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BanditKeith2: And most porn/sex games aren't like that.. how you mentioned it seems you iether are using strawman arguments or have been taken in by the type that lies about media they don't like to demonize it and those into it for varies reasons
The game description of the latest game added on GOG actually proves my point.

"The girls in the game have different values and may or may not be attracted to you based on your choices. Can you resist the temptations along the way to get the girl of your dreams, or will you relent and just...experiment?"

From this description my expectation of the game mechanics is that I will be manipulating game world in a way that game allows me just to get a "yes" from the girl.
Am I wrong? Is there some other end game result?
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bombardier: The main point of all games is some type of conflict or obstacle you have to clear on your way.

In action games like Castle Wolfestein AI controls an army trying to kill you and you perform acts of self defense while escaping. Both sides of conflict are armed and prepared for a fight. AI is the one that attacks you on sight and gives you no other option but to fight.
There is very small number of games that actually turn this around and make you kill a defensless characters or require you to be the first to start the fight with innocent AI characters (Hitman).

On the other hand, adult video games are about tricking females into having sex with you. Here, you are a predator and defenseless female characters are your prey.

Do you really think this is the same thing?
I think it is a dishonest argument, actually. I'll leave aside your especially dishonest portrayal of adult games and address the rest. You know, or should know, full well that there are numerous (not just a few) games on this store where there is no option other than aggression initiated by the player character(s). In fact, there are more such games where the player character is required to perform some sort of aggressive action to progress, than there are adult games total on this store. In many cases like political simulator games, said aggression may not even be perceptible to the average person, who has never pondered the mechanisms of it before. Of course, this is all fictional media, so much like one wouldn't show a toddler Game of Thrones, there is the option to avoid it while others who are more equipped to handle the content/themes are able to buy/play it.
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bombardier: The game description of the latest game added on GOG actually proves my point.

"The girls in the game have different values and may or may not be attracted to you based on your choices. Can you resist the temptations along the way to get the girl of your dreams, or will you relent and just...experiment?"

From this description my expectation of the game mechanics is that I will be manipulating game world in a way that game allows me just to get a "yes" from the girl.
Am I wrong? Is there some other end game result?
Have you ever played a game with romance mechanics? It is basically how it works regardless of how explicit the content is, no different than having to choose between questlines in a roleplaying game. These characters are not autonomous real-life persons. Please answer how in the hell can the game (ANY game) possibly function other than by internal game logic where specific inputs give specific results?
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rjbuffchix: Of course, this is all fictional media, so much like one wouldn't show a toddler Game of Thrones, there is the option to avoid it while others who are more equipped to handle the content/themes are able to buy/play it.
And are you sure that people will be able to handle the content?

It is much easier to explain to people that killing = bad.
It is much more difficult to explain to them that just because a girl said "Yes" it doesn't mean it's not a rape.

Childhood friend of mine served couple of years of prison term in a similar scenario, and even after his release he wasn't able to understand what the problem was. And he was in his early 20s, so by all our definitions totally capable of handling such themes.
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BanditKeith2: And most porn/sex games aren't like that.. how you mentioned it seems you iether are using strawman arguments or have been taken in by the type that lies about media they don't like to demonize it and those into it for varies reasons
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bombardier: The game description of the latest game added on GOG actually proves my point.

"The girls in the game have different values and may or may not be attracted to you based on your choices. Can you resist the temptations along the way to get the girl of your dreams, or will you relent and just...experiment?"

From this description my expectation of the game mechanics is that I will be manipulating game world in a way that game allows me just to get a "yes" from the girl.
Am I wrong? Is there some other end game result?
You are a fool to equate that to manipulating as you put in a earlier reply ''adult video games are about tricking females into having sex with you. Here, you are a predator and defenseless female characters are your prey.'' as see here often when a description in any game puts things like '' "The girls in the game have different values and may or may not be attracted to you based on your choices. Can you resist the temptations along the way to get the girl of your dreams, or will you relent and just...experiment?"'' it often means things like play a reasonable way that isn't trickery or manipulation to get someone or something one wanted in the game without going and being immoral or the like..

Basically the phrasing is generic as hell you sited as many puzzle games for kids and all ages use similar phrasing for puzzles and even metromania type games

Note I haven't played the newest games here(too pricey for my budget this month .. and depending on factors might be next month too) but odds are you are actually making a absurd assumption

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rjbuffchix: Of course, this is all fictional media, so much like one wouldn't show a toddler Game of Thrones, there is the option to avoid it while others who are more equipped to handle the content/themes are able to buy/play it.
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bombardier: And are you sure that people will be able to handle the content?

It is much easier to explain to people that killing = bad.
It is much more difficult to explain to them that just because a girl said "Yes" it doesn't mean it's not a rape.

