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midrand: For all the moral outrages on these forums about Chinese censorships, DRM issues and other freedom of speech like issues it is amazing to see how more or less united the front against nudity and sex is here with our SJWs righteously downvoting each adult title through reviews.

Do you really think that seeing somebody's entrails and skull shot with blood spilling everywhere - or playing survival horror / Alan Wake sequel - is somehow better for child / vulnerable mental health than seeing boobs and naked bodies? Really? Why oppose sexually explicit content - by all means filter it (as is required by law anyway) - but let the user vote with his money. Free market sorts this out very quickly.

Any child with unblocked internet access can obtain as much or as little porn as he or she wants anyway - GOG or no GOG. It is up to the said hypothetical child's parents to exercise their duty and limit / educate / guide him accordingly in his life choices and experiences.
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itchy01ca01: Im an SJW. I WANT more nudity and sex in our entertainment, and most of the leftist people I know do. Stripping and freeing the body is the ultimate form of female empowerment. This most certainly isn't a left vs right thing because both are just as bad as the other.
You aren't the current textbook version of a SJW then as currently the ones in the entertainment business and shill SJWS have been against nudity and sex for afew years now ya I ain't kidding a load of what I assume is a new wave of self proclaimed SJWS are for clothing up and desexaulizing woman .. That or they are advocating for it as a way to try pissing off as I have seen this current crop say''piss off the right people'' Among other nonsense like that going on with self proclaimed SJWS .. it in facts gives off the ''those who fight monsters best take care least they become a monster'' scenario
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DetouR6734: That post makes no sense to me tbh.

My previous replies state my position on it.
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BanditKeith2: Here then try this.. Say a store that sells just local products and some group don't like that started selling a specific persons goods all because they don't like the person.. So they start telling everyone they won't shop till the place stop selling that persons goods .. which in turn gets a reasonable remark of''heres some other stores selling all local products and none from that person you all dislike go their instead;'' As people going on about porn games and hating them here .. Even refusing to shop here till they iether are removed or a filiter.. if not stop getting here all together is basically the same situation.. If a person is unhappy with a stores products when nothing is wrong with the products they should iether go elsewhere or be reasonable..

Where as the''don't use the interent'' remark doesn't hold reasonable logic now.. but it used to in its early days when most things on the net could be gotten easily from stores or via the phone .. now though thats no longer the case
I don't hate porn (hell i view it), though i find peoples taste in some of it rather weird, especially in games.

But at the end of the day as with Youtube and it's ads, keep throwing it in my face and i will just stop using it altogether.

If a website innundated me with popups, i'd just not go there, and if i had been a frequent user i'd advocate for it to be sorted or i would just stop going.

Same with Twitch, which i use even less than i did before, i don't even bother looking due to the 30+ second add you get.

If the store page gets innundated with porn, i will just stop looking, and that isn't a good thing for GOG, add a genre like "Adult" and put these games behind it, where all you need to do is select it on the left hand side in the store to view them, it's as simple as that.

I did the same with Steam until i was able to filter it all out, but it was rather too late as i'd jumped ship for most of my games to GOG... i'll do the same again if need be, but i'd rather not.

It's not like i'm asking to be rid, i'm so far from an SJW it's laughable i'd be accused of such, but then you folks take after Steam forum users in that regard, but still it's tiring to see, having to gloss over it to look for an actual game.

Some porn movies have a whole story around them, it doesn't mean i'd want them popping up on streaming apps homepage.

At the end of the day all i want is it to be out of sight, click a tag and get too see it all, i have a choice whether to peruse it or not, it's pretty simple, and tbf there are a bunch of valid reasons why it should be done.
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BanditKeith2: Here then try this.. Say a store that sells just local products and some group don't like that started selling a specific persons goods all because they don't like the person.. So they start telling everyone they won't shop till the place stop selling that persons goods .. which in turn gets a reasonable remark of''heres some other stores selling all local products and none from that person you all dislike go their instead;'' As people going on about porn games and hating them here .. Even refusing to shop here till they iether are removed or a filiter.. if not stop getting here all together is basically the same situation.. If a person is unhappy with a stores products when nothing is wrong with the products they should iether go elsewhere or be reasonable..

