those are shutdown.

Someone asshole tried to hack my Battle.net account 2 years ago, when I actively played Diablo 3. My Battle.net account was shutdown for few months. Blizzard people manage to save my account and I thanked they about it. I asked myself, why my Battle.net account become hacking attempt, nobody knows.
Posted June 08, 2017
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GoG are liars and scum. Steam is less scummy.
Posted June 08, 2017
I consider partial migration to GOG from Steam, thanks to GOG Connect it will be possible at low cost.
Posted June 08, 2017
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timppu: 2. Many (most?) GOG Windows games apparently run fine in e.g. Linux (Wine), which doesn't have any DRM. So there already are options to running Windows games, outside Windows.
Lol but nobody uses Linux. It has what? a 2% marketshare on Desktop computers? Steam shows that not even 1% of all the people using Steam use Linux and yet that forgettable minority acts and cries as if they are millions.

And yes the point stands: Idiots here act as if DRM comes straight from hell, makes games unplayable and needs to be burned, yet they are all using Windows and especially Windows 10 is full of spyware. I like the hypocrisy that gets displayed here every day :)
Posted June 08, 2017
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timppu: 2. Many (most?) GOG Windows games apparently run fine in e.g. Linux (Wine), which doesn't have any DRM. So there already are options to running Windows games, outside Windows.
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ShadowAngel.207: Lol but nobody uses Linux. It has what? a 2% marketshare on Desktop computers? Steam shows that not even 1% of all the people using Steam use Linux and yet that forgettable minority acts and cries as if they are millions.

And yes the point stands: Idiots here act as if DRM comes straight from hell, makes games unplayable and needs to be burned, yet they are all using Windows and especially Windows 10 is full of spyware. I like the hypocrisy that gets displayed here every day :)
And about 2% of all computer users actually know how to use one. Quite a coincidence, eh? lol
Posted June 08, 2017
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timppu: 2. Many (most?) GOG Windows games apparently run fine in e.g. Linux (Wine), which doesn't have any DRM. So there already are options to running Windows games, outside Windows.
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ShadowAngel.207: Lol but nobody uses Linux. It has what? a 2% marketshare on Desktop computers? Steam shows that not even 1% of all the people using Steam use Linux and yet that forgettable minority acts and cries as if they are millions.

And yes the point stands: Idiots here act as if DRM comes straight from hell, makes games unplayable and needs to be burned, yet they are all using Windows and especially Windows 10 is full of spyware. I like the hypocrisy that gets displayed here every day :)
Current Linux market share is 1.99%, so you were very close.
WinXP has just in the past few weeks been surpassed by Win8.1 and has still 5.66% market share on the fourth place, yet Linux and Mac get more support around here btw.

Source:
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

And yes, I am one of those who also care about DRM in the operating system and therefore switched to Linux at the end of WinXP support (still got an offline WinXP partition for certain games though), although most stuff runs just fine natively or with WINE.
Post edited June 08, 2017 by Klumpen0815
Posted June 08, 2017
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shadow1980jpv: How do i should start!
-First i don´t like STEAM advertising policy!
What advertising policy?
-STEAM refund policy is bad!
What do you consider bad about it and do you consider GOG's as a better return policy and why?
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