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shadow1980jpv: How do i should start!
-First i don´t like STEAM advertising policy!
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Pheace: What advertising policy?

-STEAM refund policy is bad!
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Pheace: What do you consider bad about it and do you consider GOG's as a better return policy and why?
Long time ago, Steam browser showed some advertise pop-ops. They was annoying, so i stopped using steam browser and i blamed Steam about annoying ads. Later i figured that i had adware on my computer, which origin i wondered. But I thought, that it has something to do with STEAM.

Maybe "policy" was wrong word to be used. It took sometime before i started to use browser again but i decided to be careful to using it.

I really don´t want talk about refund policy with you. Talking about this subject will not lead anywhere.

I think i have participated enough this topic!
Comparing GOG and Steam I'm quite satisfied with both, but GOG has the edge with their DRM free games. It's just that easy experience that makes GOG so attractive. Putting a game in the shopping cart, paying, downloading, installing (without anyone asking you about stupid clients or similar stuff) and forgetting that GOG ever existed. That is priceless.

Hopefully GOG stays that way.
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HunchBluntley: I don't know if they yet have a process for auto-generating standalone installers
You don't need to know that you know. Setting up such a tool chain would be business practice (goes normally like: do what is most cheap) before even building a web site to sell the suckers. Do you think they have monkeys with pressing on the "build" button of the msi creation tool all day?
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HunchBluntley: but the fact that GOG tests most updates
Again, which makes that how relevant for the difference in releasing offline installers compared to the content in galaxy?
The testing process is also done for the stuff they release on Galaxy. And if it was not, there also is no reason to do that for the offline installers as that would make for a support nightmare to have the same customer with two different versions of the software.
You can tell me all you want and I'll deconstruct every reason for the offline installers to be delayed compared to the galaxy version as lies using logic.
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Klumpen0815: Current Linux market share is ..
That's always bullshit. One default feature of Linux is precisely to not register itself. If someone thinks otherwise (cough fixubuntu.com cough) his product will be promptly replaced. So _nobody_ knows. Though at least from my experience at work nearly everybody who is experienced in IT and is allowed to make his own choice uses it.
If someone really wanted to know how the "game market share" of Linux compared to Windows would be however, he, as a big game producer, should release his online game Platform-Wide. So far I've never seen that. Would feel nice to play e.g. Overwatch on Linux though. It's real hen-eggy still. Will be better in time after a while prerequisiting big companies actually have moxie to try something out. So never :-)
Post edited June 11, 2017 by AlienMind
GOG rocks.

I use it because :

1/ DRM-free games
2/ Games can be played without any stupid client
3/ Games can be downloaded without client
4/ Europa

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1/ No further comments are needed, I believe.

2/ Steam client needs to be updated every other day. It's slow, clogged up with features that I don't use or need, and takes a significant amount of diskspace that needs to be defragged (yes, I know, I am a freak sometimes). The ONE featurethat I miss from Steam is the automated driver update, but since I am tech-savvy enough to do it on my own, I don't really care.

3/ Another big one to me. The day that GOG forces me to use a client to play my games I'll probably look elsewhere for a replacement.

4/ 1€ != 1$. Plus, in these Trump-ian times that we live in, I don't mind supporting a European company instead of an American one. I am also seriously considering moving from PayPal to something else (why not GOG wallet). Make America great again or whatever, but not at my or the rest of the world's expense, thank you.
Post edited June 11, 2017 by nissa
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nissa: 4/ 1€ != 1$. Plus, in these Trump-ian times that we live in, I don't mind supporting a European company instead of an American one.
(It may be worth repeating : Please don't take trump as the face of usa, which voted predominantly against him, especially in the educated/urban categories. Your mindset may end up punishing for him the very people who oppose him. Nation-level thinking is never a very fair reflex, in practice.)
Hoo boy so much misinformation spreading around about Steam

Just to cover a few things

1. Legally you dont "own" your game any more on GOG than on steam, if you actually read the terms of service of said games which gave you a license of usage, not ownership per se. Two completely different things.

2. Bloatware? Ive been constantly monitoring my systems usage lately and Steam has a laughably small ressource usage, hell my AV is more resource intensive.

3. Steam not caring about users: lets just keep in mind how many people think that just because Valve doesnt instantly gives a reply to theur feedbacks in their mind its equal with not caring. Also lets just keep in mind steam has 100 plus millions total registered users

4. old games on steam not always working properly: GOG is explicitly setup in a way to fix legacy titles and alikes, Valve isnt.
Then again in 95 percent of cases a few easy tweaks can make these games run just fine..if most people would take that few seconds of their life.
I've very new to GOG, so I might be missing a few things but my options are this.

