Wizards use INT as main stat. Bards usually use CHR. And so do sorcerors in D&D (and witches in some other settings) to distinguish the difference between scientific casting and emotional casting. But all this RPG knowledge is probably quite useless in this game, since we don't know the rules Yogs is using - if he is using any and all this isn't just fluff.

But aside from that, you really should play Baldur's gate, Neverwinter Nights and Planescape Torment. They are fun!

Good question. At this point, I'd probably go through with the lynch. It's clear town isn't losing much (Vanilla) and at least with a flip the honest of my actions can be evaluated, and to some extent the honesty of everyone else's.

But if I were here playing on the other side of this (i.e. not me having made the play I did) then I wouldn't be on the wagon. I'd be sitting where Bookwyrm and Bler are, but probably with a vote on flub, CSPVG or possibly Leonard (assuming I hadn't been convinced by my arguments that you and trent are scum) because they seem to be worth much less to town than I am (I might be causing chaos, but at least I'm doing something)

So you'd rather get lynched for no reason on day one than to actually try and play the game, good to know that if you are town we will be lynching someone who doesn't want to play anyway.

Thinking you are helping town by getting yourself lynched is poor thinking. You fight for your life until the end. If you flip town then we can actually see who was pushing hard for your lynch. This "oh well I'm going to get lynched, at least I had fun!" attitude does nothing to help town.

"Hey everyone go ahead and lynch me, scum can get on and off my wagon wherever they want because it doesn't matter since I'm giving up anyway". If you're town how exactly does this help? How are we going to evaluate your wagon properly? If I was scum I would probably be going "hey I think adaliabooks is really town, maybe we shouldn't lynch him" and then watch you get lynched anyway since you've given up and then look I'd like good for not getting on your wagon. But you are just thinking of having "fun" instead of how your actions will be adversely effecting town.

No I'd rather survive till the end and figure out who all the scum are and lynch them. But if it's a choice between going out day 1 having enjoyed my time in the game, or sitting through another 2 month long slog where we do nothing because everyone is too afraid to actually post anything, yeah I'd rather go out now and join the party in the observer thread.

Do you not think I am fighting for my life? Do you not see that this is what this is? I'm town, I'm not going to lie and say that lynching me isn't a logical option, of course it is. Because you'll get my flip, and you can judge me and others based on that. But that doesn't mean I'd rather not see scum lynched instead.

So by your logic Bler and Bookwyrm are probably scum correct? Because they've stayed off the wagon and stated (Bler anyway, can't remember if Bookwyrm has) that they think I'm probably town. There you go you have learned something from my play! I hope you vote for one of them tomorrow then.
It's up to you to evaluate the situation, maybe scum are more likely to hang back and not get involved, so look at those who did exactly that. Or maybe there's a mixture of both, so look at the people who got on my wagon in the most suspicious fashion, Leonard for example. Or those who were conspicuous for staying off.

I don't get this tactic either...
One makes a scene trying to see who jumps and who doesn't with the premise "we'll learn something from it".
While its true that we might learn something from any reveal, I don't see the point in town voluntarily failing on their sword to prove it.
Far more is learned when scum is lynched, and a town getting lynched is most likely two less of us the next day and still a whole lot of guesswork as to why anyone voted to lynch or not.

I also think people are getting spoiled by roles. This attitude that vanilla roles are useless is far from the truth. You don't need power roles and reveals to win this game, they are a crutch. The game can be won through careful observation. But lately, it seems anyone with a weaker role or no role at all wants to either sacrifice themselves or push everyone else to reveal. Neither of these things are helpful to town.

Personally I don't mind having less important roles, because I know they are still quite important. By staying alive, I get to both continue problem-solving with the team and be an option for the night kill. What should have upset everyone last game, with three people claiming vanilla or the end of their roles, was that they just made the night kill choice that much easier for scum. We don't need to make it easy for them. Right now they are guessing which of us may be more or less important just like we are guessing which of us are not who we claim.

Please don't make it easier for them. When you post, think about whether what you are saying is going to help town or scum more. If you think you have some sort of sly play, think about how it might be perceived by your fellow townies, not just the scum. The reason we don't talk about or imply anything about our roles is so that Team Scum needs to keep guessing. Because think about it...does it really help you or me to know who the town cop is? The answer is ...NO. They will reveal themselves when they have gathered something useful enough that its worth a reveal. Same goes for doctor and every other role. And revealing that you aren't one of these expected roles, just narrows down the choices for scum.

Frankly, I enjoy vanilla and weaker roles. To me it makes the game more pure and even more satisfying when you figure something out without having it handed to you on a silver platter....

Ranting over...
So, it appears we have a wagon...
Are we ready to do this thing?
Anything else we wish to discuss?
And if we are on board and ready to do this, I suggest we let adalia have one last post to play the guessing game. Because if Adalia's town, every townie getting lynched should be given the chance to make a list so after the game they can tell us "I told you so" if they were correct.

Furthermore, what's the vote count?

No I don't think you are fighting for your life.

It is entirely possible one or both are scum. With what information we have on DAY 1 it's entirely possible anyone is scum. Because I said what I would do if I was scum does not mean that's what scum is doing, but if you flip town then it will be something to be considered.

