@ZFR Do you regret not being NK'd.... Er, are you surprised? :D
Dude, when did you go from "carradice is scum" to "carradice is town?" Obviously, I wasn't around for the last 4(!) pages, and haven't really read them. Naturally, I need to, but this is such a massive change of tone that i want to know why you are buying this narrative when 72 hours ago you were all "he is scum and we must lock him up" [paraphrased]. Assumptions of his innocence seem diametrically opposite of what you had been saying yesterDay.

Summarize plz. Also, we are now at L-6 iiuc. The stupid thing is that in my skim of some of those pages, I almost would have changed my vote to carradice if it had been saturday instead of monday.

Looking at late voters on the SPF wagon

ISO'd flocke, looks good, some consistency in thought, good effort, seems fine

uh oh

He claimed Cop. There is no counterclaim.

I'm not saying "Carradice is Town." I'm saying we have to make a decision. If we decide carradice is scum, we lynch today. If we decide he's town, we decide he's Town today.

lol!


Yup, I think I agree. Let's get roleblocker and then see how carradice is looking.

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I like how supplementscene's began this day. And ZFR.

This post makes me trust FlockeSchnee:

Microfish
Trentonlf
Vitek
Yogsloth
Lifthrasil
dedoporno

^ I'm going to assume our mafia is in this group.

yeah I'll just trust StrongSoldier this game.


Let's say it's Trent, Vitek and Lifthrasil.

hm... the three guys who have been town reading me all game.

That doesn't make sense does it? It's probably not the three of them.

I posted this half an hour ago, but I accidentally posted it in the sign up thread. Sorry:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mamlaka_al_shams_come_join_us_and_play/post236

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I mean I'm OK to lynch Carradice if the majority thinks so.

But we practically said we'll lynch him toDay if he's not dead. I can totally see Mafia going for blocking him instead of Nking, knowing we'll lynch him.

Either way, we have to decide it Today.

If the majority thinks so you won't need to OK it ;p

Or will I?

I just realized the game's back on. It's almost 3AM so I'll be on tomorrow.

I'm not sure what your obsession is for me this game, but you are looking in the wrong place. I've tried my best not to tunnel on you like I normally do as I always find how you play to be annoying and scummy, but if you want to do this dance I will for sure push you to the edge so you can confess your guilt. If you're truly Town then I suggest you shift your focus elsewhere because as much as I wish I was scum I am not.

As for Carradice, I went back and ISO'd them over the weekend and I get a big overly defensive vibe from them. If they truly are the Town Cop this makes sense as they would have been afraid of being Imprisoned Day 1 and costing Town a powerful role, and if true the bad part is scum have made The Cop role useless at this point by blocking them. But, after the ISO I'm not 100% buying into the claim. It really felt like a last ditch effort to save themselves claiming a role that they knew would save them for the day.

I agree with ZFR though, we need to come to a decision on Carradice because it will be a distraction if we don't. I would lean toward voting them today based on the vibe I get from them after my ISO.

@ssuplementscene

Explain how your thinking evolved here

timestamps on GOG really suck, but for me they all read "2 days ago", so they had to be pretty close together and you didn't have much in-between them

SPF is totally town -> SPF is town but I'm voting him anyway -> SPF is totally scum

in very short order

I don't think I follow this

AND


I'd like to see you make a case on a player in your very next post and vote for that player please

How convenient.

If scum have a Roleblocker, this would be a prudent action on their part. Let the Cop live, render him useless and enjoy the suspicion he gets for surviving. Your choice of target also makes sense, considering your voiced suspicion.

However, all of this would also work with the assumption of scum!Carradice. Cop as false-claim. You survived because you are scum and you claim to have been blocked. What makes this a bit less likely is, that there was no counter-claim. But then again, we don't even know if there is a Cop in this game. Hmm. But for now I'll assume that you are Town and work on that assumption. But that may change during the Day.

Didn't you say that you read the rules this time?

How do you know that there was glue involved? Were you there?

the latter is where I disagree. If we decide, for today, to assume that Carradice is Town, he will still be under scrutiny for the rest of the Day and the following Days. This isn't an absolute decision and it should not be. Of course, if we decide that he is scum, we lynch and that is that. But no one just gets Town-cleared for the rest of the game unless there is a Mod-confirmation or at least a read from a proven Cop or something similar involved.

Or out the real Cop in the process, if one exists. I still think Carradice's defensiveness looked scummy. But I also assume that we do have a Cop. It's one of the standard rules after all. And therefore the 'no counterclaim' think makes it more likely that Carradice's claim was true. But that is only based on an assumption.

That is actually a good observation. @Scene: I would also like to have a reply to this.

But also @SMFR: what was the 'wagon balancing' supposed to achieve? A balanced votes situation at deadline would have meant a no-lynch. So what's the point of balancing wagons?

So Carradice is still alive. How convenient.
But also understandable even if he was town.
I am still not convinced but on the other hand is is unCC'ed... bleh.
Et tu, Joe?


Why does everyone (you and 1 other person) think I am townreading you?


What was your main reason to hammering SPF, Joe?

So how is it with LIft?
In 695 he is picked in your trio and in 696 he seems likely to be townlift? Which is it?




What a fair justice system we have. Welp, looks like he is innocent. Meh, it's too embarassing, let's just leave him there, we can't admit our fault.
Why I don't find it strange at all?

Oh, by the way, my question to SMFR was posed for posterity. Just so that I don't forget to ask him post game. Because that was really a strange thing to do.

Are you discontent how our glorious queen runs her judicial system? Do you think you could do better than Her Highness?