Steam,
+Far more games, many of them great, like Valve's games or the Max Payne games, among others.
+Very easy to get games for cheap, either by sales or getting keys from other sites
+Some of the features of Steam are great, like having guides a few clicks away or the Workshop for easy browsing of mods. or custom tagging to find games that you might like.
+Cloud saves.
+Muh achievements make you feel like a winner for playing games all day.
-DRM
-Less control over installs.
-Always on-line needed in most cases.
-A case-to case basis, but some games they sell are very broken, some to the point of being unplayable./

GOG
+Some games Steam doesn't have, like the Dungeon Keeper games.
+Can just download the game without needing a client
+Snazzy extras like backgrounds and manuals.
+Free games
+Far better review system then Steam. Plenty of games are more then "It's good" or "It's bad"
+Better refunds.
-Far less games then Steam.
-Harder to find game codes for a discount.
Be like me and use whatever instead of being a fanboy and stick to one platform.

Refusing to play one game due to DRM is beyond childish, is no different from refusing to enter a club just because they have a bodyguard at the door.

I play on Playstation, Xbox, PC, I have accounts on Origin, GoG, Steam, uPlay, in the end I get to play whatever I want and don't limit myself to fanboy views.

Not to mention I get the best deals, by buying the games where it's sold cheapest (that tends to be mostly Steam). This guys are so obsessed with DRM, they forgot what's really important, that is enjoying the games themselves!
Post edited June 12, 2017 by Kobi_Blade
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Kobi_Blade: Be like me and user whatever instead of being a fanboy and stick to one platform.

Refusing to play one game due to DRM is beyond childish, is no different from refusing to enter a club just because they have a bodyguard at the door.

I play on Playstation, Xbox, PC, I have accounts on Origin, GoG, Steam, uPlay, in the end I get to play whatever I want and don't limit myself to fanboy views.

Not to mention I get the best deals, by buying the games where it's sold cheapest (that tends to be mostly Steam). This guys are so obsessed with DRM, they forgot what's really important, that is enjoying the games themselves!
You mean you actually *play* the games you buy?

How droll. o.O
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shadow1980jpv: Long time ago, Steam browser showed some advertise pop-ops. They was annoying, so i stopped using steam browser and i blamed Steam about annoying ads. Later i figured that i had adware on my computer, which origin i wondered. But I thought, that it has something to do with STEAM.
There has been no advertising on Steam other than game/dlc highlights when starting the browser and/or ending a game, something which has always been completely optional and could be turned off in the menu's by disabling one simple setting.

If you had *real* advertising, not related to Steam, then you had spy/adware on your computer, likely infecting the browser.
I really don´t want talk about refund policy with you. Talking about this subject will not lead anywhere.

I think i have participated enough this topic!
Then why did you bring it up? But yeah, that's a hard argument to make a case for anyway so not surprised.
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Kobi_Blade: Refusing to play one game due to DRM is beyond childish, is no different from refusing to enter a club just because they have a bodyguard at the door.
Imagine going to a club with a friend as a treat, you buy two tickets and go in. But the Bouncer stops your friend.
You point to the ticket, explain they are two different ticket, that you've paid for two separate items. The bouncer says he can't come in because its your name on the ticket.

Just because you fit nicely into the narrow framework that Steams DRM allows doesn't mean its not an issue for others. Steams DRM is a serious issue for me and my Family. I buy 100 games play 1 then I expect the other 99 games to be freely available for the rest of my family to play. Steam does not allow that, and no SFS doesn't allow it either.
GOG vs STEAM?

You mean, Great vs Good?

Dunno about you guys but I left Steam mainly due to how great GOG is. Honesly, I'm actually shocked that Steam is still at the front of most popular DRM services. Maybe it's a bias towards old Gabe, but who knows.

Steam Refunds: 2 Hours or 2 bad
GOG Refunds: 30 Days my friend

Steam DRM Requirement: MUST sign in
GOG DRM Requirement: Up to you :)

Steam Prices: Expensive );
GOG Prices: Cheaper <3

Steam Game Voting: Greenlight (a horrible mistake)
GOG Game Voting: Community Wishlist (a way better decision)
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Kobi_Blade: ... Refusing to play one game due to DRM is beyond childish, is no different from refusing to enter a club just because they have a bodyguard at the door. ...
This is a really bad analogy but even more it's also a really bad statement. Of course DRM lowers the values because it restricts what you can do and if some people don't want this, they are free to not use it, and this is okay. It's not like there aren't alternatives to games with DRM. Maybe it's more childish to complain about it.
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bigblueogre: Steam Refunds: 2 Hours or 2 bad
GOG Refunds: 30 Days my friend
Very misleading. Steam's is 2 hours of running the game, 2 weeks after purchase. So comparing that it's 14 days.

Besides that:
Steam : No questions asked within the refund limit
GOG : No questions asked as long as you haven't downloaded the game. Once you *have* downloaded the game (not even played) your 'no questions asked' refund disappears and your only way to get a refund at that point is if the game is buggy/broken and even then you'll need to work with support to try and fix it before they'll consider a refund.

If anything, I'd argue Origin has one of the best refund policies (Great game guarantee), although it sadly mostly only applies to games they own themselves.
Post edited June 12, 2017 by Pheace
Steam's community is toxic.
I like GoG's community. Atleast there is no childish trolls and ignorant persons..
Post edited June 12, 2017 by cemacar