Here, you can have one too.

Hmmmmm. No deadline yet. Wut? In any case, I ask people to refrain from hammering just yet. Let us discuss a bit more.

Flub, would you be so kind as to explain what prompted you to be more direct in the things you are saying? Recently you've been pointing at people more directly than in the beginning (if you were bread crumbing I wouldn't know since I'm really bad at reading that stuff).

Also, what have you pondered about the people on your "ponder" list?

lulz!!

PREACH IT!!!

Where exactly have I said "Hey everyone, put your votes on adaliabooks he's scum and needs to be lynched". adalibooks is presenting an act that hurts town more than it helps, the same as you did last game.

It's DAY 1, hello there is little to no info. Behaving in a scummy manner on Day 1 is almost a sure fire wayed to get lynched, and if you are town then it's a play that hurts town more than helps.

Now he wants to make it seem as if he's being the hero and sacrificing his life so town can have some info on his possible flip and if he is town now all of a sudden anyone who suspected him is guilty for doing so. It's a BS play that hurts town.

The fact is Day 1 sucks and will always suck because nothing has happened yet, and trying to force things to happen creates chaos. Only ones to benefit from chaos is scum.

Depends. Does the Space Opera game count as someone doing something stupid?

This is a terrible question. The supposition I have been vague or covert precludes answering why I've changed.

Leonard03 - RVS vote becomes legit because of the reason.

QuadrAlien - #2 vote on CSPVG because of the reason

RWarehall - no vote

Ah. Yes. About that.

I'm afraid I've found my schedule's rather more busy than I had thought - my brother's been finishing off a game to be released, and has just revealed to me that the release date's supposed to be around Tuesday, and not, as I had previously anticipated, the following weekend. Long story short, I have a vast number of achievements to test over the next couple of evenings.

I might be able to get a bit posted during my actual job (admittedly assuming its still day), but I may require a reprieve until Tuesday.

Apologies.

Interesting. Further analysis is required.

RWare has voted though.

Do you really need to ask?

That one was actually kicked off by two things; yogs made a post outlining various things (can't quite remember what now, I seem to remember speculation about it being role madness etc.) and I responded to it, in a stupid and overblown way (because I was scum and had no idea what I was doing and thought I might be able to get him lynched)
Seems pretty similar to what's going on here, except this time I made the first post and others jumped on me and I'm going to get lynched, and this time I'm town.

So, have a look back at thread and tell me what was happening before I made my post suggesting we start placing random votes.
How much was being said?
What miraculous event was going to occur that suddenly made something happen to get the day started?
Eventually someone would have said something which was seen as a slip, and they would have gotten lynched. Or a deadline would have been called and we would have lynched the person with the fewest posts or least useful posts.
Or, I could suggest an idea to get us started, one I knew would at the very least generate discussion. And discussion gives us something to analyse, and forces players to get involved which can lead to slips (from town and scum, but hopefully we can pick up on the right ones)

Please trent, tell me how in your ideal world we actually start this game?
We're not supposed to talk about roles; that's scummy.
We're not supposed to talk about the game set up; that's scummy too.
We're not supposed to suggest no lynch; guess what, that's scummy as well!
We can't make any kind of plays; they're scummy and cause confusion.
Not talking is scummy, but lynching lurkers is scummy too.
Can you see my problem here? Why I feel that day 1 will just drag and drag?

I apologise if my play wasn't the best or brightest, but I'm not sorry for getting something going.

And since everyone wants me to vote, I'm now feeling fairly confident about this one:
Vote trentonlf

No, I'm not pushing for you to vote. I was just asking why you didn't. Now you have explained, good. You do have changed your playstyle though. Maybe even for the better. But I can't really tell whether that change is in you, as a player or is related to your role or faction. So I'll keep asking questions, whenever I notice something that appears unusual to me. If that raises your eyebrows, so be it.

While I agree with HijacK that more discussion time would be nice, I can't really think of much else to say myself.

I disagree with how adalia went about playing this day, but I can't quite see voting for him. There's something about all this mess to me that smacks of one of those,"Oh look, two townies fighting," incidents that one frequently sees. In this case, however, it's not so much two townies going at it, as a great majority of people deciding that someone is scummy and going after said person.

Now, while I can't really fault either adalia or those voting for him for their actions (the former felt that he was actively participating by being provocative, whilst the latter group picked up on this provocativeness and went after him for it), I can't help but feel that day one has been something is off about it all.

This is why I don't like this sort of play. Yes, perhaps we'll have learned something, but I think the only lessons I'll take away from it are: 1) If you act in a manner which could be broadly construed as scummy, people will pick up on it and vote for you, and 2) this doesn't really help town in any way.

This last point may seem like a generalization, but it's how I feel. What, if anything, have we learned from this whole thing except that my point one holds true. I certainly can't think of anything, but perhaps someone else can. Everyone: What would you say you've taken away from today, in terms of reads other than adalia (Is it alright to ask for reads now, Senpai?), or anything else of value that you could contribute?