Why do you automatically assume people are going to be too afraid to post anything and the game will drag on for two months? That's another poor excuse to let yourself lynched over.

I absolutely agree that this game should be fun. I thoroughly enjoy the conversations I have with others while this game is going on, it's engaging and makes you think. But, when someone presents themselves in a scummy manner or an I don't really want to play attitude I will be all over them as they are either scum or someone who is hurting towns chances of winning.

Keeping it tucked for when I actually think someone is genuinely scum, not just playing a poor game.

Just as Hyper said in a previous game I like to have my vote mean something. If to you your vote can be easily placed and retracted then that's you. That's not me. As for my reason we're just going to agree to disagree. It's more than viable to me. My lack of reaction? I did not realize it was my job to overreact to every stupid thing it is said in this game.
Your expectations were in this case wrong. Since you're so inclined to using previous games as precedent, why don't you humor me and go back to check my voting patterns. You'll notice that they are not unlike now.

In any case, just like in the past if the lynch proves to hit scum I shall congratulate you and criticize me for failing to properly rationalize and assess the situation. But if it doesn't I just might have to take a better look at you. The way you push me to vote based on previous games is quite eyebrow rising. You seem to care a lot about my vote being placed right now. I don't quite buy your justification.

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Hijack has edited post #333 per my instruction. There will be no penalty.

I ask the group not to comment on this issue as it wasn't game related. If you know what was edited, please be tactful and let this one slide.

Thank you all!

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Who said everyone will sit around and wait? It's just a slow day. I think this over dramatization of the day 1 is preposterous.

Why not both?

Stepped up doing something really unnecessary. In any case, a deadline is still not set. I suggest people continue talking.

Space Opera game.

Better suggestion? How about letting the day take its course? I've never seen a game where day 1 ended with everyone silent enough there was no information to gain. Never!

There is plenty of honest discussion that can be had. Its town's job not to mislead so that if one dies from lynch or night kill or whatever, we can go back and look at your posts with an eye for truth. If you've been playing some kind of game about it, this doesn't help us.

So what do we have here right now? If Adalia is town, well that has been most of the day 1 focus. I'm going to say once again, we learned far less today than we would have with a straight conversation. Seriously, look at all the reasons people are and aren't voting for Adalia...do any of them come out and say scum? Will any of them say scum tomorrow? I doubt it. This same way your play didn't really give much information last game.

And all this is IF you believe Adalia is town. There is still plenty I do not like about the posts. Things like post 242 where Adalia tells Lift "town points for you" for finally voting. So if Adalia comes out town, will we really see that action as "town points"? Should we? As I stated before, I consider posts like "Good post. Town points for you" as rather scummy. Town has no need to suck up to each other, but scum sure does.

Arguing that any lynch is good for town has the same flaw. It comes off to me more as "Follow my lead". Its not to say I'm completely unsympathetic to all Adalia has said. I get it, some of it may be mistake, some of it born out of a bit of bravado and overconfidence. For example, the idea of a "random" lynch I've seen discussed elsewhere. The idea that random would be more likely to hit a scum day 1. Town usually does have a bad track record day 1. I can almost believe its true, but...

What happens if you follow it through to further days. While town has bad luck on day 1, what they learned helps them to more than even the score in future days. What do you learn from a "random" lynch? If all follow through...nothing, because there is nothing to discuss, it's just random...

And Bookwyrm, I am looking at everyone, the problem is, what's there to look at when someone went up front and center and are the clearly scummy candidate? There is far more to learn at the stage when people are seriously discussing candidates. In this case, one candidate stuck out so much, the rest of that discussion was moot.

Now, it would be rather ironic if Adalia flips scum. I can think of a few people who will have some questions to answer. And for the record, on the wagon, off the wagon, if Adalia flips town, don't expect "town points" from me. Scum can play that game just like town, so its rather a bit meaningless.

So what is the course of day 1?
Show me one game where day 1 didn't start with someone (usually town) doing something stupid and getting a load of heat and getting lynched for it.
This WAS the course of the day.
Ok, maybe the controversial event this game was less random then it might have been in others, but I really don't see the difference.

As for one more posts for guesses.. my guesses have been made. I'm not going to list who I think is the most town out of those I find to be town as I think that's unfair to those players.
You know who I think are scum. My piece has been said.

"So where are we, anyway? Can someone bring me up to speed?" asked RWarehall, as he began the task of cutting, sewing, and hammering his armor into something a little more suitable. "Let me get this straight... yogsloth didn't tell me much before he zapped me over here... dead hobbit, ring of evil, throw it all in the Chasm of Fire? Doesn't sound too bad. Have we figured out who killed the hobbit yet? Are we voting on it or something? How's that working?"

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OFFICIAL "YAKKITY YAKKITY YAK" VOTE COUNT:

adailabooks – 5 (Leondard03, trentonlf, JMich, dedoporno, Lifthrasil)
CSPVG – 3 (flubbucket, QuadrAlien, bler144)
flubbucket – 1 (Bookwyrm627)

Not voting – HijacK, CSPVG, RWarehall adaliabooks

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Closest to lynch is adaliabooks at L-2

There is not yet a deadline, but it's coming soon.
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Since Adalia has nothing left to say, I'll put my money where my mouth is...
Vote Adalia

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