And that is the answer I was looking for.
Now I know he was lying and that's the the thing I wasn't sure until now and that you brushed away as something everyone should know!
Certainly took quite long for something that was apparently oh so obvious.
It was reason why I couldn't be sure about Micro and now you are using it as reason as why I should be sure about Micro and trent.

Yes. You brought up having read Mafiascum in your defense why you were unsure how the Roleblocker works. So you know the resource, but happened to look at the Tracker site for information on the Roleblocker. Not exactly logical. In any case, you knew where to look for information on how roles work. So I assume that you knew full well how a roleblock normally works and that you worked that into your claim to discredit Micro in a roundabout way. Pretending to be unsure to let someone else make the connection and do the work for you.

Also, I gave you my input on how the Roleblocker usually works (to my knowledge) three days ago. So no, this information is not new.

But all of that is anyhow just icing on the cake. Your biggest blunder remains that the actions you reported indicate, that you had a very good opportunity to catch Scum N1 but decided not to do so. Which shows that there is something off with your claim. The rest just adds up.

Sorry that I sounded dismissive. But I do believe that you slipped with that claim.

@all: I am fine with a Vitek lynch. If those who haven't voted yet disagree with lynching Vitek, I would also be fine to switch to Flocke. I think she is relatively surely scum too. But I won't be able to discuss much tomorrow. But I will try to check in via mobile to see whether my vote has to be switched for any reason.

I'm also fine switching to Flocke. As a matter of fact I was about to propose we do earlier, as that would leave the two claimed powers available to act while Flocke, if her claim happens to be true wouldn't bring anything new for sure. Then I found that contradiction about Trent in Vitek's posts and I got distracted by it.

I also won't be available a lot tomorrow, maybe even not at all, as we are at the very last stages of preparation of our new place and we have a lot to do tomorrow.

I managed to get over my selfpity.

So:
Both were, helpful/coaching/sympathizing with me.

I realized Micro might have actually been blocked N3. If Vitek is actually JOAT and lied about what power he used when. Why did he choose a block on Day1, if there wasn't much to go on in regards to who has a PR?
And if he is Mafia with Carradice, maybe that was part of the reason why Carradice seemed to change his mind and claim Cop instead of Vanilla. They might have tried to seize the opportunity to seed doubt with the roleblock and then have Vitek actually roleblock a TownPR under suspicion (not necessarily Micro).
Probably WIFOM: I also noticed, that Vitek voted Carradice, which didn't get an OMGUS reaction.

So, I think, Vitek might be the most likely Mafia of the two.

I would vote Vitek over Micro. But there are enough votes already.

More importantly: I will have time tomorrow for clarifications/questions/whatever.


You and dedo were on Micros wagon together EOD1.
And Micro and dedo were on yogs wagon together on EOD2 + 3.

trent and me were on SPF'S/SMFR's wagons together on EOD1.

Supposedly Mafia don't vote on the same wagen, at least early (earlish) in the game. No, I don't know, if any of that actually means anything. The previous games so far just had me let to believe it would.

Apparently, my reads are off.
So, I will try the process of elimination instead: If you are Mafia, that would probably mean dedo is Town, because you two were on the same wagon Day1 (that "supposedly" thing mentioned above). If you are MafiaJOAT it might also mean, that Micro is Town and you probably blocked him N3.
So, that would leave Lift and trent. Someone trying to buddy up to me or someone trying to piss me off? Tough decision.

The last sentence may read "snarky" or something, but I just think this game so far has been even weirder then my first one.

Doesn’t matter to me for Vitek or Flocke, I think either way we hit scum. I’ll be pretty busy this weekend myself and can’t guarantee I’ll be around much tomorrow or Sunday.

END OF COURT PHASE 2 VOTE COUNT
Carradice (5) - trentonlf, Vitek, Lifthrasil

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Well, it would have been too easy I guess. Apparently votes actually don't hold much (if any) clues.

Vitek is still the more probable liar to me, but I don't know what to make of this.

Don't have time today. But tomorrow.

Query: I'm not opposed to this, but am missing the fine print. Why would the JOAT be getting heat for not actioning towards C but I did not? Is it because i was erroneously beliving C, but Vitek wasn't? idk?

@lift @dedo thank you for your explanations re NL and when to use it vs when it is useless. They helped a lot.

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please claim your remaining skill.

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(I didn't say "snip" this time!) nice catch re the "trent is good if Micro is scum but he isn't clearing trent" bit.

Vitek claims he had a watch ability. Carradice claimed Town Cop on D1. If they were indeed Town the claim had to be true. The scum were obligated to act upon it one way or another. That's either a kill or a block. Anything else would be nothing short of foolish neglect and we don't have fools around here. A Watcher should by default watch Carradice to see who targets them. That may expose a killer if the Cop gets murdered or a blocker if they get blocked. Additional information may also become available - for example in our setup JOAT!Vitek might have known that we also have a protective role like a Doctor or a Bodyguard as he would have gotten 2 or more results (i.e. killer/blocker Flocke + Doctor Scene). Either way there is always something to work with.

Alternatively, if Carradice was lying and was scum the likeliest scenario would have been no visit at all which circles back to the foolish neglect. And we don't have fools around. So a Cop not-visited at night and alive in the morning, claiming to have been blocked is an instant scum imprisonment. Regardless of what result Vitek might have gotten he pretty much always gets some result ranging from somewhat useful to "DING! DING! DING! JACKPOT!!!".

And he went out and allegedly blocked some dude that wasn't even playing the game that much at the time.

Why the heck not, it's not like I am going to live to see the night.

I have 1-shot bulletproof to help me with my survivoring.

Vitek has been sitting at L-1 for about 10 hours now. Everyone not voting for him have made an appearance and haven't hammered yet. This means one of three things - we are NOT at MYLO somehow, Vitek is Town and the scum are still playing it safe. Trent and Lift are the scum and a Town player is needed to make the hammer or Vitek is scum. First option looks pretty unlikely. Second as well, but if that's the case - these guys killed it so they can enjoy their victory. But I think we are in business.

out of curiosity, are we confident enough on vitek that we don't want him to use his 4th role (1338)? It is an awfully convenient role to have left, as--if true--he a) won't be visited by scum, b) if he is visited, he'll remain in the game, or C, he's bluffing to try and stay in the game as a 3-use JOAT.
Even as i write this I see how silly it sounds.

Who would we swap to? Flocke?

Aybak even noticed it. Rather than votes for all kinds of people, it seems that they were reduced and condensed into a couple of guards over the days...slowly culminating into the one person.

He had hoped that person was a rebel, and caught...otherwise, there was not telling what would happen.

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12 HOURS 8 MINUTES VOTE COUNT!

Vitek (3) - Lifthrasil, trentonlf, dedoporno

Not voted: Lifthrasil, trentonlf, dedoporno, FlockeSchnee, Microfish
Not voting: Vitek, FlockeSchnee, Microfish

Vitek is closest to imprisonment, at L-1. One more vote and he's done!
6 players. It takes four to imprison.
Court Phase 4 continues until Saturday, 18th July, at 8PM London Time (UTC+1).

My argumentation in 1333 (the Cop claim part) includes too many ifs and buts.

Bulletproof decides this for real then.

Vote Vitek