My answers to the above are rather limited, as I feel that adalia's play has eclipsed most of this day for me. However, I have noted with interest that both bler (to a less extent, if I remember correctly) and Bookwyrm have defended adalia on a number of occasions. Now, they could be nice townies, 'sensing' another townie and wanting to help him, or it could be something more sinister. Bookwyrm has been particularly vehement, I thought, especially in answering my question to flub about him not voting for HijacK based on some speculation. Even though I had acknowledged that HijacK's answer had occurred in a different context.

Other than bler and Bookwyrm, I think flubbucket and HijacK have been very interesting. Flubbucket mostly for being his strange, strange self (Never change, Mr. Bucket), and HijacK for being more muted than what I've ever seen him being.

Now, I don't think that me suspecting flub is all that interesting, as I always seem to, at least to some degree. HijacK, however, has posted less (most likely to do with RL), but has also struck me as less cocksure and bullish than I've seen him in any other game. Yes, he's been abrupt now and then, but overall he seems more reserved. Whether he's got tired of being offed in the first few days or whether there's something more to it, I'm not sure.

Thinking about it now, has anyone played a game with HijacK in which he was scum? If so, would you say his 'meta' was different in that game. I don't know if I believe that this would prove anything, I'd just like to know.

tl;dr: I find adalia suspect, but don't want to vote for him. I asked a question that I'd like the answer to, it's in paragraph five. I also find bler, Bookwyrm, flubbucket, and HijacK to be interesting, although I'm not sure what that means myself.

So, perhaps I did have more to say than I thought. I ask for forgiveness for any major grammatical, spelling, etc. errors, and for the general waffling manner of the post (as well as it's length). I also realise that I may be addicted to parenthetical remarks (as any non-scummy person should be, I might add). I will forever excuse my general incoherence, and any mistakes in the post, by saying that I was tired (which is true), and that any incorrectness is because my amanuensis is not attentive enough, and perhaps very bad at everything in general (which may or may not be true).

Lastly, although not in matters of importance, Sage: Here's hoping that you'll soon be on your feet again, and welcome RWarehall.

For the record, at the time you posted, I believe that was true, I had not placed a vote. If I had not been a replacement, I suspect I would have already voted, but given my late arrival and that it seemed a lynch was close and there was unresolved discussion, I held off. Once I felt all got said that really needed to be said, I did place my vote.

Holy crap was that a lot to read. Everyone trying to bring their serious face to the table. Some very interesting activity that seems to be as much about jockeying for D2 position as resolving D1. Not sure if that's for the good or not.

The edited post I think referred to me, and I was considering addressing it at some point, but if I do so it would be in the sign-up thread rather than the game thread. Too much of a distraction at this point in the day. I don't mind answering, but I appreciate Yog's act of being considerate.

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At first read I was confused and thought Adalia was saying he was faking about some part of his claim, but on closer read he's saying his PM really says sorceror, but that his role is vanilla? So the only thing he was faking was his flavor? Was there somewhere where he says what his flavor actually is, Billy Elliot joke aside?

Also, if you're going to make a Billy Elliot joke you really have to proclaim "F*CK"really loudly and repeatedly.

I'm a little surprised he has only 14 stat points even with a vanilla role, but on the whole I buy the claim. He could well be right that stats determined role, but also possible class was assigned first and stats were done with roll +/- mod for race & class, or who knows. (e.g. Vanilla str = D1-10 less 2, add 1 for dwarf, etc.)

Would still like to see the real flavor Adalia is claiming though -either # of post I missed, or new post from him.

Even more convinced CSP is the better lynch. I like the OMGUS in finding 2 of the 3 votes on his wagon suspicious. Easy to say Flub is acting odd (well, yeah). That said, on that score he's no different than Adalia it would seem, who ventured as high as suggesting as many as 3 of 5. So maybe that's just a natural reaction.

I'm likewise leery that CSP keeps digging for what other people think (definitely a question to ask at the dawn of D2, and not as scum are presumably settling in on targets, imo), and that he's on me and wyrm for "defending" adalia when he's not on the wagon for what seem to be even more vague reasons.

But yes, I agree at least somewhere in the 7 not on the wagon there's at least 1 if not more scum/non-town. Who, of course being the question.

I think I've been fairly expansive (but I'm happy to expound more if people want to ask questions) about why I'm not on the wagon, and like it or not my perception Wyrm hasn't "defended" Adalia imo but has given a reason for not voting that's somewhat binary in nature - I agree with his basic premise that we shouldn't necessarily punish people for trying to shake up a day most players hate but think at the same time blanket immunity for an entire day's behavior is probably a bit much.

Understand the wagon on Adalia, but at this point I think it's a negative play today, and will look worse in the morning. He's on the table, and unlike Yog's claim last game, he hasn't given himself any room to shift his claim later. He's also not claiming anything that gives him total immunity from all types of investigation. He seems to be controlled to my mind.

Need a nap.