Where as the''don't use the interent'' remark doesn't hold reasonable logic now.. but it used to in its early days when most things on the net could be gotten easily from stores or via the phone .. now though thats no longer the case
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DetouR6734: I don't hate porn, though i find peoples taste in some of it rather weird, especially in games.

But at the end of the day as with Youtube and it's ads, keep throwing it in my face and i will just stop using it altogether.

If a website innundated me with popups, i'd just not go there, and if i had been a frequent user i'd advocate for it to be sorted or i would just stop going.

Same with Twitch, which i use even less than i did before, i don't even bother looking due to the 30+ second add you get.

If the store page gets innundated with porn, i will just stop looking, and that isn't a good thing for GOG, add a genre like "Adult" and put these games behind it, where all you need to do is select it on the left hand side in the store to view them, it's as simple as that.

I did the same with Steam until i was able to filter it all out, but it was rather too late as i'd jumped ship for most of my games to GOG... i'll do the same again if need be, but i'd rather not.

It's not like i'm asking to be rid, i'm so far from an SJW it's laughable i'd be accused of such, but then you folks take after Steam forum users in that regard, but still it's tiring to see, having to gloss over it to look for an actual game.

Some porn movies have a whole story around them, it doesn't mean i'd want them popping up on streaming apps homepage.

At the end of the day all i want is it to be out of sight, click a tag and get too see it all, i have a choice whether to peruse it or not, it's pretty simple, and tbf there are a bunch of valid reasons why it should be done.
Eh you don't nor ever did come off as a SJW to me.. Purtian to a degree maybe .. but thats a maybe as you haven't went puritan nuts as far as I can tell.. so till you have its a maybe at worst to me.. though for me I will say its easy for me to ignore porn games its a whole different story when it comes to political based games like ''I am the president'' or other stuff like that game so for me political games of that level being a regular would get me to jump ship of GOG and do business elsewhere.. just saying for the record


edited in not trying to get political with what I said in bringing that up but rather more so to say where as for some people its one still debated topic for me and others its a topic that seems forever will be a debated and hot topic of sorts
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itchy01ca01: Im an SJW. I WANT more nudity and sex in our entertainment, and most of the leftist people I know do. Stripping and freeing the body is the ultimate form of female empowerment. This most certainly isn't a left vs right thing because both are just as bad as the other.
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BanditKeith2: You aren't the current textbook version of a SJW then as currently the ones in the entertainment business and shill SJWS have been against nudity and sex for afew years now ya I ain't kidding a load of what I assume is a new wave of self proclaimed SJWS are for clothing up and desexaulizing woman .. That are they are advocating for it as a way to try pissing off as I have seen this current crop say''piss off the right people'' Among other nonsense like that going on with self proclaimed SJWS .. it in facts gives off the ''those who fight monsters best take care least they become a monster'' scenario
That's the issue with applying labels to everybody. Not every right-wing person believes Trump to be a living God from the Bible. Not every Left-wing person is for total gun control. Labels are created by mass-media and government to point at something and easily create an enemy.
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BanditKeith2: You aren't the current textbook version of a SJW then as currently the ones in the entertainment business and shill SJWS have been against nudity and sex for afew years now ya I ain't kidding a load of what I assume is a new wave of self proclaimed SJWS are for clothing up and desexaulizing woman .. That are they are advocating for it as a way to try pissing off as I have seen this current crop say''piss off the right people'' Among other nonsense like that going on with self proclaimed SJWS .. it in facts gives off the ''those who fight monsters best take care least they become a monster'' scenario
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itchy01ca01: That's the issue with applying labels to everybody. Not every right-wing person believes Trump to be a living God from the Bible. Not every Left-wing person is for total gun control. Labels are created by mass-media and government to point at something and easily create an enemy.
Fair and true but I admit how I use labels is usually the most well agreed upon version of something.. for example in the SJW case I go with the most well agreed upon examples that are media visible or social media visible the most that being the nutcase examples that scream about crap in a seemingly unhinged laughing stotck matter that makes them and others self procliaming as SJWs look worse then what they claim to fight

