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Posted August 16, 2020
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JoeSapphire: Is it? Gym flipped town. I can understand why it would be interesting if it was a mafia flip.
OH wait I get it because mafia might want to keep their hands clean, as it were?
Indeed. If one was mafia and saw GH self-destructing, it would be very easy to stand aside and watch it happen. But your answer was good as well.

I got bored and stopped following the conflict between you and ZFR but it's not a huge surprise that you've voted for him.

While I think Vitek has acted a bit "off", I'm slightly concerned nmillar might be trying to pocket me of late. Not sure if Vitek is town and maf!nmillar is backing me up to steer us towards a misembarrassment of Vitek or if nmillar is town and is just seeing the same weirdness in Vitek that I am.

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JoeSapphire: I feel a bit like I'm talking to myself about this and no-one else is interested. Am I just gibbering nonsense?
It's ok, we've come to expect it. Sure as eggs is eggs, sure as catte is lazy.
Posted August 16, 2020
Just to clarify, I have not voted anyone yet.
Posted August 16, 2020
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nmillar: Just to clarify, I have not voted anyone yet.
When Joe said that I thought "Hmm, I didn't notice", but I didn't bother to check. Still, it's not what I was referring to in my post.
Posted August 16, 2020
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nmillar: Just to clarify, I have not voted anyone yet.
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my name is coole catte: When Joe said that I thought "Hmm, I didn't notice", but I didn't bother to check. Still, it's not what I was referring to in my post.
I know what you were getting at, but thought it best to clarify that I havent actually placed a vote, though I am inclined to do so.

I'm also very disappointed that my recent trip to the bakery went unnoticed.
Posted August 16, 2020
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JoeSapphire: You didn't state the suggestion, but you put the two statements side by side in one paragraph under a single heading. If you weren't intending to invite comparison you did it wrong.
No I didn't. You're reading too much into it. Here is what I wrote:

"As for the people reading Pookina, Joe Town-read him, I slightly Town read him, Vitek found him a bit suspicious an nmillar found him suspicious (I'm going off memory here, correct me if I missed anything or got anything wrong).
Vitek and nmillar's read are pretty much NAIish. Both are smart enough to NK a player they "suspect" as scum for the WIFOM, and if they're Town, then anyone else could kill a player that these two scum-read to put suspicion on them.
But Pooka's flip makes me Town-read Joe a bit more. He Town-read Pooka very early when he had no reason to since Pooka's "whom would you target?" actions could be interpreted as role fishing. "

I kept the original linebreaks. I was analysing the people who had reads on Pooka. First I listed those people and their reads. Then I wrote the my conclusion (NAI) on the people who scum-read him. Then I wrote my conclusion (town-read) on the person who Town-read him. I didn't write my conclusions on myself since I know I'm Town.

So my paragraph can be summarized as:

Sentence 1: Those people read Pooka are: X, Y, Z and myself.
Sentence 2: X, Y who scum-read him are NAI to me.
Sentence 3: Z who Town read him is Townish to me.

I can't see how you conclude that sentence 3 should somehow imply the non-existant sentence that "people who scum-read Pooka = mafia" (which is also contradicted by Sentence 2). And that all this is a ploy made to suggest that I'm Town for Town-reading Pooka.

How would you have written my conclusions about Vitek, nmillar and Joe so as not to imply any hidden meanings?

I really don't follow your logic.

But, whatever... make your own reads.
Posted August 16, 2020
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JoeSapphire: ALSO
Get well soon B
Hope the move goes well Dedo
pssst, dedo, BJG, just to clarify: the fact that Joe wrote this in one paragraph doesn't mean that B's wellbeing is somehow linked to dedo's moving, or vice-versa. In case you were, you know, confused.
Posted August 16, 2020
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nmillar: Just to clarify, I have not voted anyone yet.
oh.


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my name is coole catte: Nope, that's pretty much what I said. My entire point was that I didn't think it was AI.
The last bit about how he might know was just a jokey bit of scum bait. You know how it is, you put out an accusation and see who jumps. Well Vitek seems hot and bothered over nothing.
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nmillar: Much as it pains me to admit this, I'm actually inclined to agree with you, but I'll wait for everyone else to make an appearance before affirming this with a vote.
Ah it was a promise to vote once everybody turned up that I remembered. Who are we still waiting for?


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nmillar: I'm also very disappointed that my recent trip to the bakery went unnoticed.
what?


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ZFR: I can't see how you conclude that sentence 3 should somehow imply the non-existant sentence that "people who scum-read Pooka = mafia" (which is also contradicted by Sentence 2).
Because of

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ZFR: if they're Town, then anyone else could kill a player that these two scum-read to put suspicion on them.
that. What does that mean?



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ZFR: How would you have written my conclusions about Vitek, nmillar and Joe so as not to imply any hidden meanings?
I'd have written something like:

MY THOUGHTS ON THE PEOPLE WHO HAD OPINIONS ON POOKA, By ZFR.

Dedicated to my good friend, [your name here]

A note on the text: The title of this thesis is very misleading. I've grouped together the people who had opinions of pooka, but my reads on them are not actually based on the opinions of pooka that they had.

