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JoeSapphire: which I don't like because it passively suggests that the people who scumread pooka = mafia,

which I don't like because it passively suggests that the people who townread pooka = town,
No it doesn't. This implication is only there because you wrote it there and is a fallacy. And a false one.

I wrote why I Town-ready specifically you based on your behaviour.
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bjgamer: I do have a question -
@Joe, @nmillar: Why didn't you change your vote to GH once the discrepancies were revealed?
Somebody mentioned that it was such an outrageous claim, that it could be true so I wasn't entirely convinced, especially as he could have claimed "bulletproof" after I offered that one earlier on. Why claim something different, especially something so unusual?

Also, don't like to see people self lynch, so wasn't prepared to be the hammer.

I understand why the question is being asked, so would also be interested to hear Joe's response.
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ZFR: But Pooka's flip makes me Town-read Joe a bit more. He Town-read Pooka very early when he had no reason to since Pooka's "whom would you target?" actions could be interpreted as role fishing.
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dedoporno: Wasn't Joe's read based on the Joest reasoning possible (something Trent said to Pooka...)? Regardless, why Town-reading Pooka automatically gives Joe Town points? If he is scum he can make the best Town-reads all game and he'd be correct most of the time. I hope you're not giving Joe credit in the context of your own Town-lean on Pooka.
(This was meant for me, right? I fixed the quote number)

There is no "automatically" here. But yes, it does give Joe town-points.

We have a situation where player X makes a comment that could easily be, and was, interpreted by others as rolefishing/scummy. I could see a Mafia player more likely to wait and see how others react and try to (openly or not) to push for the lynch than to immediately Town-read them.

OK, I can see now how it might look like I'm pushing the interpretation "Those who Town-read Pooka re town, therefore I'm Town myself because I Town-read Pooka", but I'm not. I'm Town-reading specifically Joe. Not strongly, but I do. Everyone else make up their own minds.

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On a re-read I'm going to say my biggest suspet is Vitek. The quick jump on Gym, backing-off then hammering. Plus his interatction with catte toDay morning does seem off. dedo and nmillar come second.

I'll place a vote.

Vote Vitek
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bjgamer: Yesterday evening B was diagnosed with pneumonia. He has had it 8 times before and is very susceptible to it. They have verified it is not Covid and we will be taking care of him at home as our local hospitals are already at capacity.
I am quite sorry to hear that he is ill, and hope that he recovers extremely quickly. I am also glad it is not covid.
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my name is coole catte: What I thought of Pooka being the target? I don't have any specific theory, just a bunch of maybes. Simple low information pick might be the most likely reason.
I maybe wasn't clear enough but my question was something else. I asked if you have expected it, not what you make of it?
You pointed out how I said I am surprised by this NK so I wondered how you felt when you saw it? Did you think it makes sense at the moment, were you expecting it, were you the one who did it so you knew it will happen?
Not that what you make of it but what reaction you had to it.

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my name is coole catte: ...
Ever since, every game we've both played in, this has always been referenced in some way, and sometimes it isn't easy to tell if we're voting for each other for genuine reasons or because we've developed a rivalry over time.
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And that is reason why you would place your serious vote rather on Pooka than Catte? Why?
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Vitek: And that is reason why you would place your serious vote rather on Pooka than Catte? Why?
For the exact reason I've already stated. Voting Catte felt like I was being influenced by previous games, whereas Pooka was entirely this game, without any other influences, so it made the most sense in my mind.

Given the odd postings from both in this game day, I'm starting to think that Joe and Vitek may be the most likely scum team, though Catte doesn't get a free pass just yet.
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nmillar: For the exact reason I've already stated. Voting Catte felt like I was being influenced by previous games, whereas Pooka was entirely this game, without any other influences, so it made the most sense in my mind.
That's quite weird and very weak reasoning.
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nmillar: For the exact reason I've already stated. Voting Catte felt like I was being influenced by previous games, whereas Pooka was entirely this game, without any other influences, so it made the most sense in my mind.
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Vitek: That's quite weird and very weak reasoning.
I fail to see how? I had two options, so I went with the one that was based on this game rather than previous games?
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nmillar: I fail to see how? I had two options, so I went with the one that was based on this game rather than previous games?
I am misunderstanding you then. Your serious vote would be based on previous games experiences with catte? I thought you suspected him for real.
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nmillar: I fail to see how? I had two options, so I went with the one that was based on this game rather than previous games?
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Vitek: I am misunderstanding you then. Your serious vote would be based on previous games experiences with catte? I thought you suspected him for real.
Yes, correct. I was suspicious of Catte and Pooka, but felt the suspicion of Catte was from previous game experience, so i kept my vote with Pooka.
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my name is coole catte: What I thought of Pooka being the target? I don't have any specific theory, just a bunch of maybes. Simple low information pick might be the most likely reason.
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Vitek: I maybe wasn't clear enough but my question was something else. I asked if you have expected it, not what you make of it?
You pointed out how I said I am surprised by this NK so I wondered how you felt when you saw it? Did you think it makes sense at the moment, were you expecting it, were you the one who did it so you knew it will happen?
Not that what you make of it but what reaction you had to it.
I didn't particularly expect it, but I guess I didn't find it as overtly shocking as you apparently did. I don't make a habit of trying to predict the NK though.

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Vitek: I am misunderstanding you then. Your serious vote would be based on previous games experiences with catte? I thought you suspected him for real.
Oh you guys, my ears are burning.


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nmillar: Yes, correct. I was suspicious of Catte and Pooka, but felt the suspicion of Catte was from previous game experience, so i kept my vote with Pooka.
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my name is coole catte: Oh you guys, my ears are burning.
But it took you four hours to put out the fire?
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nmillar: But it took you four hours to put out the fire?
It took me four hours to come and post about it. I busy sorting through the wreckage of my house!
*WAS
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ZFR: and is a fallacy. And a false one.
I know that, that's why I don't like it and why I was asking you about it.

You didn't state the suggestion, but you put the two statements side by side in one paragraph under a single heading. If you weren't intending to invite comparison you did it wrong.

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bjgamer: I do have a question -
@Joe, @nmillar: Why didn't you change your vote to GH once the discrepancies were revealed?
There was still something around 15 hours of day left, and it was clear there were wnough people interested in his lunch.

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bjgamer: I do have a question -
@Joe, @nmillar: Why didn't you change your vote to GH once the discrepancies were revealed?
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my name is coole catte: Good question. I'll wait for their answers before giving any thoughts.
Is it? Gym flipped town. I can understand why it would be interesting if it was a mafia flip.
OH wait I get it because mafia might want to keep their hands clean, as it were?

Well, why I didn't drop everything I was doing and start rejoicing that we'd caught mafia when Gym started contradicting himself and assuming false information is that Gym tends to get things confused time to time and though it did look possibly like a scum slip I was aware it could be what it turned out to be.
And I didn't want to take my attention away from nmillar.


ZFR and nmillar I'm most interested by at the moment. They're both voting for the Vitek. It probably means they're not on the same team... not knowingly on the same team...


I'm going to

Vote ZFR

by tricking him into shooting his own beak off with a shotgun

He seemed towny yesterday but not unfakably, and I think, whether intentional or not, he started this day with a LOTIST (Look Over There I'm So Town) statement and, when I queried it, twice turned it on me like I had no business finding problem with it.

I feel a bit like I'm talking to myself about this and no-one else is interested. Am I just gibbering nonsense?


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Get well soon B
Hope the move goes well Dedo