.. Game wise and book wise it is more cut and dry yet still tricky for example shooters have subgenres do to the different variants that has happened over the years and now we even have what some unofficially call''boomer shooters '' a slang term to refer to shooters like the OG Doom games or the OG Shadow warrior, Duke Nukem or the like despite they used to be more often referred to hallway or corridor shooters or ''engine shooters'' for the traits they all once shared
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bombardier: And are you sure that people will be able to handle the content?

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Childhood friend of mine served couple of years of prison term in a similar scenario, and even after his release he wasn't able to understand what the problem was. And he was in his early 20s, so by all our definitions totally capable of handling such themes.
I don't mean to sound callous but I'm not sure what your anecdotal evidence is supposed to "prove," though I am genuinely sorry to hear that about your friend's situation. That said, you inadvertently reminded me of additional examples of games here where the player is forced to act in what are imo unethical ways to progress...all the prison management/dungeon lord simulators (people are generally not ready for this conversation of questioning punishment at a conceptual level, but too bad).

Additional examples of "bad influence" type games may include various capitalistic and tycoon games such as say Pizza Connection, which at face value would seem innocent enough to most folks but which include themes/behavior that does not necessarily match with equitable treatment of others. As I've said though, at the end of the day, these games are fictional. Another point: if I recall correctly, the board game Monopoly was originally designed as a message to NOT behave in the way everyone does when they play.

Incidentally, one could also make the argument that people "acting out their urges" in aggressive type games is a better, healthier, morally acceptable alternative to them behaving that way in real life.

I noticed you left out of your earlier criticisms some of the military games on this site. Why is that? (rhetorical question, taking a break from this convo for a while). Surely you do not believe all wars are fought in self defense.
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bombardier: And are you sure that people will be able to handle the content?

It is much easier to explain to people that killing = bad.
It is much more difficult to explain to them that just because a girl said "Yes" it doesn't mean it's not a rape.

Childhood friend of mine served couple of years of prison term in a similar scenario, and even after his release he wasn't able to understand what the problem was. And he was in his early 20s, so by all our definitions totally capable of handling such themes.
Two words for you: Sex Education

We had that in high school (literally every year). I can't tell you what it would have been like without it, only that when I became active, I felt very prepared, not just with the mechanical aspect, but the emotional one too (including of course consent).

It makes a world of difference. We educate people in nearly every other aspect of their lives, its foolish to think that everyone will get this right without some mentoring.

This is the most straightforward solution, not censorship.
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bombardier: And are you sure that people will be able to handle the content?

It is much easier to explain to people that killing = bad.
It is much more difficult to explain to them that just because a girl said "Yes" it doesn't mean it's not a rape.

Childhood friend of mine served couple of years of prison term in a similar scenario, and even after his release he wasn't able to understand what the problem was. And he was in his early 20s, so by all our definitions totally capable of handling such themes.
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Magnitus: Two words for you: Sex Education

We had that in high school (literally every year). I can't tell you what it would have been like without it, only that when I became active, I felt very prepared, not just with the mechanical aspect, but the emotional one too (including of course consent).

It makes a world of difference. We educate people in nearly every other aspect of their lives, its foolish to think that everyone will get this right without some mentoring.