Introduction. The people who have opinions of pooka were me and Joe who thought he was town. And Vitek and NMillar who thought he was scum.

Chapter One: Vitek and NMillar I have no thoughts on.

Chapter Three: Joe I think is town because of how he behaved yesterday.

Epilogue: I have breifly examined BJ, but I am not going to mention the other three people currently playing the game for no reason. The End.
Posted August 16, 2020
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ZFR: pssst, dedo, BJG, just to clarify: the fact that Joe wrote this in one paragraph doesn't mean that B's wellbeing is somehow linked to dedo's moving, or vice-versa. In case you were, you know, confused.
Hmm, snarky ZFR. I don't know this side of him.


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my name is coole catte: I didn't particularly expect it, but I guess I didn't find it as overtly shocking as you apparently did. I don't make a habit of trying to predict the NK though.
Yeah, shocked, that's exactly as my reaction could be described...
You act like in most games there are not people one does expect more likely or less likely to get NK'ed.

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ZFR: No it doesn't. This implication is only there because you wrote it there and is a fallacy. And a false one.
"False" fallacies are the worst. ;-)

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JoeSapphire: Is it?
I agree with this one. It is not exactly common to iterrogate why someone has not voted flipped town and I am not sure what makes it important here.

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dedoporno: There seems to be an ongoing exchange between Catte (who is a lot more active than what I've come to expect of him - I love that but at the same time I'm not sure what and if it means something) and Vitek.
I talked about it in previous game with Joe and we agreed more active SPF/Catte usually means scum Catte. I know I was mafia there but I was being honest with such observations and Joe was town so you can believe him.


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my name is coole catte: I got bored and stopped following the conflict between you and ZFR but it's not a huge surprise that you've voted for him.
You get F for effort.
Posted August 16, 2020
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ZFR: if they're Town, then anyone else could kill a player that these two scum-read to put suspicion on them.
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JoeSapphire: that. What does that mean?
That, if V and nm are Town then someone who is scum could have killed Pooka to put them in bad light since they scum-read Pooka.

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OK, now I can see your logic.

You're implying that this could be me attempting to pass a fallacious implication that since scum-reading townPooka makes V and nm look bad, then conversly Town-reading Pooka makes those who do so appear good (reinforced by me Townreading you) which in turn puts me in a good light since I town-read Pooka too?

I see the chain now, but it really is a bit of a stretch. Considering I explicitly stated what I think of you, V and nm and why (it was not just you Town-reading Pooka, it was you doing so early and at a time when there was a good reason to scum-read Pooka instead).

But, OK.. I guess. I suppose since dedo saw the connection too it must have been there, even though I really never meant to imply anything.


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ZFR: No it doesn't. This implication is only there because you wrote it there and is a fallacy. And a false one.
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Vitek: "False" fallacies are the worst. ;-)
Oh, come on. I added "false" precisely because of that.
Posted August 16, 2020
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ZFR: Oh, come on. I added "false" precisely because of that.
I noted you original post only several minutes before I saw this one (which itself is only several minutes ago).
It got lost at the EoD frenzy.
Posted August 16, 2020
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nmillar: I'm also very disappointed that my recent trip to the bakery went unnoticed.
If you tell people you went to the bakery it kind of defeats the purpose, no?

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ZFR: pssst, dedo, BJG, just to clarify: the fact that Joe wrote this in one paragraph doesn't mean that B's wellbeing is somehow linked to dedo's moving, or vice-versa. In case you were, you know, confused.
Lolle.

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Vitek: Yeah, shocked, that's exactly as my reaction could be described...
You act like in most games there are not people one does expect more likely or less likely to get NK'ed.
Well sure. Some people were more likely to get NK'd, like bjgames for example. But outside of that, I don't feel like Pooka ranked particularly high or low. I found it neither surprising nor expected.

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Vitek: You get F for effort.
It's really boring!
Posted August 16, 2020
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nmillar: I'm also very disappointed that my recent trip to the bakery went unnoticed.
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my name is coole catte: If you tell people you went to the bakery it kind of defeats the purpose, no?
When it's more obvious than GymHenson's bread loafing, I'm just disappointed that nobody has even raised an eyebrow at the weirdness of some of my posts.

I'm not going to reveal.what it all means just yet, but the information I have gained can either clear or implicate someone.
Posted August 16, 2020
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nmillar: When it's more obvious than GymHenson's bread loafing, I'm just disappointed that nobody has even raised an eyebrow at the weirdness of some of my posts.

I'm not going to reveal.what it all means just yet, but the information I have gained can either clear or implicate someone.
It does rather seem like you're painting a target on your back by bringing it up. Unless you've got scum right now it seems premature. But I'll wait and see where you're going with this.
Posted August 16, 2020
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Posted August 16, 2020
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nmillar: When it's more obvious than GymHenson's bread loafing, I'm just disappointed that nobody has even raised an eyebrow at the weirdness of some of my posts.

I'm not going to reveal.what it all means just yet, but the information I have gained can either clear or implicate someone.
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my name is coole catte: It does rather seem like you're painting a target on your back by bringing it up. Unless you've got scum right now it seems premature. But I'll wait and see where you're going with this.
I don't know for sure that I have, but I've certainly got enough to make a false claim very difficult.
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