Childhood friend of mine served couple of years of prison term in a similar scenario, and even after his release he wasn't able to understand what the problem was. And he was in his early 20s, so by all our definitions totally capable of handling such themes.
So thats it you are extremely biased from a real world advent(if true) and FYI it depends on how a person is mentally if they are fit for such themes and ideas .. As it sounds like this friend might have had some cognitive or developmental troubles that was not noticed or not thought as bad as they was
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bombardier: On the other hand, adult video games are about tricking females into having sex with you. Here, you are a predator and defenseless female characters are your prey.
Unless you are talking about rape games, your description of "adult games" is absolutely disturbing.
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bombardier: On the other hand, adult video games are about tricking females into having sex with you. Here, you are a predator and defenseless female characters are your prey.
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Cambrey: Unless you are talking about rape games, your description of "adult games" is absolutely disturbing.
It is not my definition adult games. This is the interpretation of real life by some people.
There are even books available: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist
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Cambrey: Unless you are talking about rape games, your description of "adult games" is absolutely disturbing.
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bombardier: It is not my definition adult games. This is the interpretation of real life by some people.
There are even books available: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist
Oh so you are basing it on bad examples that anyone that is smart enough would distance themselves from and sure thier was one game based on that at one time but everyone but a very small group called out the game and the game making for that sort of game even porn game plays called out such a sort of game as bad and trash.. I forgot what the game was named but even porn game lovers said it was filth and a monstrous concept being on display in the game
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bombardier: Am I wrong? Is there some other end game result?
Yes, you are wrong. You are incorrectly interpreting the text you quoted as if the words are implying that the character goes around committing rape.

But that's not at all what the text is implying.

Rather, it's implying that the character may have to refrain from having promiscuous consensual relations with whoever he wants, because if he does that, then the woman of his dreams may consequently be repulsed by him and reject him.
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bombardier: Am I wrong? Is there some other end game result?
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Yes, you are wrong. You are incorrectly interpreting the text you quoted as if the words are implying that the character goes around committing rape.

But that's not at all what the text is implying.

Rather, it's implying that the character may have to refrain from having promiscuous consensual relations with whoever he wants, because if he does that, then the woman of his dreams may consequently be repulsed by him and reject him.
I don't believe anything you say, you are wrong all the time
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bombardier: It is not my definition adult games. This is the interpretation of real life by some people.
There are even books available: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist
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BanditKeith2: Oh so you are basing it on bad examples that anyone that is smart enough would distance themselves from and sure thier was one game based on that at one time but everyone but a very small group called out the game and the game making for that sort of game even porn game plays called out such a sort of game as bad and trash.. I forgot what the game was named but even porn game lovers said it was filth and a monstrous concept being on display in the game
Are you sure about that smart thing?
https://www.puatraining.com/superseducer/
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oh look another low rated topic , lately all topics looks like this
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Orkhepaj: oh look another low rated topic , lately all topics looks like this
Yeah, I think that the effects of these last 2 years are starting to show on all of us. :)
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Orkhepaj: oh look another low rated topic , lately all topics looks like this
topics used to look like this a few years back, it's either bots or no lifers that just downvote every post of yours in said topic.

Gets old after a while, but they still at it, after all this time.
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BanditKeith2: Oh so you are basing it on bad examples that anyone that is smart enough would distance themselves from and sure thier was one game based on that at one time but everyone but a very small group called out the game and the game making for that sort of game even porn game plays called out such a sort of game as bad and trash.. I forgot what the game was named but even porn game lovers said it was filth and a monstrous concept being on display in the game
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bombardier: Are you sure about that smart thing?
https://www.puatraining.com/superseducer/
Those are the games everyone hated on yes even most porn game players atleast if it indeed is the games I am thinking of FYI the game almost got on a playstation console till people was like'' no hell no you don't want something like that on the console.. ''Again if such was the game name I was thinking of as I know it has Seducer in it name and looks like that was it
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midrand: For all the moral outrages on these forums about Chinese censorships, DRM issues and other freedom of speech like issues it is amazing to see how more or less united the front against nudity and sex is here with our SJWs righteously downvoting each adult title through reviews.

Do you really think that seeing somebody's entrails and skull shot with blood spilling everywhere - or playing survival horror / Alan Wake sequel - is somehow better for child / vulnerable mental health than seeing boobs and naked bodies? Really? Why oppose sexually explicit content - by all means filter it (as is required by law anyway) - but let the user vote with his money. Free market sorts this out very quickly.

Any child with unblocked internet access can obtain as much or as little porn as he or she wants anyway - GOG or no GOG. It is up to the said hypothetical child's parents to exercise their duty and limit / educate / guide him accordingly in his life choices and experiences.
Im an SJW. I WANT more nudity and sex in our entertainment, and most of the leftist people I know do. Stripping and freeing the body is the ultimate form of female empowerment. This most certainly isn't a left vs right thing because both are just as bad as the other.