This is the most straightforward solution, not censorship.
Sex education has been objectively proven to lower teen pregnancy rates, STD rates and improve the "stigma" around different sexualities. Talking about sex may be uncomfortable, but it is an absolute must in this day and age, where most parents simply do not take the time to fully explain the mechanics or the emotional mentality behind sex and sexual feelings. If parents don't have the time, it's up to society to take over, to ensure our children grow up mentally and physically prepared for a world that doesn't give a shit about them.
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rjbuffchix: Incidentally, one could also make the argument that people "acting out their urges" in aggressive type games is a better, healthier, morally acceptable alternative to them behaving that way in real life.
*Slow clap* Well said
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Orkhepaj: oh look another low rated topic , lately all topics looks like this
It's hilarious just how cowardly the average lurker on these forums is. They never actually make arguments against things they disagree with with, they just downrate.
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itchy01ca01: Sex education has been objectively proven to lower teen pregnancy rates, STD rates and improve the "stigma" around different sexualities. Talking about sex may be uncomfortable, but it is an absolute must in this day and age, where most parents simply do not take the time to fully explain the mechanics or the emotional mentality behind sex and sexual feelings. If parents don't have the time, it's up to society to take over, to ensure our children grow up mentally and physically prepared for a world that doesn't give a shit about them.
It is very difficult to introduce sex education to curriculum. When public is constantly bombarded with sex from every TV show, music video, YT video or game they will push for more religion education and less sexual education.

It would be much easier to introduce sexual education without all this gratuitous sex on every step. Sex has become a goto solution for all bad writers, directors, musicians and marketing gurus.

The more you try to normalize sexuality the more push back you receive.
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bombardier: It is very difficult to introduce sex education to curriculum. When public is constantly bombarded with sex from every TV show, music video, YT video or game they will push for more religion education and less sexual education.

It would be much easier to introduce sexual education without all this gratuitous sex on every step. Sex has become a goto solution for all bad writers, directors, musicians and marketing gurus.

The more you try to normalize sexuality the more push back you receive.
When you're done Gish-galloping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop), you may be interested to look at the currently on-sale game Pumpkin Jack. The description on the Winter Sale page that I saw just now reads "Dive into an epic adventure through otherworldly landscapes and help the Evil annihilate the Good." Sounds very wholesome and self-defensey.
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rjbuffchix: When you're done Gish-galloping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop), you may be interested to look at the currently on-sale game Pumpkin Jack. The description on the Winter Sale page that I saw just now reads "Dive into an epic adventure through otherworldly landscapes and help the Evil annihilate the Good." Sounds very wholesome and self-defensey.
How to hell is that related to sexual education?
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rjbuffchix: When you're done Gish-galloping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop), you may be interested to look at the currently on-sale game Pumpkin Jack. The description on the Winter Sale page that I saw just now reads "Dive into an epic adventure through otherworldly landscapes and help the Evil annihilate the Good." Sounds very wholesome and self-defensey.
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bombardier: How to hell is that related to sexual education?
Pumpkin Jack having the player be "evil" in order to progress is related to you making previous points which you apparently refuse to address the responses to, given that you moved on to making new points like this one about education. The concept of "Gish gallop" is related to you moving on to new points and arguments in rapid succession while leaving the previous ones unaddressed.
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I'm not really into the whole adult themed game jazz. I'll just watch some xxx rated vids instead if I feel so inclined. lol However, people should have the freedom to play the things they want within the scope of the law. That being said, I personally find them low-brow and without any further merit than an old fashioned magazine can bring. I think GoG needs to focus on more AAA titles rather than shovelware and digismut.

I will concede that blood and gore are extremes just as graphic sex and adult situations are. However, for people under 18 it is the responsibility of the parents to supervise. That being said, I don't think GoG is gaining much mainstream credibility for essentially peddling smut. lol Frankly, I'm tired of seeing these games featured on the store page. Not because I'm offended, but because GoG often has good deals and good sales of little known games. One of these wankintosh games appears, misleads me into thinking it might be cool, then I click on it to find out it's a lonely spanker game. lol
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